[Hate to say this … but the Pats are effing good]

Waking up to "The Patriots officially have the best record in the NFL"

 

[Can everyone just take a freakin breath?]

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

13 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

If the team was still responsive and in tune with their coach, we wouldn't have seen them look like that. You cant get be this good, playing someone that bad, get blown out, look disinterested, and tell me the players still believe in their coaches. Especially when its not the first or even second time this year... and thats just counting losses... weve won games that look like that this year too

 

It has plagued us for at least the last 3 years. Far too many times, even after wins, I hear "maybe this is the game that wakes up the team" or "maybe McD will use this to light a fire under them"... never happens. 

 

Our staff is so concerned with "playing it cool", never getting too high or too low, that we just stay at 0 and mediocre. I'd rather get the guys amped up to 50 and saddle the coach with the responsibility to not let them swing back too low.

 

There have been some games we actually looked fired up for, but it is too far and few between. Most of the time it looks like we're just going through the motions.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Of course not! 

 

I think the difference between us is that I have faith in this regime to win a Super Bowl or more than just one.

 

 

 

Based on what?

[Brian Kelly OUT at LSU]

15 hours ago, Cynical said:

🤣🤣

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46924174/brian-kelly-lawsuit-says-lsu-claims-not-formally-terminated-coach-now-seeking-fire-cause-avoid-buyout

 

"In a legal filing against LSU's board of supervisors, Brian Kelly's attorneys say LSU has taken the position that it has not "formally terminated" Kelly as the Tigers' football coach.

The school, according to the petition for declaratory judgment, is now seeking to fire Kelly "for cause" and potentially avoid paying a full buyout of nearly $54 million. The filing claims that LSU informed Kelly's representatives of this position Monday."

 

 

 

Billy Napier, come on down.

There is a spot for you at the LSU.

 

Kelly should show up on Saturday and coach the game then. Just to stick it to them. 😆 Even better if he wins.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Saleh would also be one of the few guys where I don't think we have to totally rebuild on defense. That combination would be nasty. 

 

But totally rebuilding on defense is one of the selling points on a change. Time to move away from the scheme and the type of players it demands. There will be enough that can stick around and transition to the new defense, but an overhaul is part of what I'm after.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

Serious question: If we clean house in the FO but then hire Terrance Grey as our new GM do we get the comp pick since our minority staff member got a GM job?

 

Think I just found a way to game the system!

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

3 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

There is a ton of speculation that Beane doesn't really, truly run our drafts, and McD basically selects our picks. It was also rumored that Terry wanted Mahomes in 2017 and McD overuled him, so I personally believe this to some extent, seeing is how we draft heavy on defense and pretty much ignore offense in the early rounds. Then there's the speculation that they ask Josh for his input on FAs and draft prospects, so I am very confused to who really is running this team?

 Is it Sean, Brandon, Terry or Josh. I doubt  its Josh, so that leaves the other three. 

 

 

 

 

Beane runs these drafts. They are well documented on film during the draft and there is plenty of footage of Beane making/adjusting/remaking decisions in real time. This isnt a mystery or conspiracy theory. Every draft since 2018, Beane was in control of. McD isnt even in the room usually.

 

That said, every GM, all 32 of them (ok maybe not Jerry) gets input from the HC and coaches about what they are looking for in players for their schemes and how they want to play. McD's Defense needs light LBs who can cover, so that's what we get. But he isnt telling Beane "choose Terrel Bernard from Baylor". There is sooo much work and scouting that goes into putting a draft board together, most/all coaches simply dont have the time to contribute that much. You can also see this live in real time in the Giants Offseason Hard Knocks.

 

As for 2017, that was McD drafting based off Whaley's scouting department. McD (and Terry) knew they were about to change GMs and McD wasnt going to saddle the new GM with someone else's QB pick. Especially with the way the 2018 QB class was being hyped at the time. And especially suing Whaley's QB info. Less to do with the specific players and FO roles, more to do with timing. If Terry had been able to clean house right away and get Beane hired in January, we very well may have picked Mahomes.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

4 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

I go to the games.  I buy my season tickets.  But it's more out of reflex at this point.  I don't blindly cheer for them anymore, almost 40 years in the NFL meat grinder has worn me down.  They win, that's great - high fives.  Lose, oh well.  Always next decade.  The athletes here today will be the enemy tomorrow (Diggs, Hollins) - it all seems trite at times.

 

I do like talking about what the coaching staff we're stuck with FOREVER can do to eek out a few more wins this season.  But that isn't what we're talking about here.

 

There's a thread here for everyone, or you can start your own. Not required to post in the ones you dont like. Good luck!

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

 

 

5 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Well imo we will be wasting another one of Josh's prime years running it back with these two.

 

We've seen everything there is to see. I have zero confidence that they will pick a great wr in the draft, and we know they damm well can't afford a top flight FA WR, so we will get another Keon Coleman prototype for WR and then the will draft defense with the next 3 picks, circling back to offense in the 5th round. 

 

I dontvwant to play this game into Josh's 30s. If we do, we may be having conversations about who we can draft to replace Josh

 

Agreed 100% and Ive never said otherwise

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

This is not true. 

When I say that Whaley wanted McDermott and pounded the table for him, it is not idle speculation or reading tea leaves.

I was given first hand information that was who Doug was fighting for, prior to the hire.

 

Ok, but Terry was given his name from the consulting firm. If he was Whaley's favorite out of what they provided, great. Didnt mean much because Terry was ready to move on anyways.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

6 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

So you're all torqued up for Lane Kiffin (which I do like, but he'll remain a college coach), but you also admit that change will not happen until Josh is at least 32 years old.  Why put yourself thru all that wasted energy? 

 

This team is just a billionaire's fun time hobby.  

 

Shut down the board then. Whats the point to any of this?

 

Dont bother watching the games either, following your logic.

 

We're fans, it's a hobby. And it's a discussion board. How about contributing a real opinion other than "none of this matters, man"? 

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

2 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

This is pointless to discuss this season because:

 

- Neither will be fired this offseason barring something crazy happening

- Any candidate you like this year will likely be coaching elsewhere or remain in their role for now, meaning they would likely not be options even a year from now.

 

i understand the sentiment, but this is not going to be the year we blow up the coaching staff or GM/scouts.

 

I dont disagree and think McBeane will be here at least through the opening of the new stadium.

 

That said... these types of posts kinda annoy me. EVERYTHING we do and discuss here is pointless. The discussion on the board carries zero weight in real life and will never result in anything happening on anything. The point is to have a place of discussion so folks can exchange ideas and opinions.

 

The fact that Kirby just turned me on to the idea of Lane Kiffin accomplished about as much as can be expected here, and I appreciate it for what it is.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

To answer the question in the title...

 

My top choices all got hired over the last couple of years. They were, in order:

 

1. Vrabel

2. Payton

3. Harbaugh

 

With them out, I dont have a top candidate I'm hot and heavy on. That said, I'd lean towards Klint Kubiak.

 

I also like @Kirby Jackson's idea of Lane Kiffin. Big Lane fan here and agree he would bring what we're missing with McD.

[Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?]

Just now, Low Positive said:

I have no ideas about GMs except for someone from Philly or KC. As for HC, I like Klint Kubiac. He's getting a lot out of not too much in Seattle. But Pegula will probably hire Gruden. Remember, the only NFL coach that Terry hired on his own was Rex. 

 

Just now, jaybeezee said:

Who hired McD?

 

Just now, Simon said:

 

Doug Whaley

 

For Rex, Terry was a brand new owner and relied on Russ and Doug, and while Whaley needed to be convinced he ultimately came around on Rex.

 

After that, Terry used an outside consulting firm and they are the ones who helped him identify McDermott. Whaley was barely involved as he was on the hot seat and on his way out as well.

 

So the only HC that Terry has hired himself has been McD.

 

I'll also point out that in Novemeber of 2016, no one in Bills Country was talking about Sean McDermott or likely even knew his name. So when you see folks present the "well give me the name of who is going to be better" argument, it doesnt really stand and it doesnt really matter. We all knew a change was needed, just like we all know a change is needed now. The pros will figure it out. Or not.

 

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I don't disagree. Beane tends to pick more high floor, lower ceiling players than those teams who aim for the blue chip, boom or bust type players more. Although I think Kincaid, Hairston, Bishop and Walker have the potential to be those players in time and Cook has turned into one.

 

Cook has been the closest thing to a KC/Philly pick that Beane has made. From a premier school, coming off a National Championship, family pedigree, known name who jumps off the screen... Very unlike most of his picks. And hey, look, he's turned into the 2nd best player on the entire team just behind the league MVP. Crazy how that works!

 

Probably why Philly had dedicated big portions of their drafts to that UGA class as well.

 

Whether it's Beane drafting, McD coaching, even Brady scheming... we try to be way too cute at every level, like we're going to catch lightning in a bottle again the way we did with Josh and show everyone how much smarter we are. When in reality, just by the numbers, the odds are stacked against every pick succeeding as it is.

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

You could say that about a lot of teams.

 

Sure. A lot of teams that arent perennial Super Bowl contenders. But we're supposed to be in the tier with the KCs and Phillys who always seem to find the star "pure football" players. They just have a better eye for it than we do.

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

14 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I also remember Brane neglecting the WR position when we drafted Cody Ford over DK Metcalfe as well. How'd that work for us.

 

Imagine DK and Stef on our team during those years! I know its all retrospect,  but just one of too many flubbs by Beane for my taste!

 

For as great as they did in the 2018 draft, the botched the 2019 draft as badly.

 

1. Ed Oliver over Justin Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter Lawrence, or even Brian Burns

2. Cody Ford over Metcalf or AJ Brown

3. Singletary over Terry McLaurin

 

What could have been...

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

That’s who I thought they were targeting (BTJ).

 

I was pretty surprised to see it was Waddle.

 

I'm guessing that was dictated by Miami being a team who is selling and Jacksonville was actually acquiring WRs at the deadline. Jags havent given up on the season like Miami. Otherwise, we'd be in on BTJ.

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

32 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

True.  So you take the better football player, the one with the best chance of helping, that was/is McConkey.    

 

The move wasnt to take McConky. It was either trade whatever you need to in order to move UP and draft BTJ, or stay put and draft Worthy who at least gives you a downfield threat.

 

If you really wanted to take BPA and best true football player at #33 overall, that would have been Cooper DeJean.

 

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or you go up for one of the guys that really solves your problem - BTJ for example.

 

Yep

 

And while BTJ has shown to have his own "effort issues" he at least has the talent and ability to make up for the bad attitude. Plus, I dont think we see those issues in a different situation outside of Jax. jmo

 

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Did you actually read those sources?  My point has been that Allen did not push Bean to draft Coleman.  At most Allen approved of the decision and then welcomed Coleman to the Bills.  There is nothing in those sources indicating anything more then this.  

 

From what I can tell, Beane and staff narrowed it down to the few WRs they liked first and foremost, and then casually asked Allen for any input on who he may like or prefer.

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

36 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

maybe its just me but I didn't get the sense that anyone said coleman isn't trying.  I am not even sure where this is coming from other than him being the fan whipping boy at the moment.

 

I mean, there are plenty of posts all over the socials showing him half-assing it down the field. So it's pretty much undeniable.

 

Then McD didnt stick up for him at all, and instead said it's "fair to ask". That is about as under-the-bus as it gets with McD.

 

Josh's dead pan response of "he got one", paired with all the film of Josh not even looking his way when he was in single man coverage is about as bad as it gets out of our QB as well.

[Do you think the Chiefs would beat the Patriots as a 7th seed?]

 

If the Pats beat the Chiefs in the playoffs this year, I'm dropping a zubaz colored toaster in my bathtub.

[Do you think the Chiefs would beat the Patriots as a 7th seed?]

11 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We are going to have to root for the Pats to beat KC in the AFC Championship so they don't go 4 times in a row

 

Why? Let them have the title. Holding on to "4 Times SB Losers" is not a flex. Good riddance.

 

 

[I think its over guys.]

10 minutes ago, CirclnWagons said:

Just finished listening to the OBL Monday recap. I understand that Chris and Steve don’t speak directly for the organization but I think they have a pretty good pulse on the situation and hearing them go on for 10 mins about how fans should feel lucky that the team has made the playoffs for the past few seasons pretty sums up the suspicions I had about the entire organization. “Playoff caliber” mindset is resulting in being completely content getting that one or two post season opportunities and packing it in. I must admit, after the drought, I too was so happy just getting the opportunity to play in the post season that I overlooked several glaring issues with the program. Now, we’re simply waisting a once in a generation under center while Beane waxes poetic about not “mortgaging our future.” If a playoff berth is good enough, why play the game? 

 

It was very concerning and a huge red flag for me when I saw some clips from the Field House earlier this year and they still had "Playoff Caliber" painted everywhere. I was surprised and disappointed they hadnt made the move to "Championship Caliber".

 

Gotta keep striving to move forward, raise the levels. What worked to get us this far wont work to get us to the next step.

 

But no. Same ol, same ol.

 

And now "Playoff Caliber" is even at risk.

21 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

How about Oliver?

 

His cap hit this year is $11M. For his production when healthy, he's worth that. He produces far more than anyone else I named in the previous post.

 

But we could definitely add Milano to that list.

 

Now next year, when Ed's number jumps to $24M, different story...