BadLandsMeanie

It seemed to me that they addressed good and bad points. It isn't some kind of expose' though.

I think giving 6 or 8 hundred million dollars to the Buffalo area makes up for a lot of lost football games. And not selling out the city to get an enormous amount of extra money like The Chargers, Browns, Raiders, Rams, and I forget who all else did. makes up for a lot of lost football games. And working the lease so it bound the team to us even after he was dead, makes up for a lot of lost football games. Plus you can't reasonably blame Ralph Wilson for the games we have lost after he was dead. Those are my thoughts. This is one of those post I have at long last, learned not to make! Even though I wanna. So, no comment.

I will say this vague maybe and I won't "clarify" what I mean or elaborate on it in the unlikely event somebody asks. I think they were looking ahead to a Premiere game of Steelers Patriots in a period of ratings decline. It is an important game. Also I think Roger Goodell needed Kraft's support to get his 50 million dollars per year contract including a free jet for life (of all things) because Jerry Jones was fighting it tooth and nail. Focus on those two things influenced their decision. That decision is to me, very clear evidence that NFL leadership has a near total lack of vision for the longer term future, bordering on idiocy. It is unlikely it will be forgotten because this was Buffalo. Here is why I think that. We have a culture and national history that we share to differing degrees. That is the larger context in which that event occurred. It is bigger than the football game. The image of Rob Gronkowski's jumping on Tre White pulls for that. For some or a lot of us, it is literally impossible not to have it call to mind things from our history and shared culture. We can then dismiss it as not relating to culture or history. But it was a reminder, and it matters a lot how it looked. It matters as much or more how it looked than whatever process they use to treat everything else, in this case the rule book, the ratings and a fat contract coming up. In my opinion what they had to do was manage the appearance it created. It is a big deal and they had to. But they didn't. So now for a good percentage of us, there is no other reasonable way to see what has happened here except in the context of our culture. They had to avoid that at all costs and they didn't. That's what I think. I think everybody including Rob Gronkowski would have been much better off if they threw the book at him. Now instead he will be the guy who got off easy out there on the football field game after game.. And the League will be the guys who let him off. We will see what comes of having made that impression. Even though as I say, I do think the Steelers Pats game has a big part as does Kraft and Goodell and all that. But that isn't how it looks when you just look at the pictures and look at what was done.

I went to the screening of this at WNED a couple weeks ago. It's a good show

Is it snowing in Miami this Sunday? Will December games be warmer in Toronto? I would pay 15 dollars to go sit in the sunshine and watch a lousy game too.

This is the best summary of the reasoning on this that I have seen. Glad I asked Thanks.

Dude, we fans don't play the games. It's ok if we give up.

For free would be taking advantage. But I will take them for ten bucks each. You can pay me by check or paypal. :rimshot:

They shouldn't have needed a special rule. This is getting sad. They have to make a special rule, so they will be sure to know to do, what every impartial person knew they should do ahead of time. Anybody here who thinks they will not make a mess of this, and enforce whatever new rules as stupidly as they enforce the old, raise your hand. They should have known to give Gronkowski at least a 2 game suspension, especially if they are handing out 1 game suspensions to people who did lesser offenses. That was obvious. The problem is about people in decision making positions who make poor decisions that appear to be either the result of corruption or stupidity. A new rule won't fix that.

"Real football" is played in places like Pittsburgh and Green Bay

LOL thanks for the translation sir!

I think a lot of us are torqued he didn't get more. We don't matter though. Just the same, I believe it was a very bad mistake. A very bad one. And I think it will come back to haunt the league actually. It just wont be because of us fans or the the team or anything. What they did doesn't look good in ways they do not yet understand (he says mysteriously)

I noticed that yesterday. During Eric Wood's segment it seemed like the ad break lasted almost ten minutes.

Ok, Peterman did make some bad decisions. But I disagree about the timing, I think. For me as soon as the team was out of the playoff picture to a 97% certainty, I would have Peterman in there for on the job training, this year. I think he needs the training and we also could use it to evaluate how the other players are in that style of offense. There were some dropped balls in the west coast style pass attempts. Will that continue with some of these guys? They don't have to catch many of those with Tyrod in. Can the line function when the offense moves that fast? What is to be gained when we are out of it, by continuing on with an offensive style that we do not intend to continue? On another point you raised of Zero Tolerance, do you think a one game suspension is appropriate? I don't. I think if the league wants the players to let them handle the discipline, rather than responding with brawls, then the players have to trust that the authorities will give firm consequences. I don't think the authorities did.

Oh I misread your text. Ok. Well, we scored 3 points. Threw for 60 -ish yards with Tyrod in there I think. So he can't be all that clearly better. Except in the Chargers game he sure was. So overall yeah I agree but there hasn't been all that much game time to compare them on.

Boy I tell ya. I don't see your guys viewpoint at all. We got a guy who has played 3/4 of a game who is as you say, nearly as effective as Taylor has been. My jury is still WAY out on him. I think his style is risky for sure. All the quick passes in traffic. Probably not going to go so well at first.

Yes. Home opener against the Jets his last year. Jets lost. Jets player later said.... "We could not math their intensity". I'm still waiting for any team since to come anywhere remotely near that.

Gee. I wouldn't have guessed there were so many passive Bills fans. You would rather send the Pats a level headed message encouraging them to be more observant of the rules of the game and civilized society, along with an Edible Arrangement shaped like your backside as peace offering. The we can "move forward" and not dwell upon the past? I think I get you bunch. I don't agree though. I'm more like Jimbo I guess, but that is what having both testicles descended will do to a person. It makes you ornery when your group is attacked and you seek to retaliate and defend. But Ill be quiet like you want Jim to be.

I don't think it excuses all else. The Pats are an example of that. It answers the question of why would people listen to a leader of the only team to go to the Superbowl 4 times in a row. A team that was known for their resilience. Guys who are still friends to this day. So when he mentions something about how a team should act to be a team, it makes perfect sense to consider his opinion. It does not make any sense to say, what does he know?

I figure it is on account of he played good.

He is right. Who will speak for us if he doesn't?

His "apology" is to me, exactly like this. Officers, I am sorry that I punched my wife in the face. I hope she is ok when she gets out of the hospital. My work day was stressful. And then she burned dinner when she went to tend the baby and forgot it on the stove. I had to go buy something for us to eat. And she is always nagging me about something. I don't know what I am supposed to do. She just won't behave. But I was wrong to hit her so hard. I know better than that.

If the right people are on their toes, this will turn out very badly for the NFL front office. Very bad optics here. Another example of almost unbelievable stupidity on the part of the NFL and failure to understand street level perceptions. I can't bring myself to start it, but unless I am the stupid one, and not the NFL, someone will take this decision and push their noses into it. It can become a bad headache for them indeed. I'm gonna wait and see!

I am just a civilian so I have no special knowledge of the law. But I think how it could work would be like this: Sherriff BadLandsMeanie gets a judge to issue a bench warrant for Gronkowski for simple assault. I don't need to notify "Gronk" of that so far as I know. Next Season the Pats plane lands at Buffalo International Airport the day before the game. My Deputies greet the team and take Gronk into custody pending arraignment. And the fun ensues! They would get him out before the game probably. But it would be a laugh riot until they did. Fans could dress in orange at that game and have signs saying "Orange is the new Gronk"

I think people are bringing up criminal charges because so far, nobody else is doing anything about it. Call it what you will, but literally nothing was done about it. "Offsetting penalties" canceled everything out. Poyer pushed a Pat (sound like a Dr Suess line) so that cancelled out the penalty for attacking a prone player from behind. And the Hughes mouthed off to an official, so that penalty was enforced. If these are the rules, they are idiotic. No other excuse for it. So, people want some justice. Here are the options. A) Patriots bench him for a few games (What I would do if I was the coach, but it won't happen) B) League suspends him for enough games to make it seem fair. C) Bills take him out themselves next game. D) Fans handle it in some very bad way. E) Law enforcement handles it F) Nothing happens The only two sensible outcomes are A or B, where the people with the responsibility, behave responsibly. If they do not, they are inviting one of the less civilized approaches. Since people have no confidence that A or B will happen, the next most responsible approach is E, law enforcement. It isn't a stupid idea. It is the next best responsible approach left to citizens if the ones with authority chicken out from their responsibilities.