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On 5/7/2025 at 1:53 PM, BillsShredder83 said:
Cod was the best return man I can remember since McGhee? Seems like it. Thought he was a top 5-10 returner in league last year. Is Shenault in that realm, cause I cant picture it. Hed have to blow the doors off Cod in TC to win that job id imagine, cause if its close you bring back the familiar guy who played well. Am I missing on something?
Yea I thought he was solid too but then they also benched him pretty much when the weather got messy -
I think this room is more straightforward than people think. You don’t invest the kind of capital the Bills put into DB just to keep the same guys.
CBs: Benford, Hairston, Johnson, White, Strong
S: Rapp, Bishop, Hancock
These guys to me are locks pending injury. I think with the adds Dane Jackson is toast because he doesn’t provide STs. I think Ingram or Lewis is out depending on who is better at teams.
The questions I have is who gets the last spot at Safety with Forrest /Hamlin. Will they keep Codrington or keep Shenault. Is either Lewis or Ingram valuable enough to keep on the 53 for Special teams only
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4 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
How did Taron Johnson lose his job? Van Denmark can certainly be a trade candidate.
Good call just passed my brain, added him in and took Shavers out -
QB- Allen, Trubisky
RB: Cook, Davis, Johnson
FB: Gilliam
WR: Shakir, Coleman, Palmer, Samuel, Moore
TE: Kincaid, Knox, Hawes
OL: Dawkins, Edwards, McGovern, Torrence, Brown, Anderson, Grable, SVP, Lundt
Defense
DE: Rousseau, Bosa, Solomon, Epenesa, Jackson
DT: Jones,Walker, Oliver, Sanders, Carter
LB: Milano, Bernard, Williams, Ulofoshio, Andreessen, Spector
CB: Benford, Hairston, White, Strong, Ingram , Johnson
S: Rapp, Bishop, Hancock, Forrest
K: Bass
P: Camarda
LS: Ferguson
PR: Shenault
Suspended: Ogunjobi, Hoecht
Trade Candidates: RVD, Epenesa, Jackson/Lewis, Codrington
This is how I see it early on. Biggest battles are Lundt vs RVD, Shenault vs Codrington,
Hamlin vs Forrest vs Ingram. I think this one really comes down to where they see Hancock initially. If they list him as a Nickle then Ingram is probably gone and they keep both Forrest and Hamlin. If Hancock is a safety, Ingram stays and Forrest / Hamlin are battling .
I have both Shavers and Shenault making it but both would be at risk when Ogunjobi/Hoecht returns
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1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:
Funny, but didn’t Moore visit before Beane went on White’s show?
Visits don’t just get set up last second. Flights have to be booked unless the Pegula jet got him. I’m sure after the draft, Beane called to set up the visit on Saturday but he’s not going to let the cat out of the bag in a 8:30 radio segment on who’s visiting especially to two guys who took him to task-
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34 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:
So beat them all out and there wont be a problem, won't hurt him if he's good enough. Any one of these WR's other than Shakircan win those outside WR spots imo, time to earn it.
Well it’s more than just that I get your what you’re saying though. They’re not going to not play Coleman as he’s a high draft pick and Samuel is going to be on the roster because his contract will dictate that. They paid Palmer solid # 3 money so Shavers opportunity is Moore and maybeeee Samuel -
The Bills play positionless at WR. When are people going to realize this. Guys aren’t Xs and Zs and Fs. They move guys around based on the packages they want to play.
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Well the guy this hurts the most is Shavers. Guy went from # 5 WR and STs ace to hoping that the Bills decide to keep 6 WRs for his ST ability
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11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Samuel was solid in the playoffs, but IMO he’s not a lock
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13 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
If Rasul Douglas or Cooper signs, they may get us back to zero.
Nope, anyone signed after the draft, no longer counts towards the formula unless apparently you use this seldom used tagThe Bills will not get a comp pick unless Palmer and Hoecht do nothing for the Bills next year which we all hope doesn’t happen
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I think the general idea is he can save the Bills roster spots down the road. He can be TE3, FB(Gilliam), Andersons jumbo package role, and Special teams. If he can do all that and be cheap, that’s good cost effectiveness down the line
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I think the Falcons organization should be docked a pick as well next year. Maybe a 6th rounder
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23 hours ago, 947 said:
I was not happy when Beane traded both 2nd rounders to move up. But then when you realize we would've taken Landon Jackson with one of those 2nd rounders anyway, it worked out perfectly.
The one thing I have noticed from Beane over the years is he is very determined to have a pick in every round. I knew somehow we’d end up with one.That trade clearly indicates how badly the Bills wanted TJ Sanders but they didn’t want him badly enough at the expense of both 2nd rounders without getting back that 3rd and 7th.
I do believe that Beane was telling the truth about Jackson being the 62nd pick if they still had it but I am curious who they would have taken at 72 if he was off the board
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5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:
I really appreciate your input here - especially with @GunnerBill involved, I think this could lead to some really interesting discussion, given that you both build out draft boards each year.
Who else did you have available at TE, NB, CB, and OT that fits the Bills’ needs and could have been taken instead of Hawes, Hancock, Strong, and Lundt?
That should help illustrate the decision-making at each spot, particularly when compared to the idea of trading up for someone like Lambert-Smith or Horton.
Im not at my computer but for the Bills specifically I would have had Hawes, Fidone, and Bartholemew at TE, Hancock and Longerbeam were there at NB, CB I would have to look , and I didn’t expect them to take a tackle so I was surprised when they went there.
I will say though by the time Lundt went I was vouching for Tommy Mellott at WR so most of the play now WRs were already gone. To me they would have had to of taken one with the Hancock/Hawes pick and it wouldn’t have happened with Hancock because the Bills scouts , according to Beane, were pretty unanimous when it came to the Hancock selection.
Really you have look at which WRs were left at the Hawes pick to determine was he more valuable than taking a developmental #5 WR who may play or be inactive
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10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
All of this kind of proves my point though, it comes down to what you prioritise. Would a developmental receiver, likely our WR5 in 2025, play fewer snaps as a rookie than Hancock if he wins that job off Cam Lewis and a TE3 who is a blocker? Yep. But is that what we are prioritising? Which guy has the easiest path to snaps in 2025? Why are we not looking at these rookies as potential four year investments? I'm really only talking about the trade up guys - Horton and Lambert - developmental speed receiver who can play outside and the Bills had for a 30 visit. To get either of them the trade up would have meant giving up one of the 5ths (either Hancock or Hawes) and Lundt to trade up. One way of looking at it is your way and saying who plays most snaps in 2025? My approach might be more if all six guys we are talking about here: Hancock, Hawes, Lundt, Strong, Horton and Lambert are starting level players by the end of their rookie contracts which ones cost the money to pay? It's the receivers, then Strong and Lundt (if he stays at tackle). So if I have a chance to take a shot on getting one of those at a discount rate who makes the most sense to get - it's the receivers.
Add to that - how much better are the Bills if Hancock is 25% better as a DIME and DB utility piece than Cam? How much better are they if Hawes is on the field instead of Anderson? Whereas how much better are they if a Horton or Lambert does outplay expectations and by their second year are a legit piece of the offense? I think unquestionably the last of those makes the biggest % difference in the Bills as a team.
I like Lundt and Strong and while I watched less of Hancock and very little of Hawes I understand the fit for them. In isolation they all make sense. It is the opportunity cost that makes less sense to me when you pass on a developmental guy who could potentially in future years be a receiver that makes plays for you.
I think Beane takes the wrong message from Khalil Shakir. It shouldn't be "great he hit I don't need to worry about shooting for developmental receivers much for the next few years." It should, in my opinion, be "great, day 3 is a place where you find less well rounded receivers but guys with specific skillsets that you can then fuse together and make work with Josh Allen."
I don’t think you can look at it in that isolation solely how much better is Hancock over Lewis. I think we need to look at the secondary in general with Hairston over Douglas, White over Elam, Hancock over Lewis, and Strong over Ingram/Jackson. I think you could argue there is a significance in all of that5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:Thanks for the thoughtful response. I’d still be interested in your perspective on the gap between Kaden Prather and the group below - that feels like an important piece of the opportunity cost discussion that wasn’t fully addressed.
KeAndre Lambert-Smith
Tory Horton
LaJohntay Webster
Jimmy Horn
Tommy Mellott
Tez Johnson
Ricky White
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that comparison.
I think with the last 5 guys on that list you could argue there isn’t a difference at all. I think there is a gap between the top 2 and Prather but not as big as people perceived before the process
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It’s pretty straightforward, he has to beat out RVD. If it’s close I think they will keep Lundt over RVD for a couple reasons. Lundt will be on his rookie deal for 4 years while RVD is under control for two but year 2 is as a RFA which is starting to get pricey for a # 4 tackle.
I think if Lundt beats him out they’ll try to move RVD for a late pick as he might have cheap value as a swing tackle for a more OL needy football team. If he doesn’t Lundt goes PS year 1 and takes over for RVD year two. The only downside is if Lundt gets claimed at some point by another team
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I’m a former player, HS Coach, and College recruiter and I am more than okay with my son not playing football.
It does teach a lot of good qualities that I take with me to this day but a young kid especially playing tackle football to me is dumb and unnecessary which is why there is more flag football now but not all. The brain is still developing at a rapid rate at these ages and proper tackling, helmets hitting the ground hard is just an unnecessary risk.
We all know of long term CTE but I wonder if there are milder effects for certain players on head injuries such as Anxiety and Depression.
All things considered I’d rather my kid play sports that are less violent and be like his mom who is very book smart and introverted than me living vicariously through him
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Carter is moving to the 1T. Beane has pretty much already said so. I think your going to see them keep 10 DL at the beginning of the season as Ogunjobi and Hoecht don’t count against the 53 while suspended.
Then after the 6 games are up don’t be surprised if Epenesa is traded for whatever they can get and Jones will come down with an ailment that puts him on IR before they cut him if they need his money
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The answer is safety until proven otherwise
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Just now, pennstate10 said:
Moore is a lot like KJ Hamler who is already on Bills practice squad.
At PSU, Hamler was both quick and fast. His biggest
problems were getting off LOS, hands, and ball tracking.
Given that he didn’t play for Bills last year, I’d guess that either injuries have hurt his speed, or that his ball skills haven’t improved.
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10 minutes ago, Logic said:
I've been one of the loudest "we need more WRs" voices the past couple seasons, but I respected Beane's demeanor and insistence here. It was certainly not his typical disposition on display.
I think the WR questions in the post-draft presser kinda caught him off guard, and then he happened to tune into the WGR show today right at the point where they were harping on the WR thing, and he just said "enough is enough". I bet if you gave him 10 minutes to take a deep breath and think about it before he want on air, he would've handled it a little bit differently. But...these guys are human, and I don't blame him for speaking the way he did. It also wasn't as severe as people are saying. Mostly I think people are just over-reacting to him using the word "bitching".
I can't argue much with what Beane said specifically: He can understand why people asked the WR question BEFORE last season, but after scoring more points than any other team in the NFL last season, the fan angst about WRs seems a bit misplaced. I also thought Beane's recent statement that it wasn't the offense letting them down in the playoffs, it was the defense (well, he didn't say the latter part, but it was implied) was on point.
I want another WR, too, but the fan angst about WRs HAS gotten out of hand in my opinion. You can tell the hosts were caught off guard and were not expecting any pushback. The way they went to commercial after the segment: "We're not playing fantasy football, and we're not here to be belittled, either". Yikes.
Like I said in another thread, it was a culmination of multiple days of it. Beane is very in tune with what the fans and media want and he doesn’t try to act like he doesn’t read the press clippings when you did.
He was already irritated after day 2 with the press, the fans , and not saying he reads this board but plenty on this board were displeased with the Sanders pick solely because he wasn’t 320+ plus DT. He even mentioned in the Day 3 presser about how the media kept pushing the narrative to him that they didn’t get big enough at DT.
T.J Sanders had his availability to the media and if you watch 9 minutes probably 6 to 7 mins of it was what did you play at South Carolina , did you play the 1T at all. What’s your playing weight? How high do you think you can play at. I’m sure Beane saw it and shook his head.
So he listens to that and Day 3 comes out and his first pick is Deone Walker a guy they’ll play at the 1T who is very large and thinks the media will be happy about only to come out of the draft to questions about why he didn’t take a WR earlier and he’s probably thinking to himself WTF as the media rides him about that.
So he keeps his cool, is probably pissed but he puts a lid on it only to come on the radio and find two more guys talking down to him about not taking a WR and that probably made him boil over to what you saw this morning. I don’t blame him.
In the mock special, @GunnerBill correctly predicted 2/3 top picks, we talked extensively about T.J Sanders and when Gunner picked Alfred Collins at 62 I said in the podcast that I expect the Bills to address CB in round 1, take a 3T in round 2 and then I expected them to take either an Edge or a WR(they took Jackson) and then I said I expect them to take a 1T in the 4th round because the value was better there. Between the two of us we were spot on almost with the draft philosophy of the Bills and this draft. The only exception was waiting until the 7th to take a WR
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20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Don't know about that. In the last four seasons, they've gone 10-3, 11-2, 8-5, and 10-3 in a brutal conference and have finished ranked 9th once and 11th twice. They also had the number 2 defense in all of college football this past season (in terms of points allowed). 5 of their 11 defensive starters were drafted this past weekend too: guys in the first, second, third, fifth, and sixth rounds. They also had a QB go in round one and a WR in round 2. Their 3 losses in 2024 were by the scores of 20-17, 29-26, and 24-17 (all one-score games). They also beat a stacked Georgia team, 28-10.
I don't view national championships or college playoff appearances as proper gauges of good seasons. There are too many teams for one, and secondly it's tough to get past OSU, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Michigan, and to a lesser extent LSU and Oregon giving their recruiting prowess.
They sold their souls last year in the transfer portal trying to make the playoff and failed at it. For the amount of money they put into that program sniping players from other programs they don’t win enough.
Nolan, Amos, Dart amongst many others were not originally Miss players
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I did want to take one in this draft just because the value is there. Taking one in the 7th you might have been able to sneak a guy on the PS. Two of my favorites Brashard Smith and LeQuint Allen both went round 7 but I get why they didn’t do it
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3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:
Yup sometimes a squirrel finds a nut lol. It was the right year to do it. I thought they were going to use 5 of their picks on DL/ Secondary . Turned out they used 6. I think if they had taken a mid round WR no one would have graded this draft less than an A- but people will knock the Bills for that-
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Clowney released by Panthers
in The Stadium Wall
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The answer is No. Dudes name crops up every single year or two and the Bills always pass . Disappointment on another team and rinse and repeat