[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

13 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Next year is a rebuild year. The only way we get the #1 seed is if McDermott can get decent defensive results with less talent, and we hit on a rookie WR.

 

The goal should be making the playoffs, possibly winning the division and see what happens after that.

No different from every other year under McDermott with an, on paper, stronger roster.

[Bills Draft Rd 1 - Pick 28]

Trade down for a couple more round two picks.

[It may not be fair to Brady but we need to expand our search for offensive coordinator]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I definitely agree that Brady shouldn’t be awarded the job, but I’d love to hear what HIS system would look like. 

Agreed. He deserves an interview but he hasn’t done nearly enough to simply walk into the post.

[Pick 3 Current Bills You Would Pick To Start A Team With]

2 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

If you had to pick 3 current Bills to start over with and build a team, who would you pick? My choices are:

 

1. Josh Allen (obvious choice)

2. Matt Milano (heart and soul of the defense, makes clutch plays) 

3. Dion Dawkins (loves the mafia/community and great LT’s are hard to come by)

Depends who else you can pick on the roster. Is it anyone from the league? If so, with a heavy heart, do you say Mahomes ahead of Josh? And, if so, have the Bills got anyone on the roster who would be first pick for any other team. Perhaps that’s where the issue lies.

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

He is winning with very few offensive weapons and two poor tackles. Come on now it's ok to give him his props. I don't care for the guy but I do have to admit his greatness. 

 

Josh is also great but it will be overshadowed by his playoff losses and lack of SB rings. 

 

Without the ring he will always be looked at with an asterisk. Right now, he's seen as Mahomes little B. 0-3 in head to head match ups. 

I appreciate you’re specifically referring to the post season, but taking all games into account it’s 3-4. Basically a 50/50 split between the two.

[Gabe Davis was missed]

36 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Unpopular opinion here but I and many others shrugged Gabe being inactive as no big deal.

I thought he'd be missed in the run game a bit and that's it.

I was dead wrong, there's no doubt in my mind he catches at least 1, if not both bombs to Sherfield,  which would have been game changers... As well as the bomb to Diggs

 

As I said elsewhere, it’s a possibility but considering the route/communication issues revolving around him all season it’s just as likely he would have been standing in a completely different spot.

[Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)]

5 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

7 points in the second half yesterday.  13 seconds he threw two tds in the last two minutes.  Why is this thread still going?   It’s like the Klein covering kelce of threads.  

As great as he was during the 13 seconds game, the Chiefs were a mess defensively, tripping over themselves as Einstein said, and he had support from the rest of the offense through the game. How many drops were there during 13 seconds? And last night? Arguably, he was a key component during 13 seconds but not the be all and end all. Last night, bar Kincaid early on, he had to do everything.

 

Having slept on it, I’m in two minds about the final drive, but can see why he threw deep. It’s a shame that’s going to detract what he did for through the rest of the game.

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

Who knows if Shakir drops it or tips it for pick if the throw got there. You can say what ifs for any and everything. The Bills were trying to bleed the clock. Scoring there would give the chefs the ball with plenty of time and timeouts when we can’t stop them. Throwing to Diggs was the correct play. 

Though do you take the TD when the opportunity presents itself, rather than check down because there might be a chance on the next set of downs?

 

I don’t know. I feel Josh carried the Bills all night and am split whether he let us down in the end. Can see the arguments from both sides.

[As we start Bills offseason- two things will bring me happiness these dark days]

Whoever wins the AFC it’ll be non stop praise of Jackson and Mahomes. Not looking forward to either; if I do watch it it will be on mute.

 

Hoping for a horrific 3-0 game where Justin Tucker kicks a 99 yard FG in overtime.

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

7 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

While Josh played well for most part I think mahomes takes the diggs throw instead of throwing it to Shakir in end zone as we wanted to run clock there and not score right away giving the chefs time to score. If that happens I think the Bills win. Mahomes understands that part of the game where Allen fights it. 

I think the Diggs or Shakir option is a toss up which one is the one to take. As others have said, who knows if Diggs would have dropped it anyway? Or fumbled? Or there would be a tipped interception on the next play? Where the opportunity is there to try for a TD, should it be taken?

13 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Unpopular opinion- Gabe Davis was missed WAY more than we or I expected. 

 

He definitely brings in at least 1 if not both of the long balls to Sherfield..

 

Those are game changers in this type of game 

He might have done if he’d run the right route but, based on this season, he would have probably been standing next to Diggs or Shakir instead.

[Where does this regime go from here?]

23 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

This is correct. We need a QB that doesn't mentally collapse in big situations 

Oh pray tell, who do you want and how do we get him?

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Let’s not forget McD essentially traded Mahomes to KC so that he would kick our asss every year…talk about sealing your fate before you ever even play a game…

Just sums up the Bills luck. I said it last night - they got Josh and Diggs. What did the Chiefs and Vikings get in return? Mahomes and Jefferson. Typical.

 

Saying that, IMO Mahomes is no better than Josh. Switch them around and I still think the Bills would have lost last night, dare I say by a slightly bigger margin. 

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

McDermott is secured for another season because he led us to the 2nd seed and we won another Wild Card playoff game.

 

His future beyond that depends on next season.

 

And if the Bills manage that again next year? Same again? How many times are they going to repeat the same thing? There are good coaches about this off season, and the Bills would be number one location for most. Might not be able to say the same thing in 2025. They need to take advantage now. Look at the Bucs axing Dungy, or the Eagles cutting Reid. McDermott may still be successful elsewhere but his time should be up here.

[Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

 

I still feel Josh could have done better on the final drive but, excluding that, he was basically the offense last night. He had very little support other than Kincaid early on. In comparison, Mahomes didn't have to look far for help.

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Might be true overall but he was near flawless reads wise in this game imo…I think people are taking what romo said before he even diagnosed the full play a little too seriously lol just because diggs was open for a pitch and catch doesn’t mean shakir wasn’t open for a pitch and catch td 

I think the Diggs or Shakir question is perhaps a matter of preference. I thought throwing to Diggs would have meant Josh could throw it a moment sooner, which would have meant an unaffected pass. He needed to be aware Dawkins was in full reverse to his left. I admit I could be wrong; perhaps he would have needed a similar amount of time for both. If so… not fussed about going for the TD.

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Agree. I watched about a half dozen plays of last years. Just no real interest in watching that team. 

In truth I want the 49ers to win now (sorry, Lions, but if the Bills can’t get over the line…) but feel either the Ravens or Chiefs will run over them.

 

Yeuch.

[Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

How many plays were run on that last drive BEFORE the final two passes?  FOURTEEN!  In the Bills 5 scoring/missed FG drives they ran 14, 11, 12, 15 & 16 plays. It's amazing that the Bills didn't have a TO or a couple of big penalties or a sack.  In total the Bills ran 78 plays to the Chiefs 47.

 

And it was 2nd & 9 not 1st and 10 so we had to be more aggressive if we were trying to score a TD and not a FG there. And for the record Allen could not step into that throw because the left tackle was pushed into him as he let it lose.

 

We should have used more play action throws on 1st down but of course the offense was working diligently on protecting McD's Defense.  On the one play action pass in the 4th quarter Allen threw a great deep ball that Diggs dropped. 

 

Again Allen plays out of his mind yet we think if we could just squeeze a little bit more magic out of the guy we can win games like this. IMO that is insane and condemns the Bills to making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

 

Think it’s fair to say Josh could improve his reads (he’d be unquestionably #1 QB if he did) AND desperately needs more help. 

[Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)]

Just now, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

If you put any of about 28 other QBs on our team instead we'd have been blown out.

If the Bills had any other QB other than Mahomes then they wouldn’t even be in the play offs.

 

I think the reason why so many are down on Josh for that final series is he is a world class talent.  But, at times, reads let him down and it’s been a reoccurring theme. I hope, if possible, it’s a real focus of the off season.

[The Three Plays that Cost us the Game]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

It would have been incomplete to Diggs just as much as it was incomplete to Shakir because he was hit as he threw the ball. Wtf are you babbling about.

He could have thrown it to Diggs sooner, rather than having to wait for Shakir’s route to develop.

 

Of course, Diggs may have dropped it.

[Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah you know what the defense does after getting run on all of the first half, they creep up, and that's when you hit them deep to both capitalize on it and make them honest.

To hit them deep you need receivers who can catch.

[Where does this regime go from here?]

31 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

In my mind, our best shot will be when Andy Reid retires. As long as he's there, the offense will continue to be an unstoppable machine. Allen played a great game that would have been good enough to beat most teams today, but Mahomes was flawless and their offense was unstoppable. If today didn't put to bed the ridiculous notion around here that Mahomes is in anyway inferior to Josh, than nothing will. I say that to take nothing away from the incredible and elite talent that Allen is, but only to say that your strategy simply can't be to have Allen go out there and outperform Mahomes in the playoffs, because it will never happen.

We scored methodically today, but KC scored at will. We're going to need an historically good defense and an offensive scheme to rival theirs. The former may never happen, and I can't see the latter happening as long as Andy Reid is coaching and our personnel talent pool is limited exclusively to people who have worked in North Carolina.

Mahomes was not flawless. And he was not flawless up against a battered defense.

[The Three Plays that Cost us the Game]

I’ve already criticised Josh for the final drive on what was otherwise a good evening for him. But any criticism for Dawkins for allowing Jones to have his way with him? If he’d held his ground, just for one more second, it could have been a TD.

[So we're firing McD, right?]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This still makes me giggle…firing schottenheimer for norv turner was probably one the biggest mistakes made by an nfl franchise in history and its being used as a ‘we should fire our head coach’ argument for some reason lol 

 

The mistake wasn’t firing Schottenheimer, though. At some point Pegula will understand the purpose of the season is not to bow out with the defense waving the white flag in the divisional round.

 

The only plus is at least Josh was on form for most of the game so it wasn’t an embarrassment like the Bengals last year.

[So we're firing McD, right?]

1 minute ago, Breakout Squad said:

Bringing up the Mahomes debate at this point is ridiculous. It’s done and over. Mahomes didn’t have a winning record in college but you and Andy Reid knew he was going to be a superstar? 

It does sum up the Bills luck though - two big trades, for Josh and Diggs. What do the other teams get in return? Mahomes and Jefferson. I mean… seriously?!

[So we're firing McD, right?]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

13 seconds

wide right

 

What are the names of his other losses? I forget.

Hail Murray.