leh-nerd skin-erd

This issue reveals the divide of us v them. Vindman held out as national hero, Bills guy is disposable. Such is the world.

I understand you all thinking he is one of hundreds of people making up stories, and I more listened than watched. He didn’t strike me as crazy, just a guy telling his story. Certainly no less credible than that porker who says he heard someone say something about someone who might have heard something else about Ukraine. Interestingly I always get Mighty Taco when I go home. Reminds me of many good times in Hs and college!

I will answer as I am a Bills fan too: 1. Speedo (camo) and mock turtleneck (green), NO—Josh Allen is a mythical figure half man/half god!; 2. Business causal means Friday afternoons off and Monday’s we flip the squawk box on by 10:30....Trick question—I think Trent Murphy sang with Pavorotti and a blind Spanish guy; 3. Yes Zubaz...obviously they were washed before hand they are 10 years old and still fit like a glove..No, the stains are not a mystery 😏....none; 4. I reach for a beer and think “This chick is bossy and I’m not sure I hate it!”; 5. @leh-nerd skin-erd (duh)

Well, if it seems to you that I am not trying to excuse something, we agree. Thank you Tibsy.

Excellent point! Let me know when that happens!

Illegal or not, if you're offering your bride, send pics! As for 'offer of support', people keeping a bit more their hard-earned money is nothing at all like a promise to magically resolve debt that never should have been taken by saddling others with said debt. One rewards hard work, the other rewards abject stupidity.

First, I really want you to know that your opinion is significant and I appreciate your reply. All joking aside, all we really have is our life experiences, our view of the world, and the thoughts that shape our reply here. I think you're 100% spot on as to what might unify us (absent divine intervention, which I'll address below). Something truly catastrophic would probably do it, at least for a while. Beyond that, there is nothing. Well--check that--if Biden is successful in striking a balance that doesn't %$#@ over many of us, that creates an era of prosperity and hope, and can break beyond the view of most that he's an empty suit and a very dim bulb...that would probably do it. To be honest, I don't really see how we come together. I think that falls less on us (DJT supporters), and more on the other side. Most of us sat in stony silence as Barrack O'Biden did his shtick, waiting for the chance to be heard at the ballot box. We didn't riot, didn't advocate having him dragged out for being an Iranian stooge, just...waited. DJT comes along, gets bashed for his extremely abrasive personality (and that's fair), but we're asked to pretend that Clinton and her ilk weren't waging the same street fight when she leads off with DJT is a racistislamaphobemisogynisthaterofpeoplebabykiller? Remember--at that point, using Christianity as a benchmark--we that voted for lower taxes, reduced regulation and some sort of semblance of order at the southern border that did not resemble a cheap Parisian whorehouse--we had been judge by her as "beyond redemption". Worse, those that supported her agreed. Even worse than that--go figure, that was the high water mark of our relationship over the next four years. Russia? Ukraine? SC justice? Protests? Support the police? Personally speaking, I'm not interested in that sort of relationship politically speaking. It seems very unreasonable. My hope is that we keep the dialogue up on a personal level (most folks aren't out fighting in the streets), we move on as best we can understanding that maybe, over time, we can rebuild some of the trust that has been lost. Thanks again! Leondardo deSmartyoh

Well , it's only different in the sense that it's not anything like a tax cut at all.

There is not a chance in hell the things outlined do anything to heal the divide created after the last four years. We had record employment numbers, opportunities for all but the laziest Americans, and the answer was to destroy everything in and around the architect of the plan and characterize his supporters as deplorable and irredeemable. When Biden takes office in January, the only remaining question we have is whether or not dems control the Senate. If they do, the progressives start progressing as elections have consequences. There is no happy medium there. If the dems do not control the senate, the marching orders from the base is 'obstruct'. At the same time, the wise strategy is to attempt to destroy Biden politically, likely through his relationship with China or Iran, and also through the hazy mist of his sons business dealing and personal problems. It's unsavory, but it works. It works so well, a career politician and known groper on the downward slide (mentally speaking)--thrice rejected by his party as a serious presidential candidate because of his penchant for stuffing his foot in his mouth---is about to ascend to the throne. I don't see a political course to unity.

This type of skullduggery, if true and if these anonymous sources (::yawn::) prove correct, it's egregious. Everyone knows the presidential pardon process is as pure as the driven snow, with wrongs made right and no quid pro quo of any sort ever. What concerns me is the precedent. Soon, we'll have presidential candidates bribing highly 'educated' individuals by offering to wipe their personally-incurred college debt clean (as if by magic, and/or passing it on to someone else) in exchange for their vote.

Graph-shaming dude, really, in 2020? I think it’s pretty obvious what the graph reveals about....football...and teams that play football..professionally...vis a vis fourth down situational analytics. In summary, algorithms. Don’t bother asking me to explain further, I’m pretty upset right now.

@Muppy what say you?

This was your chance to reassure me I’m not the dumbest bunny on the board. Your silence is deafening. 🤔 I can’t speak to that, but the other poster mentioned has an account near as I can tell. At least, his name here pops up there when the trusty @ is included.

I appreciate the feedback. I’m in the skeptic crowd, much of that driven by the utter lack of political/health leadership when folks were protesting in the streets all summer. I’m not a scientist, I consider agendas in conjunction with the data, but it is very difficult for me to take “leaders” seriously when their is a disconnect between words and action. Still, I wear my mask, respect others and socially distance.

I didn’t take the snowflakes comment personally, so no need to withdraw on my account. When someone attacks me, I have choices...ignore/swing back/mock. I like to mock—that’s my default, but in the end who really cares? The concerns expressed went beyond one poster being banned. The concerns went beyond the PPP forum, and those concerns are specific to the posters who chose to leave. No one is going to check the archives for old Len’s thoughts on banning specifically for political commentary, but my experience was that I never had any push back from a mod for what I wrote, and I shared that. The only issue I had was a warning point for a random Kiko Alonzo post way back when, and I still laugh at what prompted me to get it. With all the #%^# tossed back and forth on all parts of the board, it was silly as $&$. Things like that happen. Anyway, I’d suggest you are wrong about weak sauce, again, there are no shy posters there. In the end, those who chose to leave left for a better experience. They were wearing Nike, decided on Adidas and that’s it. Personally, I think it’s a better experience but like most, I tend to gravitate to people with similar points of view. I don’t follow you on the hidden politics board over there. I saw another poster indicated something similar and I was going to call @bull#### on that. No one will argue if I suggest I’m the dumbest bunny on the site, and I found the political forum in 3.7 seconds.

I’m not here to argue with you, but you indicated “COVID-like”, not COVID. Is that an important distinction to you? A quick search seems to indicate that “COVID-like” can include everything from a cough, shortness of breath to sore throat and beyond.

The snowflake commentary is overdone on both sides, particularly as it relates to the other board. While I was not privy to the conversation that lead up to the decision to create a separate place to dialogue, the singular reality is that like-minded folks wanted a place unencumbered by some of the partisan pushback from moderators here. As you all know all too well, there was not one 'snowflake' poster that did not push back when targeted. Imo, all that really happened is that we had a place where lots of folks with different perspectives were swinging haymakers at each other here, and now most of you don't recognize the sound of your own voice when it comes back around at you. I've always said I like to listen to the other side, it helps in real world discussions to know how the other side thinks, in particular the areas they don't want to get into. It's been incredibly helpful to me as I discuss far left ideology with a friend or associate to have an idea how deep the water is in the crazy pond. I have especially enjoyed reading the post discussing the status of the R v D party moving forward. That's very telling.

We don’t always agree Mup, but I feel like we understand each other. I’ll ask you: What exactly should unity look like in 2020? What do you mean by “the country is a divided mess right now”. What did unity look like 2016-2020?

I am just happy that everyone is ok. We can always get a new car.

This ‘education’ issue is overblown and imo manufactured to make liberals feel better about themselves and their cause. Ditto with the ‘angry white male’ narrative. Partner it with “angry white male voters tell their women what to think and how to vote” competes the trifecta or silliness that doesn’t address the 70,000,000+ votes and historic R turnout among people of color for DJT. Be that as it may, for some and likely many, traditional higher education is overpriced and overrated. It’s incredibly ironic to me that many, many Biden supporters will be out championing the collective intellect of the liberal voter while planning to be first in line when the “We’ll Make Someone Else Pay Your College Debt” program. I know many, many people who chose to follow a path that did not include traditional education who knew what many highly educated Americans do not: the choice to incur the debt associated with a $100/per hour education financed with a $25/per hour occupation is dumb as $&$&. Credit to Biden though for bumping the victimized class to those earning up to $399,999. When you offer people the choice between honoring their debt, integrity and a free payday, lots will take the free pay day.

I see it as a campaign against nearly insurmountable obstacles doing what needs to be done. Good point on the Lions. I had forgotten about their commitment to preseason excellence. The guys will always have that memory.

“He”? That’s an odd thing to say in 2020. But either way, sounds like we agree on principle that the case(s) should be pursued as the campaign feels appropriate.

The states have resources for exactly this sort of thing, and in theory the states answer to all the citizens, not just those who see things one way or the other.

1. I didn’t argue anything to the contrary with respect to the judge’s decision. If you see the State’s approach of ‘no standard is the standard’ as it relates to poll watchers, methodology of tabulating votes, purchase of voting booths etc, great. 2. Nonsense, shmonsense. You’re making declarations and attempting to suggest they came from me. I never said that poll watching was the only process employed for tabulating votes. 3. The Complaint included multiple counts, and at the risk of repeating myself, I acknowledged the decision. You allege bad faith in pursuing the action, fine. As to providing information on similar cases, if I was an attorney specializing in that sort of thing, I would have the resources to research and analyze case law and precedent specific to Pennsylvania or anywhere else. I’m not, so let’s assume it’s never been an issue. Stepping back from that for a second, I’m uncertain as to why ‘poll watching’ is even a thing in Pa (or any state with similar rules). It seems more political theater than anything else—giving the appearance of human oversight in theory but absent a standard easily written into the legislation, why bother? To be completely honest, I’d feel slightly better if, as we approached this hotly contested election in a battleground state, there was some guidance provided to the counties anticipating this sort of complaint. Instead, Thunderdome. 4. I reject your assertion that pursuing remedy is somehow abhorrent simply because you don’t like it. It’s quite literally the process. As for being disgusted, it seems to me that lots of folk are suddenly woke and screaming about the unfairness of it all. The irony is stunning. 5. This is a great question. I think the answer is clear—it’s beyond the capacity of a state the size of Georgia to establish any reasonable standard as to process, guidelines, budget or anything else. Therefore, the standard has to be...67 processes apply, and we’ll let each of y’all independently decide who you want to follow up with. Let’s be sure to limit mistakes in voting only to mail-in ballots, those pesky people who vote in person are on their own. The reality is that there are rules for reasons. I think if a vote does not meet the standards set to be counted, it should be discarded. Standards exist for a reason, and its to give the appearance the election is fair and legitimate. Choosing to provide special consideration for a select group of voters while disregarding others flies in the face of that. Why even have a ballot at all, why not just allow people to write in crayon on the back of an envelope? In the end, the voter hurt here is the one who made a mistake but wasn’t called, or chose not to be bothered because he/she assumed they were getting a call from a telemarketer and disregarded the call, or one who lived in a rural county that lacks the resources for a ‘dialin for Biden’ blitz. Finally, who checks the checkers? If I receive a call, what processes are in place to ensure that Jim from Harrisburg properly inputs my vote? 6. Then you gave nothing to worry about. 7, 8, 9. Your thoughts regarding the precious right to vote are honorable, but when you treat it like a “First F Free Friday” at a Nevada brothel, you get what you get. Pennsylvania is a perfect example. We’re long past free-for-all. 10. Ah, the disenfranchise the deplorable approach. Sweet.

Of course it’s a parody. And I don’t work for Noxema. Lighten up Francis.