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Yeah, if true, there is no way to spin this.

I agree with you that signing Daniel Jones to that large contract was a very poor idea and may end up being what dooms Brian Daboll’s tenure in New York (eventually). But back to Daboll as an offensive coordinator, he excelled at finding a way to scheme wide receivers open. He gave Allen easy decisions. Dorsey seems to struggle with this. Think back to our time with Daboll. Do you recall the amount of times that Josh had an easy read, with an open receiver? It was quite often. We rarely ever see this now Instead, we see Alan having to fit balls into extremely tight windows far more often than was done under Daboll.

Equating it to the Bills, I think the Giants are in their 2018 season. Last season they overachieved (like the 2017 Bills), this year they regress, and next year they go for a deep playoff run.

It can be more than one thing. And coaching is definitely part of the problem. We played 2 LB’s against 13 personnel last night. We had Rapp playing pseudo LB lined up as a nickel. I mean… no wonder they were gashing us in the run.

Thank you for correcting to me. I thought the first two were to Steph.

He doesn’t cite where he came up with that number, but anyone watching the game could see that Allen was pressured on more than 20% of his dropbacks. I trust PFF’s number of 43%~.

A lot of blame is (rightfully so) being put on Josh. However, I believe there are several layers to this onion: - Allen’s offensive line has him shook, and has had him shook for about a year now. Allen started the game something like 9 of 10 passing before Spencer Brown was bench pressed into his lap. Then Morse got embarrassingly beat by Quinnen Williams on the deep seam interception which rushed Allen’s throw/decision making. Allen was under pressure close to 50% of his dropbacks (stat below). That is unacceptable. - I believe that there is one mind he respected and trusted in the Bills coaching staff, and that mind is now on the Giants payroll. - My hypothesis is that Diggs emotions, desire to win and desire get the ball has put pressure on Josh that is not conducive to him playing well. It often feels like Josh is forcing the ball to Diggs. - Coaching in general has been poor. Why do we only have 2 linebackers on the field when the Jets are playing 13 personnel? We really want a safety playing pseudo-LB?

It WAS our pick. The one we traded to Minnesota for Diggs.

I think Diggs is a contributing factor (though not the only one) of Allen’s slump. I do not think it’s any coincidence that 2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs. It doesn’t excuse them, but it does make me wonder if Allen is attempting to appease. Edit: A few posters pointed out that one of the interceptions I thought was intended for Diggs was actually intended for Hardy.

2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs downfield. Of course Allen has to know not to do that, but I can’t help but wonder if Diggs non-stop chirping has led to Allen feeling like he must feed him. I know hindsight is 20/20 and i’m sure this opinion won’t be popular, but I believe it’s clear that we should have kept our first round pick and used it on Jefferson, rather than trading for Diggs.

The Bengals, in my opinion. They were steamrolled by a remarkably average (though solid) Browns team. We lost to the best defense in the NFL because our QB switched brains with Nathan Peterman.

In which case McDermott would have gone through 3 offensive coordinators, 1 defensive coordinator, and 1 special teams coordinator, as head coach. At what point does the onus fall on him?

I believe the Giants are in their 2018 season (comparing to us). They overachieved last season, just like we did in 2017, and surprise-made the playoffs in Daboll’s first year, just like McDermott. I think this year they rebuild a bit and next year is when they break out. Just my opinion. Giving Daniel Jones that contract, though, was a mistake, in my opinion

Oh I forgot about that. *cringe*

Rousseau was excellent.

Yeah, we let the wrong coach leave. Daboll and McDermott didn’t see eye to eye. Perhaps there is more to that and we are seeing it now.

Just my opinion, but I think an NFL player has to catch this.

This game did feel like a continuation of 2022. As if the off-season was a long bye-week.

Agreed. I also think he would have caught the ball Knox dropped in OT, had he been in the same position as Knox.

This thread reminded me that Allen was something like 9/10 before Spencer Brown was bench pressed into Allen’s lap. The pressure certainly took its toll on him. Not an excuse for Allen, but a point of data.

Jordan still has the heart of a lion, and I will always love him for that, but father time is slowly robbing him of his reflexes and burst.

We will win plenty of regular season games, but I agree, we will not be hoisting a Lombardi trophy under McDermott’s watch. It would have been impossible for ownership to pull off and not be ridiculed endlessly if it didn’t work out, but Daboll should be our head coach right now. It is no coincidence that Josh has looked the way Josh has looked since Daboll left.

Great point. Zach was due a turnover. He already had his one good drive of the game.

That’s exactly right. The most likely occurrence in overtime would be an offense stalling on any given drive. It’s not the only possibility, but it’s the most likely. Therefore, given the most likely scenario, kicking off, would likely result in the Jets putting back to us. Even if we had driven the field and kicked a field goal (how many of us realistically thought our offense was getting into the end zone?), we would still need to kick off to the Jets and give them an opportunity to match or beat us. The logic, in my opinion, it’s easily favoring kicking off.