John Adams

So we have a national political system where elected officials absolutely must show off their Judeo-Christian beliefs or they don't get elected...and you don't see that as a system that excludes non-believers? I sure do.

Best ad for Southwest ever. Makes me want to fly them even more. Recently flew on USAirways with a woman's side gut on my thigh. Thanks but no thanks.

First, let's not confuse the Constitutional right. Everyone has the right to be batshit crazy as long as the beliefs don't infringe other rights, eg, a right to execute adulters. Second, it matters to me when people like Bush put their decision-making in god's hands and say that they make their decisions after talking to god. And it matters to me that Obama went happily to a Church with a seemingly bona fide lunatic at its head for a decade. So it does matter to me. If you have some little box where you go to talk to god, I can get over it as long as you are basing your day-to-day actions on some rational and reasoned belief system. Lincoln seemed to work in that framework. Today's politicians, however, can't get elected without proving that they go to church diligently and believe in god (preferably the Christian one). This Jesus litmus test for politicians is abhorrent and the lack of tolerance for non-believers is still a widespread fact of life--while the secularists disdain for religion remains a quaint little point of interest.

Perot did him in. If he didn't split the vote, Bush wins.

I think pbills is awesome.

The poor religious in America. Ever-oppressed. Holding no positions of power. Boo hoo. Imagine what would happen if an elected official in high office said he's not religious...he would probably get 98% of the vote. An atheist could grab 100%.

It'll all be fixed soon.

Nope. I saw your offer in the other thread. The problem with that idea is that a ton of people would go for the plan and then have no money when they were 68 and become wards of the state...effectively getting SS anyways. It's a dumb system and people are too dumb to be trusted without the net.

Religion doesn't buy my precious vote but it turns me off. Those who preach and base decisions on their personal conversations with god (Bush) scare the !@#$ out of me. Those who believe that a guy looked into a magic hat with a special stone and found the new word of god (Mormons, Romney) also scare me. That doesn't mean I would not necessarily vote for Romney. It does mean that Mormons are nucking futs.

I am willing to pay my share in one stroke if everyone else does too.

Almost, but not quite, as damning as Palin's stupidty problem. If the Reps don't put up a strong candidate and there's a viable 3rd option, Obama will beat the split Right/Independent vote, just like Clinton did when Perot sank Bush I.

Very hard to get over the Mormon angle. They are a bunch of crazy MFers.

We all make occasional mistakes but your consistent misuse is becoming PPP legend. You and Boomer should write a book. VaBills can be your editor.

Is this in Klingon?

I've said it before--the Dems are more intellectually honest on this point than the Republicans. The Dems spend more and tax more. The Republicans spend more and tax less. Both are wrong but one makes some sense.

I wonder if there's any other way to reduce the deficit.

And that's the problem. The Right wants to be in Palin's camp because the liberals hate her but miss this point. She would be BY FAR our dumbest and most dangerous president ever. Yes, more dangerous than petty paranoid Nixon. If she ends up on the Republican or any large third party ticket, Obama will coast to reelection. Why? The left will turn out in droves to vote for Obama. Independents won't vote for her.

We have 120 employees. 5K wouldn't make a sniff of a difference on inspiring us to hire or fire someone. Hiring someone has a lot more costs associated with it that 5K can't begin to offset. I can't imagine a single workplace where 5K will act as incentive to hire a FT employee.

Why do you think anyone in non-Union constructions has a hundred of these stories but no Union guys have stories about private contractors breaking into their jobsites and sabotaging work. (Spock sabotage the system.) I did a lot of work for non-Union companies and it was a neverending PIA with Unions breaking in and !@#$ing with work. Grown-up bodies with 5 year old mentality.

He's Union.

Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy **** with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the !@#$ing trigger 'til it goes "click."

The USFL developed Kelly...so the Bills don't even get credit for developing him.

Ah, so you're another tool of the Zionist plot.

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You're loco.