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Their line is great in the interior. Their tackles are meh. Evidence by both not resigned this offseason. Mahomes style of play mask a lot of the tackles mistakes. He seems to have a sixth sense of where pressure is coming from and evades it. Allen is just as mobile if not more. He can improve on getting a better feel for pressure in the pocket to evade. While Dorsey does need to improve next year with play calling Allen has to shoulder some of the offensive inefficiency blame. There were guys underneath all season that were missed and drives stalled. Including the Bengals game. That has to change. If Allen hit Diggs, who was wide open, on that first drive in the Bengals game it may have turned out differently. An elite qb cannot miss that in a playoff game. It’s not all on Dorsey.

Wasn’t KC down to 1 starting WR in the championship game? Mahomes was throwing to ST guys while hobbled and still found a way to win? I wish Allen could be average like that. Bills probably have a superbowl by now if that’s the case.

Soooo Diggs to KC for 2nd 4th 6th MVS and Jystin Ross? 🤔

This is where I’m at as well. Mahomes is just unreal. Yeah Reid puts him in the best position to succeed but he has to deliver on the field. True generational talent. With that said Allen is definitely good enough to win a championship. Needs better decision making. Team can help with upgrading the line. Learn from past failures. Bright future for this team.

Can’t bring it up without multiple responses saying he’s the most talented qb to ever live and that he’s not to blame. Just add Oline, weapons, new OC and his mistakes will magically disappear replaced by automatic superbowls for years to come. Slightly exaggerating about the responses of course…very slightly.

Allen can definitely work on some things to be better next year.

Great take! Mahomes makes his receiving corp better than it really is. Finding ways to come through no matter the circumstances. And for that he’s clearly #1 in the league. Allen can definitely join him. That’s why I argue that Diggs and Davis are great receivers. Allen is capable of elevating them even higher. That’s what elite qb’s do for their teams. Allen just hasn’t done it consistently. The Oline is definitely an issue. Hopefully with these offseason moves it will get better. Let’s also hope that Allen learned from another disappointing season and come back hungrier next season.

Absolutely! You get it. He’s a great qb and would probably go down as the best Bills qb when it’s all said and done. That doesn’t mean he can’t improve on certain aspects of his game to get this team to another level. Unfortunately, you’re the few posters that acknowledge this. Most think he’s awesome and superbowls would just appear if he gets more Oline and WRs help. All I’m saying is his game has alot of room for improvement to take the bills to the next step. Of course he can’t do everything but he has to do the majority because that’s just the way the position works. That’s why they get paid the big bucks. fwiw I believe in this team and have laid $ on the over season totals the last few years. I’ll continue to do so this year. 👍

So basically yet another excuse to explain away his mistakes. Let me try this again. Allen is the most talented qb in the entire league and maybe in the history of the nfl. He is a complete qb that does everything correctly all the time and would not need to improve on any aspects of his game. When the team lose it is on the other players and coaches. When they win it’s because he’s a hof qb. Did I do this right?

Most everyone here always say if Allen has Reid surely he would have the same accomplishments as Mahomes. I don’t think many non Bills fan would agree with this. So let’s put that to bed. What I see is Allen needs to improve his play if the Bills are to win one and I hope he can. That starts with keeping his emotions in check. Too many times it gets the best of him during games and lead to mistakes. Without eliminating or at least minimizing mistakes then this team will continue to bow out of the playoffs. I’m confident with how Allen interviews that he knows this and want to get better.

1. Best offensive mind that never won a superbowl until he got Mahomes. All of a sudden 5 straight championship games. 3 superbowl appearances. 2 superbowl wins. All started with Mahomes. Guess that’s a coincidence huh. Coaches scheme players execute. He’s a special player. 2. I definitely agree with the Bills part. Hopefully more is invested in the Oline this offseason. As for the Chiefs, after 2018 they invested heavily in defense as well. New coordinator. Paid big $ to Frank Clark. Gave Chris Jones a big extension. Then last year drafted almost all defensive players. The difference is they hit on their picks whereas Bills missed for the most part. 3. Agreed. Reid is very good with oline development. 4. Disagree with this. If Diggs and Davis are on KC they’d be unstoppable. I don’t think there’s a lack of playmakers on the Bills because I believe Allen is elite and can elevate his guys. Again my criticism of Allen is his decision making. From taking check downs to seeing the field better so turnovers can be minimized. I also have no doubt he’ll work hard this offseason on those things. Hard disagree. Juju is a slow possession wr that has knee issues. If Davis has a decent year in ‘23 he’ll get a bigger contract than Juju for sure.

To me Burrow benefits from his great WRs not the other way around. So he isn’t the playmaker that Mahomes and Allen are. As for Mahomes…let’s see. His first start in a meaningless game made Albert Wilson (who? Exactly) seemed like an all pro. Helped him get a huge contract that offseason. Made guys like Chris Conley, DeMarcus Robinson, Pringle seem like competent receivers. Until they flame out after signing with other teams. And, of course, this past season. Almost everyone said he would struggled without Hill. Yet he thrived with other teams castoff jag’s. MVS, JuJu, Toney. All guys that their teams didn’t want. Barely #2 guys let alone #1. Won a superbowl with these jokers. Imagine what he’d be able to do with Davis on their team.

Again with the excuses. Allen started the season like gang buster but tailed off badly as the season progressed. Playing badly and throwing int’s that cost games preventing the Bills from getting the #1 seed. It has happened in previous years like the 9-6 loss to Jax. Inexplicable and inexcusable. I was hopeful that he’d learned from those experiences to propel deeper in the playoffs this year and possibly win a superbowl. Obviously that didn’t happen so here’s hoping he’ll do better next year. The team hasn’t achieved its ultimate goal so there will be criticisms across the board including the qb. Unless you think he’s a perfect product as it stands and doesn’t need improvements. You stated he’s ‘not perfect’ but continue to deflect all criticisms away to others. Again criticizing his mistakes doesn’t mean he isn’t great. The point with Mahomes is his mistakes usually don’t cause his team to miss out on the best chance of winning a championship. His worse performance was probably the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game in ‘21. So what did he do…worked hard in the offseason to learned from it then came back in ‘22 to win it all. That is what I’m hoping Allen would be able to do. That ability to learn and overcome is also among the things that separates the two of them for now.

Here we go. In the same post saying Allen isn’t perfect but beyond criticism apparently. Always something else. Can’t possibly be him when things go bad. A quick YouTube search would also yield boneheaded interceptions from Allen. Throwing straight to a Jets defender while rolling right. Getting baited by Peterson in the end zone vs Minnesota. Guess it was his Oline that made up threw those picks. Or the poor play design by Dorsey to throw straight to DBs. Allen is a great qb. There’s no need to protect him from mistakes he would surely own up to. These are things that he would have to improve if the Bills are to win a championship. I have also said the Oline needs to be better. That doesn’t mean Allen is absolved of his mistakes.

Any quick YouTube search and you can find Mahomes running around when the pocket collapsed and still made plays. To say that the superbowl where 4 of his lineman were out is proof that he can’t handle pressure is ridiculous. Allen is great. I think he has more potential than a lot of people here do. He doesn’t need a great roster to carry him like a Jalen Hurst does. Doesn’t need 2 bona fide stud WRs to win like Burrow. Just invest in the oline. Having a #1 target like Diggs. All the other weapons can be average. Have a decent defense that get stops on occasions. Then it’s on him to prove he can win it all. That’s what elite, historic, hof talent would be able to do.

Of course I agree that Reid put Mahomes in the position to succeed. What I’m saying, that most on here won’t acknowledge, is that Mahomes has to execute. And he has to the tune of never been in the history of the league. That can’t be chalked up as ‘schemes’. The guy is just special. That doesn’t mean Allen isn’t great. I’d put him second. Ahead of Burrows. Once Allen matures a little bit with adversities he’ll learn from his mistakes and take the next steps. Chiefs aren’t going to win every year so there’s opportunities for the Bills to get 1 or more.

I absolutely do. Look at their roster. Their receiver room is full of castoff jag’s. With Reid’s playbook and Mahomes decision making Davis would look good for sure. Yes you’re right. Part of the blame, maybe a large part, is Dorsey. But the qb has to take some of the blame. Allen is great but he still has a lot to learn. Too many people give him passes when he messes up.

I agree with you about Allen. That’s why I’m not too concerned about Davis needing to be a 1K+ yard #2 for the Bills to win. Allen is not Burrow where the latter needs 2 elite WRs to thrive. Allen is more of a playmaker like Mahomes. They only need 1 true guy and a bunch of complimentary parts. The thing that separate the two now is Allen’s decision making about where to distribute the ball. Defenses will continue to play that 2 high safety shell until he learns how to be patient and check down to move the chains. Let’s hope that learning curve is sooner rather than later.

MVS was considered a #2 with the dropsies and somehow he thrived with KC. When virtually all their receivers went down during the AFC championship game he stepped up. There’s no way MVS is better than Davis. Completely agree that our guys outside of Diggs need to improve.

People who didn’t know weren’t sure. 😂

Unfortunately this will be the narrative until Allen breaks through. The good news is he’s young and there are plenty of time left for a change to more creative coaching.

Yeah and I guess Diggs is a scrub. That best offensive player caller didn’t win until the last few years. Coaches scheme. Players execute. He found 1 helluva guy to execute his plays. For all those Allen attributes you’re touting I wish he sprinkle in some elite decision making. Stop being such a jitterbug under pressure and maybe the turnovers would come down. Right now Mahomes and Burrow are the ones exhibiting that calm trait under pressure. Hopefully Allen can get there. If he can’t Bills won win a championship no matter how much our collective homer minds wish it to be.

Put Gabe on KC and he’d be their WR1. So can’t we the Bills win with him? Why are there people on here that wants to get rid of him?

If you’re the best QB you’d need to make no name guys shine. Just saying… Yeah they just won a superbowl with a ‘muderers’ row of receivers’. Maybe that’s what great qb’s do. Elevate the guys around them. Brown was also a RT that transitioned to LT with the Chiefs. I think it’s safe to say Reid/Veach can identify and develop lineman. Make no mistake. KC will be a top contender again next year.

They changed coach in the middle of all that. Dungy came on starting the 02-03 season. What finally got them over the hump was Peyton Manning matured and started playing better when he faced BB’s defense. When he finally slayed that dragon they won the superbowl. It was also the 5th year of the Dungy/Peyton era. Throughout NFL history no coach/qb combo has ever won their 1st superbowl outside of this 5 year window. This past season was McD/Allen’s 5th season together. Maybe that’s the parallel you can glean from that Colts team. 😂