colin

you are just way out of touch bill. no one is talking about the bills paying any corner 15 bucks a year, this is a discussion about the relative value of secondary vs interior line. to the other poster above me -- yeah a close to/hall of fame c is better than a slightly above average corner, sure. the difference is that a good young cb, not even the best, is worth much more than a very good C. the least talented o line position is C, it always has been. many Cs cannot play any other position on the line. every single team shows you that the C is a low pick kind of position, and doesn't warrent big contracts. every single team also pays and bids huge for good corners and drafts them high. is it so hard for you to understand that corners are more valuable than centers?

pettigrew (assuming he has a pretty good pro day) is rated top 10 in terms of talent by several guys. if he's a top 5 te in the nfl he is totally worth the 11th.

on a per man basis the defensive secondary and particularly corners are more important than the oline. while lt requires a rare kind of athlete, a slight deficit in lt play will cause some trouble (like gandy, or even the not so great lt on pitts) for the o. a slight deficit in corner play will result in break away touchdowns. there's a reason why no on will pay that much for even the best C, but will pay it for even just good but not great corners (near pro bowl/pro bowl corners get 10 a year, good ones get 6-9). that's the way it is bill, all nfl gms are big on spending high picks on secondary, that's how it's done.

i'd give him the ball, maybe roll him out for a few screens as well.

that's just insane and ignorant. you realize every single coach, front office, and gm in the nfl constantly says that they totally disagree with you based on the draft picks they use and the money they spend on contracts, right? small changes in center ability might result is slightly worse execution of things like shotgun snaps, or the odd wrong line call. slight changed in corner back ability can result in 6 points from anywhere on the field. it's just not close, everyone with a log in id to this board should know this.

jesus bill, you think a center is worth as much as the best corner in the nfl? the contract might be too big, but you fundamentally don't understand how important the defensive secondary is in the nfl. the final four teams in the nfl last year all dumped big money and draft picks into their secondary and only one had a highly drafted and paid o line. gandy, who you and others insisted would ruin our entire o, was the starting lt for the best team in the nfl. stop the chubby chasing and secondary hate.

gandy had a hard job and kinda sucked, but both pitt and zona have way under top level LTs and managed to get to the bowl. in fact, if edge had one less bad drive, or if the secondary (of course bill in nyc will insist without a HOF lt you can't win, and that the secondary does nothing) played a bit better on the last drive for zona they would have walked away a winner. the chubby chasing has gotten just too crazy here.

we get garbage canadian commercials here in effing canada. communist bull sht laws

knee was down!!

i think a lot of this game will come down to pittz not being able to protect big ben, and pittz having no way of covering the zona wrs. for all the chubby chasing on this board fluffing peters while lets yet another sacker by, playmaker are the ones who score.

i'd like that if there is a guy we want there, but i think that is worth more than just 1 2nd

ill take him. big play slash role

nah, i think he could play in most any system.

i think the peters fans just assume that if we pay him he will play as hard as he can every play and not get hurt. it didn't work that way with sf and jonas jennings, and i don't think it will work that way w us and peters. i say we get that lt out of carolina for about what peters would want, and ship him off for some picks. tag and trade greer to clevland for winslow, and we will either be able to drop some cash on a DE, or just get one in the draft (along w a sick playmaker in the front 7, dt or lb) and draft a kick ass c as well.

he looked pretty effing good in the coverage of the bowl practices i've seen. monster against the run and rushing the passer. i bet he could drop 10 15 pounds and be decent in coverage too. agree w the polimaulu comparison -- dude goes full speed all the time and imo has big plays in him. him, poz, and crow, w mitchell competing (maybe beating out poz?) would really be a sick lb core. throw in a new DE in FA and we'll be top 5 or 10 on d with some turnovers and such.

some people think he is too slow or whatevs, but that lb from usc mauluga is sick, i'd be happy w him.

i think he's close but not there. if he wins the sb, and has 2 more 4k+ years, he is in.

the way willis had his arms all twisted up makes me think he might be really badly hurt

willis got blasted!!

you really shouldn't have posted this. don't you know the drums that are currently being banged here? 34 is better than 43 in all cases. we have no DEs and every DE in the nfl besides ours gets pressure every play, and it doesn't matter who you have at WR or in the secondary, all that matters is the line! 34 and a good coach will win every single game 100% of the time. and jp just needs one more chance!! it's the system!

the bucs were 9-3 and manged to lose out and not make the playoffs, including dropping the last game of the season against the raiders!! i'm not huge on dicky, but it's not like you can just stick another coach in and know he will instantly be better.

wow!!

if we add back crow and another play maker or two to the front 7 (maybe forcing poz to compete and possibly sit) then mitch might be an even better player for us. he was very good at times, but not great too much of the time. as a unit our dline isn't good at pass rushing, is good against the run, and our lb's kinda stink

i dunno, i think greggggg is still a good dc. wade will be a good dc if they fire him too.

iggles all the way.