SaulGoodman

You’re proving my point for me. People would have laughed in your face if you suggested Reid was better than Belichick 5 years ago. And he was a mile away from the GOAT conversation. He was fired by Philly for God’s sake, and took a lot of heat from Chiefs fans early on. Reid was 11-13 in the playoffs before Mahomes. 15-3 with Mahomes. Well, of course people are going to put a lot of the blame on the losing coach. Just like Reid dealt with for 20 years. Media narratives aren’t always fair. If the Bills make a few more plays in the 13 seconds game and this year, the narrative about McD is completely different. I’m not saying that McD personally deserves a lot of credit for developing Allen. I meant the staff in general. The bottom line is that Allen’s had good coaching, and the defensive coaching has been very good as well. All those injuries you guys talked about and yet they still finished, what…4th in total defense?

Well, respect for Reid nationally (and locally) increased 1000% after Mahomes became the starter. That’s no coincidence. And McNabb and Vick were pretty talented. Alex Smith had by far the best season of his career in 2017, and Mahomes doubled his TD total in his first year. Many of you give little credit to McDermott and his staff, but he’s a pretty damn solid coach. Went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and a weak roster. Hell, one of the “genius” plays that Reid’s praised for was stolen from the Bills. The occasional questionable decision doesn’t make McD a vastly inferior coach. As good as he is, Andy’s made a hell of a lot of questionable decisions in his career too, and it’s no secret that he’s struggled with clock management over the years. Andy’s done a nice job of developing Mahomes, but does McD get any credit for what Allen’s become? Especially considering how raw and inaccurate he was early on. The difference in perspective among different fanbases is funny to me. On a Broncos board, they’ll say Andy Reid is an awful playoff coach being carried by Mahomes. And they hate Mahomes for obvious reasons.

Before you call somebody an idiot, you might want to actually read the conversation. I was told that few were predicting or expecting a Buffalo win (and especially not a comfortable win). I didn't say that I was surprised to see predictions of a Buffalo win. And while I'd expect to see a lot of predictions of a Bills win, if fans were so concerned about injuries and felt they were at a disadvantage, I wouldn't expect to see a lot of predictions of blowouts. Would you? But there were many.

You haven't seen anyone claim that Reid is the main reason Mahomes has won at this rate, and that Allen would have like 6 SBs if he played for Reid?

If that were true, KC would probably have another SB victory. Probably wouldn't have been sweating at the end of the AFCC last year either if they hadn't been down Sneed, Gay and 4 of their 5 best WRs, with a limping QB.

There are a lot of people here that pull the "no respect" card, but I'm not one of them. Sure, some people are too salty to give credit to Mahomes, but he gets plenty of credit from experts and talking heads.

I'm not rubbing anything in anybody's face and I've had plenty of encouraging things to say about the Bills and Allen (I.E. that he and Mahomes are in a tier of their own, he'll get at least one ring, the Bills roster and coaching staff are better than many think, etc). But I get it. You hate the big, bad Chiefs and all their fans, so it doesn't really matter what we say.

I couldn’t care less what Bengals fans are doing. Is your take that KC is the only team to benefit from the occasional questionable call? In both games you mentioned, the most impactful calls went against the Chiefs (TD wiped off the board and an INT negated vs Cincy, plus a very iffy call that wiped out a defensive score vs the Eagles). The Chiefs were also the only team to have a TD erased by penalty in this year’s postseason and it happened twice. KC’s been one of the most penalized teams in the league and their opponents are rarely penalized. Yet people think it’s the opposite due to a couple calls in last year’s playoffs. Conveniently ignoring the massive calls that go against them. Which call was egregiously bad in the SB by the way? Rules experts said the holding call was correct and there are pics of Bradberry grabbing Smith-Schuster’s jersey. I don’t think it was a blatant foul but it was a foul by the rules.

You aren’t seriously under the impression that everyone agrees with you that this was an egregiously bad call, right? Dude was a at least two yards out of bounds. 🤣

Which calls were egregiously bad?

Speaking of luck, do the Bills even make the playoffs if Toney isn't called for offensive offside?

Try Hooked on Phonics. You can thank me later.

You might want to read what I was responding to and then it will make sense.

I did see some posters voicing concern about the injury to Bernard and such in various threads, but if you pull up the pregame predictions thread, you'll see that almost everyone predicted the Bills to win. Most by multiple scores.

Again, I'm not triggered by anything here and I'm obviously not expecting to see lavish praise for KC or Mahomes. I just think there are some silly narratives floating around. Before the game in Buffalo, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that the Bills had the advantage at most positions and would win comfortably, and then go on to win the SB. People were saying the Bills had rounded into form and were playing at an elite level. After the game, the narrative immediately changed to "Mahomes has way more talent around him and Andy Reid, so of course he should have won."

But you're preaching to the choir, man. KC's defenses have been worse than Buffalo's every year before this one. In both the regular season and postseason. They've allowed 30+ in 5 playoff games and played poorly in several others. As beebe has pointed out, Buffalo's defense has played fine against just about everyone but KC. Allen has the same problem as every other QB in the league. His defense can't shut down KC. Sure, you can talk about the SB in Tampa or the second half vs Cincy a few years ago, but those are outliers. I see people mention Buffalo's loss to Cincinnati a lot. Do you think Cincinnati's 27 points were the problem, or the 10 pts that the Bills scored? Who are you going to beat in the playoffs with 10 pts? 27 was a pretty average number for that Bengals team. You can't expect to shut down offenses of that caliber, especially in the postseason. Let me ask you this...prior to this year, how do you think KC's defenses would have fared against their offenses in the playoffs? If there were a way to prove it, I'd bet you any amount you wanted that they'd fare worse than Buffalo has.

Which parts are delusional?

Hey, you said it, not me. I think Allen will get at least one along the way. S'all good, man! Well, let's see, as a KC fan....Allen was really inaccurate his first couple years....plus, I've learned on this board that he needs an elite defense across the board and elite offensive talent at every position to get it done, so by the board's logic that number would have to be closer to 0?

How miserable do you have to be to get this upset over a few tame posts? I'm not miserable in the slightest about perceived slights. I was just pointing out the irony of someone calling me insecure, when this entire board has been dripping with insecurity for weeks. What does a KC fan have to be insecure about right now? Mahomes and Reid are now being mentioned in the GOAT conversation (Kelce too), they went back to back in what were supposed to be rebuilding years, and with the right moves, could have their best team ever next year. That's not bragging or rubbing it in....I'm just laughing at the notion that I or KC fans in general are insecure. I'm not sure the fanbase has ever been more secure.

Don't get it twisted....I'm not triggered by anything I've read here. In fact, I'm probably one of the least triggered people on this board, if you've been following the last few weeks. This is one of the most annoying things that people say. Why not take it as a compliment to your board that other fans want to post here? You act like I've been posting here hourly for years, or as if no rival fans (including Buffalo fans) post on KC boards. I generally post on message boards when I need to kill a little time while working at my desk. But I get bored with just a few sites to rotate from, especially if they're low-traffic, so I occasionally seek out others. And this one was interesting to me and has more traffic than most.

LOL. I'm well aware that there are some Bills fans here that give credit to KC, but whatever you say. The "insecure" comment is funny. Every other thread on here is downplaying the Chiefs' success to prop up your team, whining about alleged media opinions of Allen and the Bills, convincing yourselves that KC only beats the Bills due to luck and/or injuries, freaking out over Nick Wright's latest comment, etc.

It wasn't an attack. You're the one being sensitive here. I was just making a point. I'm assuming you don't consider first rounder Elam a luxury, even after two years. And at this point I definitely wouldn't consider FAU a luxury either. He might ultimately be a bust...who knows. But I think you know that some players take longer, especially when they aren't thrown into the fire right away.

Yes, I'm sure. And why would that be so surprising? Don't you guys all think that Allen had a much better season? No, I think Mahomes gets a ton of respect from the media. Not so much here, but I get it. I think Bills fans should be plenty content with Allen. Content enough to acknowledge that he isn't disrespected by, frankly, anyone but Nick Wright...who only does it to troll you guys (and very successfully I might add).

I mean, it probably hasn't been said much since the SB, but there were definitely some saying it before the game in Buffalo. And I remember seeing an ESPN graphic that gave Buffalo the edge at QB.

Where did I say anything about the media? But while we're on the subject, virtually everyone in the media licks Allen's balls, and some claim he's the better QB, despite not having near the accomplishments. Yet many of you pull the disrespect card constantly.