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I have no idea, but it’s Friday Funday and you could be day drinking. I’ll go with… What is Topeka, Kansas. Final answer. I know, it’s crazy right? But in the world of abortion/reproductive rights, people lose their minds, don’t they? If you don’t like to dance, don’t go to a ho-down. You’re doubling down on dumb here, BillSy. I think you get all flustered when discussing areas of the anatomy typically covered by a bathing suit. Be that as it may, you are well within your rights to abdicate your right to an opinion and to sit quietly in the back while other, better people file in to cast their vote.

Well maybe once she figures it out, instead of the passive-aggressive argument that men shouldn’t have a say on anything women-specific, she should introduce a grass roots movement to segregate the vote to concerned parties only.

This is the silliest argument on this issue. Men and women collectively vote for the rules that govern all. In states with liberal abortion laws, the laws typically do not offer unrestricted abortion access from conception to birth, though obviously some advocate for that option. Some have advocated for termination up to and beyond birth as you well know. One of the common refrains of the Pro Choice community is about pregnancy that results from sexual assault and/or *****. If the issue is ultimately about complete autonomy and a woman’s right to choose, why saddle a patient with the need to disclose such a traumatic event to anyone? For many reasonable pro choice people, it’s freedom of choice…to a point. As far as I am concerned, I won’t take a place in the corner with you if you feel you don’t have a write to speak or vote. That just makes you of weak character, and I’m not interested in that. At the same time, I recognize that decisions that impact me personally—from my own health choices to the fruits of my labor—are determined in large part by the votes of all citizens, many of whom are women. That’s not bad always, or good always, it just is. Finally, I’m a pro-choice conservative who has simply acknowledged what we all know is true. Roe v Wade is problematic and creates chaos and tension each time it comes up. Of Roe V Wade wasn’t problematic—something that could have been fixed in the last 50 years—we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Suggesting that the issue simply remains status quo deprives women (specifically) a seat at the table when it comes to abortion. A women who is pro-life may well have something to offer and may well choose to share her voice in the ballot box. Tibs has an old school male attitude and he’s trapped in a new age body.

So says you, but you’re an 0fer.

It was my understanding he shot her because he feared his life was in danger, and the video I’ve seen makes me think he did. So, no, I think he was given the benefit of the doubt and should not be arrested. I think that approach should apply outside of the Capital police but sadly it does not. If you’ve seen indication he acknowledged he shot her because she climbed on a table, or broke a chair, then he should be prosecuted. I am concerned that the government has withheld hours of footage from that day, and believe the potential for a coverup is quite high. I’m also disappointed that elected officials in harms way seem to have very little tolerance for potential for violence against them, yet an inordinate amount of patience, tolerance when law abiding citizens and law enforcement officials are targeted outside Washington.

@Tiberius has declared that he will speak for all women, especially those confused on what they think.

Assaulting…the capital? Beyond the obvious “Huh??”… It seems extreme, the death part, if that’s really your take. On the other hand, some kids were vandalizing the local Friendly’s not long ago and shooting them would probably be an effective deterrent.

But that’s what you’re advocating, Tibs, “banning women” from “exercising” the right to vote. This is an extremely patriarchal point of view. I think you just see them as the wrong type of woman. There’s a trend here.

Good for her. She’ll be maligned, disliked and scorned by just about half the population just like her predecessors.

This was interesting. To summarize your point: In the 50 years since Roe was decided, Justice Alito is the only SC Justice, legal scholar, or law professor to ever view the law as problematic, and that's because he supports witch burning; All women should subjugate their right to vote on issues of your choosing, because women should have the right to choose as you see fit; Alito is the first and only SC justice to reference precedent from days long past. You wonder why we have issues as a country.

A couple things: Characterizing it as "Alito's argument" is disingenuous. The decision has been problematic since the beginning, and debated for 50 years. I'm not an expert on any of it, and I'm not sure how I even feel about all this, but this is well-established. Correct me if I'm wrong? The suffrage movement ended in 1920. The last woman not allowed the opportunity to vote has been dead for a long, long time. Multiple generations of women have voted since the landmark ruling and here we sit Roe V Wade still a problem, and the definitive SC ruling still up in the air. Congress can act, why would you be against that? Last but not least, it's incredibly ironic that you reference a time when women "were not considered or treated as citizens..." while advocating for denying individual the right to cast their vote on this very controversial issue. In spite of the progress of the last 102 years, you're still looking at women as a collective block of voters versus tens of millions of---wait for it---"citizens"--expressing their opinions through the voting booth.

I wasn't familiar with that word, thanks. I like it. I agree with you to a point. However, we do need a thoughtful, reflective and intellectual group engaged in discourse and doing the right thing based on our laws. This can be painful at times, controversial at others. From what I can see, the foundation of Roe V Wade was crumbling from the beginning. That doesn't seem to be limited to conservative viewpoints, it seems to be a commonly agreed upon premise. It also seems to me that Congress could take up this issue and push forward with a law that addresses it in the manner you believe it should be addressed. Given the commonly held principle that 146% of Americans agree with abortion as a right, it should be wildly popular and pass with ease. Instead, we have major political leaders trashing the institution of the SC, and the targeting individual justices that are doing the hard work trying to make sense of all this stuff, unpopular though it may be. Ruth Bader Ginsburg must be rolling over in her tiny little grave.

The problem is that everyone should agree with everything always, and once something is, it should never change, except of course when it does! We wouldn’t need the SC to begin with. Thanks a lot, Framers of the Constitution!!!

I don't know about all that Westy. There are political differences among reasonable people, and I really believe we're all hypocrites at some point. I catch myself sometimes. It's not that I think Tibsy hates the country or is traitorous--that's the sort of stuff lobbed our way when even suggesting that The Whole Russia Thing didn't make much sense from the start. It's similar to the positioning that criticizing Obama was akin to racism, that criticizing Harris is anti-woman, or that pointing out Joe Biden is breaking apart before our very eyes---ah, check that one, everyone knows that. Back in the day--Rush Limbaugh suggested he wanted Obama and his policies to fail, and there were a whole bunch of leftys up in arms. We don't see that so much any more because the reality is, the opposite side seems to always cheer for failures of the incumbent. It's always been the way. The assault on all things Trump is a prime example of the attempt to destroy both agenda and politician. It can only get worse from here. I do, however, think his stance on the Obama/Biden/CIA withholding or critical facts and intelligence is pretty bad. It's the ultimate "ends justify the means" similar to L Ron's version of believing in free, but sanctioned and authorized speech as viewed by people known as "they" or "them". I think you can support Obama and Biden and still say "Yeah, once they knew Clinton's fingerprints were all over that dossier, that should have been made public for the greater good. That was sh&tty.".

No, it's you Tibs. You and yours. You're off spouting about Trump, Putin and Russia, completely comfortable with the Obama/Biden approach to managing the "mass murdering war criminal". The facts are pretty clear: Obama stated, and indeed by action was, very, very 'flexible' with Putin and the Russians; The Russian disinformation campaign happened on the Obama/Biden watch, and when viewed in the context of handwringing over involvement in the election, represented an almost unimaginable dereliction of duty; Obama's impotent stand against Russia started roughly the time Hillary Clinton was losing support in the race for the presidency. It boiled down ultimately to tossing a few diplomats out jusssssssst before he vacated the oval office; The actions of Putin and the Russians on Biden's watch are consistent with the actions of Putin and Russia on Obama's watch. That is to say, they invade countries and take them over. They recognize weakness in the leadership of a Biden or Obama at worst, or they leverage the Administration's approach to "flexibility" with a wink, nod, and tacit approval of their activity at worst. I don't know if you, personally, are just incredibly gullible or a hopeful participant in a much larger game. I generally go with gullible, but when you're actively cheering disinformation during the darkest Red Scare in our history since Joseph McCarthy, it makes me wonder.

Thanks for acknowledging that point. It was pretty obvious you felt this way, I couldn't understand why you didn't just come out and say it. You're part of the problem, Tibs. You're completely comfortable with facts being withheld, information manipulated, and allegations being made that are destructive to the ideal of national unity. The only rule you seem to apply is that the misinformation campaign has to align with your ideals. In that regard, you're like most on the political extremes.

Thanks. Let’s hope for less left woke to make the Democrat political machine pristine. As for suppression of free speech, the dangers of trusting whomever “they” are at any given point in time cannot be overstated. In business, standards that comply with regulations equitably across the board make sense. Where government is concerned…suppression is a recipe for disaster. I’ll take a zombie asking questions and pushing for answers over a sheep trusting blindly any day of the week. It seems to me there was a time when those on the left did that quite effectively, back when “they” told people to move along and comply. Thanks for expounding on your thoughts on the right. I felt like I had a pretty good handle on where you were at previously.

So run with this then if it’s your kink! At least you don’t look foolish pining for hidden messages in unredacted sections of Mueller. Or riding Geo Conways jock on a prosecutor who quit—quit—when his boss informed him he was off base. We agree. Trump lost the election. We agree Trump was impeached. We agree he was a one term president thus far. Since we both agree, we both win here—it’s like T ball. We agree he lost the popular vote, but while that’s relevant in the world of prom queens and County Fair Milkmaid contests, it’s irrelevant in presidential elections. See, even when you choose a winning point, you have a way of really gumming things up with irrelevant information like this.

Stormy Daniels is not a victim, she’s a business person selling a product. She saddled up with Avenatti which, it turned out, was almost pathologically dunderheaded. When that went south, she decided to forge ahead and roll the bones. Unfortunately for her, it turned out Trump was actually the aggrieved party. Justice served is Justice realized. I’m not keeping score, but Billsy, has there been a subject you hitched your wagon to where the hero of your tale actually prevails? You’re 0-for-everything. I’d bet if you asked if she was happy you were on Team Stormy, she’d look at your track record and think “Keep that jinx far away from me!”. Then again, maybe the Freemasons got to the judge? Yeah, that’s probs it.

Stormy was cutting him a check for $3hundo-k last I heard?

Again, a pass on Obama? What is it that holds you up there? It doesn’t make you a bad person that you’re happy he withheld information that might have helped the nation, it just makes you a big part of the problem. As for losing, if you’re tied that deeply to the outcome of an election—and it seems you are—my suggestion is to push back a bit. Too many people lose sight of what’s really important in life. I am beyond blessed in life. I was during Bush the Lesser, Obama, Trump and even now with the Biden/Pelosi kleptocracy running the show. In spite of your insensitive comments directed my way, I hope you are too.

I didn’t do anything to help, Tibsy. I sat, waited and watched the complete and total collapse of the Russia play. Had there been evidence of wrongdoing, treason etc, we would be a whole different place today. Your people held all the cards, literally. It started with a bang and and ended with a fizzle as a tired old man embarrassing himself before a national audience. I don’t understand why you’re afraid to address the Obama/Biden issue. Is it because you know that sort of politicking is exactly the reason we end up with Russia hoaxes and Stop the Steal campaigns? You’re complicit in the problem, Tibs! You can love Obama and Biden and still acknowledge the problem with withholding information when the country was being torn to shreds. Or, you can keep politicking.

How did he do it, man? How did he beat the system? 🤔 You must have missed the Obama question. Should the information that the Clinton campaign was directly tied to the Russia story, most specifically the propaganda pieces prepped by—here’s a funny things—-the hostile foreign national Steele? Oh since you were mean to me, you smell bad.

I knew how you felt, Tibsy. You’re in the “Everyone knows it but the dumbest man that ever lived deftly beat the system with a Special Prosecutor, unlimited budget, wide-ranging ability to investigate, and every major media publication utilizing anonymous sources that didn’t pan out and circular reporting” crowd. 😵‍💫 Btw, Tisby, do you think Obama and Biden should have come clean that the Clinton Campaign was a major contributor to the Russian story? Even though we’re at odds on certain issues, the nation was torn apart by the Steele allegations. The greater good, you know.

What negatives can you suggest about your party? I’ll offer a few tidbits that bother conservatives: Russia investigation, Trump walks away untouched, allegations of treasonous behavior, an illegitimate presidency, 4 years derailed. The fact that Obama and Biden were debriefed on the Clinton connection very early in the Trump admin and said nothing about it. Biden’s acknowledgement that he directly tied taxpayer funds to the removal of a prosecutor in a sovereign nation. The character assassination of Brett Kavanaugh. What bugs you about the home team or if not your team, the other guys?