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Another question might be “For the Chief or Mayor, had that young lady not been trying to kill that other girl by stabbbing her in the neck, might the outcome have been different?”.

The concept of law and order requires most of the population following the concept of law and order. When you flip the script and suggest law and order is the problem, things go sideways.

A friend of mine was part of the NYS Police support team who assisted troopers and their families after the death of a Trooper, serious injury or loss, emotional support after this sort of thing. With very few exceptions, the people in uniform are significantly impacted by the things they see on a daily basis. Suicides. Child abuse. Violent death. Car accidents. Drug ODs. Sexual assault. General disregard for the value of human life. Another guy who retired from our local force a few years ago said he just couldn’t stand the thought of one more day seeing things he couldn’t forget. Add this sort of thing in—whether or not he did the “right” thing, he wakes up everyday knowing he ended the life of another human being. Horrible.

I misunderstood. This is what I was replying to with regard to the people who play NFL football specifically: We need to stop viewing major sports as we do an average Joe's 9 to 5. It's not the same and it's not governed the same. So when they are in "uniform" they have the right to do whatever they like. I don't remember any athlete kneeling during a game, I remembered it being done before the game even starts so what is the problem? I interpreted that as suggesting the athletes were special cases, and I apparently misread the first paragraph and thought you had said they are not like you and I. My bad there, sorry for the confusion. CK is Colin Kaepernick. At times, I feel like I’m one of the last people in America that welcomes debate. I’ve come to the conclusion that you and I believe the same thing. Athletes are people like you and I; They have opinions and express them; People will have opinions about their opinions; Some people may stop watching the NFL because of that, others may not; Debate is good; I really had no idea how you individually felt about the socks, I only know how I felt about them. I never suggested it was. We agree on Trump’s comments about the NFL, I’m happy to move on from that. I agree with you on being able to wear a hoodie, but at the risk of derailing the topic again, my thoughts are that Trayvon Martin interacted with the wrong crazy, the wrong way, on the wrong day. He reacted the way young men do sometimes, physically and aggressively, and while he had every right to be outraged, he should not have attempted to beat the crazy out of Zimmerman. I have two boys, and one of my many life lessons shared with them is that you never know who the &$#@ is on the other side of the rage. Actually, I shared that with my daughter as well, who was assaulted by some crazy drunk chick in a bathroom on NYE a few years back. Thankfully she remembered part two of the lesson—if confronted and unable to extricate, eyes on the aggressor backing away, by all means fight like your life depends on it. His life ended tragically and it would not have had he not encountered Zimmerman, but he was not assasinated in the street. Chauvin—we agree. I’m not sure about the snow reference but I’m sure I agree. The young lady shot the other day was tragic for all involved. Her, her family, the bystanders and the officer. The young lady being assaulted may be the only beneficiary of the day.

Any guy who refers to himself as “King” may be slightly full of himself.

You bet. I don’t think I implied you said that, but if that’s the way it appears to you I certainly didn’t mean to. My point was simply that having an opinion on kneeling, and having an opinion on people that have an unfavorable opinion about those who are kneeling boil down to the same thing. Swing and a miss #2. Since everyone is entitled to an opinion, athletes are clearly entitled to theirs. You mentioned initially that athletes were special cases, I don’t see it that way, or at least not as it relates to the majority. I feel extremely comfortable in saying I can live to watch games, respect and admire athleticism, yet not be particularly interested in much more than that in most cases., I agree on owners, they figured out how to keep things going. On the ownership group, btw, much was made about CK not being on a team post protest. Seems they expressed their opinion on more than just kneeling. Was that cool with you? That’s fine, but the kneeling during the anthem and/or ‘cops are pigs’ socks wasn’t a hot button issue for you. If it is for someone else—maybe a police officer, son of an officer etc—and they feel differently, that’s their call. I didn’t like Trump’s comments, but passion for the anthem and/or the flag predates DJT by a couple hundred years.

Another way to say it is the officer saved the other girl from serious injury or death, was put in a position that no sane person would ever want to be in, and likely will carry the emotional effects of taking the life of that girl for the duration of his.

The TV folks at RCA called the police and told ‘em to cut the carp, just like now. Before Big Pharma was in bed with five-0, it was Big Telly. Btw they wanted to tell ‘em to cut the crap but they couldn’t get it past the censors.

I saw an episode on The Sopranos, where Tony met with the Board of Director at CVS to set up the money laundering Op. He tried to shake down the Triscuit folks but they are backed up by the crew out of Sweden. Stone cold blonde killers slathered in SPF 50, the Swedes. Art imitates life I guess.

Just remember what they always say—it’s on all of us, just on some of us more.

Virus is dormant until commercial breaks. Another wrinkle to the magically morphing virus. Hovers fearfully over crowds of people engaged in social causes AND important speeches about people who pretended to be someone else for an hour-thirty.

I see a few choices. 1. Conversate and attempt to defuse; 2. Wade in and risk being injured, assaulted and/or killed while precious time is wasted as the victim is being assaulted; 3. Try to taze the aggressor in hopes you disable before she plunges the knife into the other child’s body, perhaps repeatedly; 4. Use deadly force; 5. Call for back up and stand down; All carry risk, all carry downside, and all suck across the board. Interestingly, there were citizens about that likely could have defused the situation as well, but that didn’t seem to be a priority.

Wouldn’t it be more appropriate for Ask Shakur to twit about why the police officer was “incapable of breaking up an assault with a deadly weapon” with a taser v “a fight”? It doesn’t look like a fight at all.

Thanks for wading in, and sharing your perspective. I don’t quite understand you on folks choosing to express disdain for kneeling. If everyone is entitled to an opinion and thoughts on the subject, why do we need to go further than that? Some folks changed the channel. Some folks stopped watching. Some folks kneeled. Others didn’t. It seems to me the debate was sort of uniquely American. For what it’s worth, I had no interest in watching the NFL for it evolved into 3 hours of social justice activism, or frankly 30 minutes of it. With few exceptions, I’m not looking to players for any great life lessons. I think the NFL did a good job of managing all that this past season. A couple bumps in the road—the Steelers paying tribute to an individual while one honored a fallen soldier, the sniping at the non-compliant player only to find out later the guy was not an innocent victim of police violence. The reality seems to me to be that the players aren’t able to do whatever they want, but the NFL has to walk the fine line between managing player expectations, social causes and keeping paying customers as paying customers. It’s a work in progress. Fair point on kneeling v rioting. And, while I supported DJT as President, I thought his foray into this subject was a mistake and he should have kept his thoughts to himself.

Fox News was at epicenter of WW1? The things you learn on the internet.

I listened to a Springsteen song on the way home from work, Adam Raised A Cain, live from 1999. Great version, nails it but near the end, he does this high pitched scream that just sounds odd to me. I don’t watch TC with any regularity, I thought the laugh odd, but was expecting a melt down because, well the guy said he melted down.

It’s always good to remember that other people are not involved in the conversations apparently bouncing around your head, I asked if what we saw was a meltdown. You replied “Nah”, presumably not seeing a meltdown either. What truth can’t be handled by some? Actually this is much more melt-downy than the Tucker clip.

That’s a “complete meltdown”?

I know you’re a probably a Tory, but you would make a great democrat stateside.

Now you’ve done it, you’ve gone and apologized. Sh$t just got real. I really don’t have many rules for engagement here, but these are them: 1. I don’t say something here I wouldn’t say to someone’s face; 2. I don’t take much personally here; 3. I will acknowledge when I am wrong if proven incorrect on a point, or acknowledge a point made that I was unaware of if I’m enlightened. @oldmanfan took me to church on an FDR quote (though rumor is it’s because he attended high school with him and may have been an usher when he married Eleanor) Section 3 (I can’t find his screen name but he’s around) taught me something on legal terminology, @Muppyprovided a different perspective on off the cuff comments I made about a politician and so on. 4. I’m a conservative leaning guy with liberal tendencies in some cases, but the guy I argue with today might be the guy holding the door for me at Home Depot tomorrow. I’m not interested in ongoing hostilities; Thanks for the acknowledgement on the error, apology accepted and I withdraw my comments regarding you and Andy NGO. I felt dirty typing that but in the moment I did not like being accused of things I’m not responsible for. I also think you’re wrong about @B-Man, but he’s a capable dueler and can handle that himself. Anyways, in the big picture I get your perspective, and I think it’s not uncommon for people to feel that way. However, what I’ve read, and from the people I’ve spoken with directly impacted by rioting and looting is that they are no more interested in being victimized by some jackass looking to rage than by a police officer gone rogue. Bottom line is the Rite Aid burning in the inner city isn’t good for the public it serves. I’m a small business owner, and that impacts my point of view, but truly, the man or woman—black, white, Hispanic, Asian etc— who puts heart, soul and money into a business venture doesn’t want to see their life work torched with a Molotov cocktail or looted by some opportunistic white kid. Building a business is hard at times, rebuilding is hard and emotionally taxing and in many cases the young entrepreneur who struck out on his own has aged and my not want to start again. It’s quite common for business owners to forgo insurance, or be underinsured and that adds to the challenge. Finally, people count on them for services, for presence in the community to attract other business, and obviously for employment. Now, if you want to debate the relative merits of the Floyd family seeking vengeance’s against Chauvin and his property, well, that’s different. “Horsecockery” was lifted directly from an episode of Trailer Park Boys. The scene and delivery was Emmy worthy. Have a good night.

This is the stupidity you get when an individual wealthy beyond the wildest dreams of most people (besides @Chef Jim) harnesses what can be described as near absolute power— shameless tone deaf platitudes that are the modern day equivalent of “Let them eat cake”.

Correct, it’s not normal for a police officer to murder citizens. It’s actually quite rare in the grand scheme of things, but no less important that the process of investigating and bringing the murderer to justice be complete. Just like if the murderer was an accountant, crip, or the glass guy who fixes the window at the Rite Aid. If, however, you see it as Rite Aid’s role to suffer the consequences, or the family owned pizza shop to bear the burden of the weight of past injustices, said judgment being rendered by some dopey kid in a skeleton mask bought at Party City, well that’s the height of horsecockery.

I’m not so sure both are wrong. One clearly is, the desire to shield citizens from harm and protect the integrity of our justice system. The approach to whistleblower protection is complicated at best. A whistleblower providing sealed testimony about known deficiencies in the Tesla auto pilot system is one thing, a political operative claiming he heard someone say that someone else said something as they passed the lunch lounge is another. It’s often the equivalent of the unnamed source deep within spewing manipulative crap to shape a narrative. I’d think some common ground could be found here. These people deserve anonymity, and some douche with a press pass sniffing around their jock ain’t doing nothing for the greater good.

The only question for me is that if and when there is fallout, and one of the jurors or family members are hurt, injured, threatened or killed*, is retribution against the reporter fair? *Our friend Logic would insist here that we make it clear that said injury/death/destruction must be considered in context, and in this case would only occur because the jurors were selected to sit in judgement on a very volatile and horrific dealing with an case that’s very complex and involves the death of a man in police custody, and that the juror(s) may share culpability in some unknown way/shape/form because people are fed up with in associated parties unknown to them. I hope that I have done justice to the notion of context. He put the ‘ass’ in asphalt!

I feel like it did occur but did not go live because the investigative arm of the plan refused to comply. I don’t want to oversimplify this, because common sense tells me that curfews and police stops in general have the same sorta vibe if not properly managed but stopping, questioning and punishing a citizen for walking on the street seems far beyond reasonable. The fact that it happened on a provincial level actually makes me even more uncomfortable than it would if it was country-wide. It amounts to some mid-level bureaucrats—likely ignoring the order they seek to enforce—-coming up with a plan to harass people and generate revenue. I understand your position, and your feelings about taking care of the collective, but to institute across the board seems extreme. As this is a Chauvin thread, I’ll bow out gracefully at this time—though not because some fat boy politician tells me I must, I do so of my own volition. @Niagara Bill slayed it here. #weareCanadatoday