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  1. 16 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

    Pardon me for being blunt about it, but you have to realize that Beane takes the best player available in the early rounds.   He isn't looking his roster.   (Now, of course, if the BPA is a QB, Beane's not taking him.)   

     

    If the BPA at 30 had been a corner, Beane would have taken him and probably hoped that one of Rousseau or Basham fell to him in the second round.   He may even have tried to trade up.   But Beane said that the corners they liked always were gone before their pick came.  

     

    What Beane said was that Rousseau was his BPA at 30 - and happily filled a need, and Basham was a clear BPA in the next round, and he plays a "premium position."  In essence, he said maybe you can have too many good punters, but you can't have too many good defensive ends.  

     

    I hear what you're saying about Epenesa and all, and the answer is that McDermott and Beane don't care.   They want the best talent they can get, and they'll figure out what to do with it.  Who knows what's going to happen?  Maybe Rousseau turns into a tackle and they trade Oliver.   Or they trade Epenesa.   Or one of them has a career-altering injury.   McBeane aren't concerned about that today (even though it confuses you and me).  They just aren't.   Take the best players you can get and figure out what to do with them later.  

    What's great about Rousseau is that he's played effectively as a DT, so he should be able to rotate inside and outside. Hell, he could probably play LB in a pinch, who knows. Guy is a freak.

  2. 5 hours ago, BigDingus said:

     

    And that's why I think it's silly when fans criticize the jumping through tables or the "BillsMafia" name in general...

    They've raised the profile for the team in a positive way just as much as the recent on-field play has. Yes, a lot of people think we're crazy, but they also know of the Bills now, know the fans are diehard supporters, think of the fun people have instead of "it's just a cold, washed up town," etc.

    The fact people are excited to come here, so much so that they're willing to dive onto a folding table & risk injury, just shows how the image has improved dramatically. 

    No more "depressing & cold" and way more "high energy & excitement!"

    Idk, I appreciate Big Spence doing this but that's a very large and heavy man. Thankfully, his form was perfect but this very easily could have gone wrong. I'd rather not see this become a trend.

     

    On a different note, I'm hoping that Brown can adequately play guard. My dream scenario for this season is that he takes over as starter from whoever is doing worse between Ford and Mongo. I guess super dream is that him and Doyle can supplant both.

     

  3. 13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

    I don’t think it’s absurd to compare him to some great players because Rousseau has unique traits.  On the flip side I think it’s telling that Beane went with another defensive end in the 2nd round.  Rousseau is very hard to project.  That’s why he was available at pick 30.  

    I don't think it's very telling. Beane was about to trade down but viewed Basham as a massive value pick that he couldn't pass up.

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  4. 54 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

    I know it’s way too early to be talking about next year’s draft, but look who’s being mocked to the Bills!!

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    Oh a repeat of TB vs. KC in the SB! A repeat of BAL and KC for the Bills! A repeat of both championship games, actually!

     

    Man, how lazy.

     

    Also, these are dumb and pointless.

  5. 57 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

    Man..my old Bills fan self from pre McBeane era almost came through

     

     

    I was about to post "would Ertz pick us to sign with?"

     

    Then I remembered how good we are.

     

    Of course he would

    I have a bad feeling, with their "good" draft + Fields + his wife, Ertz might actually want to go to da Bears.

  6. 22 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

    I would be surprised if he led the team in sacks, but I do agree he's primed for a breakout year. He certainly doesn't have the sheer athleticism of Rousseau, but he is extremely coordinated, and has, I think, a remarkable ability to throw opponents off balance. Also, at least towards the end of last season, for someone whose knock was that he was slow, he sure looked pretty fast. 

    He was slow because he was heavier in college. He lost weight and that's why he's faster.

     

    I swear no one ever factors this in to why he suddenly got better near the end of the season.

  7. 7 hours ago, NoSaint said:


    you don’t think 31 other GMs are saying the same thing about the extra $25m they could’ve spent and having to likewise readjust spending plans too?

    There were sooooo many teams in a worse spot. How do we know Beane didn't try to get guys like Lawson? There are 31 other teams in the league who are also trying to sign those players.

  8. 2 hours ago, Logic said:

    Of course there was something like this.

    When 1st round caliber prospect fall down draft boards, it's almost always due to either medical concerns or character concerns. This year, with the lack of medical information teams were receiving, there were bound to be a few of these types of falls.

    Inevitably, when a team finally does draft them, its fans are certain that said team got the steal of the draft. Sometimes, that turns out to be the case. Rob Gronkowski slipped down draft boards due to back problems, and he had a Hall of Fame career Other times, the medical concerns follow a player into the pros. Leighton Vander Esch is a good example.

    Hopefully JOK is not hindered by his condition and goes on to have a good career --  except for when the Browns play the Bills. Then I hope he comes down with a recurrent severe hangnail and rides the pine out of an abundance of caution.

    Wonder if this was the case with Moehrig, too.

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  9. 5 hours ago, AmishRifle said:


    I’ll take a stab at this as no one else has yet.  Richard Sherman is extremely outspoken on a variety of issues in the league and in life.  I think it’s a turn off for some that he comments so much on everything and draws unnecessary attention to himself.  Most importantly, he almost killed Dan Carpenter!  

    You mean like Diggs when he was a Viking?

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  10. 27 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

     

    Why is Sherman a bad cultural fit? Any time a guy turns himself into a WWII era tank, that's a bad fit. Sets a bad example. 

     

     

    Sherman tank.gif

    While your answer is cute, I don't think it's the actual reason. From everything I've seen, Sherman seems like a pretty good dude, and he's probably one of the smartest corners ever. 

  11. 3 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

    Really?  Let me just ask you, how much has Murphy’s contribution been since he was signed? Let’s take a look at Norman, how about the guaranteed money to sign our inactive 3rd-ish string running back or the 10M a year for a non-Star at 1 tech, maybe take a look at last years defensive disaster he managed to put out there, with all of his lineman he signed being so bad they were forced to take pay cuts or leave, this is the Messiah you are following?  He signed exactly one starting player this offseason, a 34 year old “speed” receiver after releasing one, who could have been restructured for far less based on his new contract.   Which, hey, let’s talk about 9M a year for Brown?  How about that deal?  Man, this guy is greatness defined.

    I liked the part where you ignored everything good he's done.

     

    The Star contract is literally the only thing that is notably bad. The rest, you are nitpicking.

  12. 3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

    Really disappointed in the Edmunds news, not a good move from a simple financial options play.  Beane does a lot of things right, but contracts is not his strongest suite.  He has consistently over spent on mediocre talent, hope he gets better about it in the future.

    It's stunning that you could watch this offseason unfold and come away with this conclusion.

  13. 5 hours ago, BarleyNY said:


    Chart shows a compilation of draft grades.  We all know that there’s limited value in immediate draft grades, but they’re something to discuss now that we are entering the post draft NFL void.  Flame away 

    Basically, if you ignore your own scouts and pick according to the consensus lists, you had a great draft.

     

    That's what these always are. Realistically, no one really knows how this will turn out. It was inevitable the Bills would end up in a spot like this because all they took were basically unknowns with known quantities still on the board. This FO has given me no reason to doubt them, and if Mel Kiper and the PFF guys were better than team scouting departments, they'd be working in them.

     

    Sidenote, but I am very weary of Justin Fields after finding out he's going vegan. People might laugh that off, but think about the best athlete you know of who is vegan. The Blue Jays got Josh Donaldson prior to 2015, and that year he won MVP. Over the course of his time here, he started dating a militant vegan. All of a sudden, he was constantly injured, despite it not really being an issue in the past. His play sharply declined. I do not think Fields will be a success story, especially in a more physical sport.

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  14. 7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

    The Chiefs entered the off season after getting man handled in the Super Bowl because their O-line had fallen apart.  They blew up their O-line and decided to rebuild.  On paper at least, they look to have improved the line.  They signed Joe Thuney to a 5 year $80 million contract and he will slide into the left guard position.  They then signed Kyle Long to a one year deal to step into the right guard position.  They resigned Mike Remmers to play right tackle and then traded with the Ravens for Orlando Brown to step in as their left tackle.  They signed Austin Blythe from the Rams to play center, and then drafted the 2nd ranked center, Creed Humphrey, to push Blythe and develop into their future center.  The only free agent they lost of any consequence was Sammy Watkins which should not slow them down much.

     

    I think on the whole the O-line is upgraded and they kept the rest of the band together.  I don't see any reasonable argument to say the Chiefs shouldn't remain the #1 seed in the AFC heading into the 2021 season.

     

    The Browns will leap frog us this season and be the primary threat to the Chiefs.   If you look at the playoffs last year, the Browns came within a fumbled football out of the endzone from beating the Chiefs.  The Bills by comparison didn't even make a game of it against the Chiefs.  The Browns' roster seems to match up better against the Chiefs, and that was before the Browns very impressive off season.

     

    The defense was the weak side of the ball last season and the Browns attacked this off season with that in mind.  They snagged John Johnson the best free agent safety on the market to address a huge weakness and also added CB Troy Hill who will be an instant upgrade.  They brought in Clowney to stack opposite Miles Garrett on the D-line.  They then drafted CB Greg Newsome and LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah who should both start this season.  The Browns bring back their offense intact and Mayfield will have the benefit of playing in the same offense for the first time in his career.  OBJ will also be back this season.

     

    The Bills did a great job of resigning their key free agents this year and also upgraded the backup QB position.  They brought in Sanders to replace Brown which could be an up grade and added Hollister to the TE room.  We all hope that having Star back will have a ripple effect on the D-line and result in better play across the entire line and allow our LB play to improve as well.  The entire team will benefit from another year of coaching and scheme stability and hopefully some of our young players like Oliver and Edmunds will take a step forward this year.

     

     

    Overview   A lot is made of the Bills retaining their own talent, and I agree that Beane did a great job of maintaining a roster that made it to the AFC Championship game, but the uncomfortable truth is that the Chiefs maintained their roster too AND improved their O-Line.   The Browns also avoided any key free agency loses AND improved their defensive secondary and brought in Clowney on the D-line.  The Browns and Chiefs will also benefit from another year of coaching and scheme stability just like the Bills.

     

    The off season isn't over yet, but the free agency period is winding down and the Draft is over.  Baring injuries, any changes to the rosters of the Chiefs, Browns, and Bills before opening weekend will likely just be on the margins before opening weekend.  When Andy Reid looks out across the AFC, I think he is probably more worried about what is going on in Cleveland than what is going on in Buffalo.  I think the Browns have improved enough this off season to move past us and become the primary threat to the Chiefs this year. 

     

    At this point I'd rank the AFC;    1. Chiefs  2. Browns  3. Bills

    Dude, Clowney sucks. There's a reason no one was rushing to sign him. The Browns had a barely positive point differential last season, and yeah, they've gotten better but can we at least wait until week 2 before we begin the Bills tradition of collectively shitting our pants and declaring the season to be over?

  15. 32 minutes ago, Gen2 said:

    One of the pitfalls of having a good team is there isn't a single player we could have drafted where the fan base would say "NOW we can contend for the Super Bowl". We already have those players in place. We get robbed of picking the over hyped "name player" and are regulated to picking backup strength or potential type of players and it's hard to get excited about those type of picks.

     

    It wasn't fancy or glitzy, as a matter of fact it was kind of boring, but I'm comfortable in the fact that Beane and McD have a plan and they're working toward their end goal, and our scouting department has more expertise in recognizing talent in their little toenail than I will ever have. 

    Not trying to single anyone out, but I don't know how Spencer Brown doesn't count as an exciting pick. I think the top 3 were all very exciting. We didn't grab any middle of the road, high floor guys. You don't win with those. You need elite talent, you have an amazing coaching staff. Naturally, you take guys with insane athletic ability and trust your coaching to mold them into what they need to be. I thought a pick like Kwity Paye would be boring. He'll be a fine player, but you pretty much know what you're getting. Rousseau? Brown? Sky is the limit. They could be elite players or complete busts. That is the complete opposite of boring.

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  16. 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

    Fair enough, that's a take on what I said.  But I think you missed the point.  The point was that McBeane don't think the Bills have holes that need filling.  Sure, they always want more talent, and they went and got it.  But there was no sense of urgency.  They didn't chase after anyone, not a running back, not an offensive line solution, not a corner.  Nothing a lot of fans thought was essential. 

    There are a lot of options remaining in FA. If the Bills don't do anything there, then complaining is warranted.

     

    Also, just because fans think something is essential (like an new RB, TE) doesn't mean it actually is. The only quibble I have with this offseason is the contract to Feliciano. Is he a starter, is he not? Objective data shows he's not great and better guards were signing for slightly more. Other than that, this team really doesn't need massive improvement. I'm glad they went with guys like Brown and Doyle over some higher floor/lower ceiling guys. When you're in the position the Bills are in, you can afford to take potential studs who are pretty raw.

     

  17. 4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

    Well, it's an endless debate, but here's what I think having watched the Bills this off-season:   The offensive line protected Allen pretty well, it didn't run block very well at all, and the running backs struggled.   What did Beane do?   He stood pat.  Acquired one probably mediocre running back, no linemen.  He drafted one project offensive lineman, no impact running back.   

     

    What does that tell me?   It's now obvious that the Bills expect they're going to have success running the ball with what they have.  That McDermott and Beane think they can succeed without more talent.  In particular, it means that they think offensive line play is about teamwork, not talent. 

    The leaps in logic here are amazing. You go from "the Bills didn't sign or draft what I consider to be a good RB, and drafted an O-Lineman who I'm going to charitably project as a non-factor" to "so basically, Beane doesn't think that talent in the O-Line is important at all"

     

    10/10

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