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1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:
Thanks. I had listened to a Joe Marino podcast that went position group by position group for the whole division, and he made points i agreed with. I dont think anyone in the east has a good RB group. Looking more I might give their OL a slight edge for interior play but Tackle is a wash and I think we are better at C. I dont understand off ball LB being better where we have Milano and Edmunds. They have Hightower and JAG. I found those defensive rankings pretty laughable. We were 12th in DVOA last year with a fair number of injuries to our core LBs. I think we return to top 10 pretty easily.
Pretty much every "2021 NFL O-line rankings" hit I got in a google search has them in the top 10, which we are not. Top three hits.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-line-units-entering-2021-season
https://thehuddle.com/2021/06/25/2021-offensive-line-rankings/
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-in-the-nfl-ranked/3/
This site has them at #2 https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/06/which-2021-nfl-teams-will-have-the-best-and-worst-offensive-lines/
I did the same type of search for the other position groups, which is where I came up with what I stated previously. As a Bills fan, I feel you have to look for outside opinions to balance out the internal bias.
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8 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:
Better at every position? There are a lot of draws to me. OL, RB, DL, and Secondary would be draws for me. I would give us the advantage at off ball LB. Obviously they are better at TE as their room is pushing for best in the league. Maybe they have the advantage at DL if youre bullish on Van Noy and Judon but I'm liking what I'm hearing about our dudes.
Its not my personal opinion per se, its what I found at most sites around the web. Their O-line is rated at least 10 spots ahead of ours. Their RB group is rated higher also. As far as defense goes, all of their position groups are rated higher as is their defense overall. Some groups are really close, but overall this seems to be the common outlook: https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/
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1 hour ago, foreboding said:
I was trying to remember all the QBs who started for our team has had since Jim Kelly and before Josh Allen. The list was even longer than I thought, the number in parenthesis is the number of games started by said QB. Not far off from a QB per year since. Crazy and glad the desolation is over.
1997 Todd Collins (13) / Alex Van Pelt (3)1998 Doug Flutie (10) / Rob Johnson (6)
1999 Doug Flutie (15) / Rob Johnson (1)
2000 Rob Johnson (11) / Doug Flutie (5)
2001 Alex Van Pelt (8) / Rob Johnson (8)
2002 Drew Bledsoe (16)
2003 Drew Bledsoe (16)
2004 Drew Bledsoe (16)
2005 J. P. Losman (8) / Kelly Holcomb (8)
2006 J. P. Losman (16)
2007 Trent Edwards (9) / J. P. Losman (7)
2008 Trent Edwards (14) / J. P. Losman (2)
2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick (8) / Trent Edwards (7) / Brian Brohm (1)
2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick (13) / Trent Edwards (2) / Brian Brohm (1)
2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2012 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2013 EJ Manuel (10) / Thad Lewis (5) / Jeff Tuel (1)
2014 Kyle Orton (12) / EJ Manuel (4)
2015 Tyrod Taylor (14) / EJ Manuel (2)
2016 Tyrod Taylor (15) / EJ Manuel (1)
2017 Tyrod Taylor (14) / Nathan Peterman (2)
As I recall the running joke during that period.... Which QB had the most home wins in Buffalo? Tom Brady..... 🤪
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8 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:
I hear those talking heads as well picking the Pats. I don’t see how anyone with eyes could! They are at best the 2nd best team in the East and maybe even 3rd best but I believe Miami going take a step back with Tua.
like you said it’s a new year and anything can happen. Maybe the Bills suffer the injury bug like the 49ers did last year making the East wide open.. Maybe Allen takes a step back for some odd reason (I doubt it), or maybe Jones is the second coming of Brady. We don’t have a clue.. so let’s just enjoy the season.
There's many scenarios, but what I keep coming back to is that we have a superstar QB1 and WR1, solid WR's overall, and NE is better at every other position group on both sides of the ball. All of our eggs are in one basket (passing game, JA17 being a superstar). To me, thats pretty one dimensional and fragile.
If NE gets somewhere between decent and "good" QB play, they will be a very tough out. I expect to win the division, but its going to be tough and a lot can go wrong.
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Relevant? They don't need us on a Bills board for that. People outside of NE are picking them to win the Div: Which team wins the AFC East this season? Which team wins the AFC East this season? | First Take - YouTube (edit-link not working???)
Newton is likely to be better than last year, he's already showing that in camp apparently. I know in our Bills mafia world that 2020 is Josh's floor and 2020's stats are Newton's ceiling though, right? lol
This brings back warm memories of August homerism on BBMB, where Brady was too old to play about 10 years ago. Just you wait they said.
Its going to be a great season, we're going to win a tough division and the past doesn't mean squat.
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21 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Jimmy G was in the 2nd and Cousins was I THINK a 4th, but I don’t feel like googling. Joe Burrow had an elite offense at LSU w/ receivers open wider than the Grand Canyon and yet nobody gives him the same **** as Mac Jones. Physically, JB was a better physical NFL prospect obviously. MJ was 5 star recruit going into Bama and lived up to that status completely. Yes, he had a great offense, but you still have to get the ball to your playmakers which is the QBs job. His accuracy & ability to anticipate and “throw open” his receivers was top notch. Definitely better than Tua, but a couple notches below Burrow. I just don’t see what you saw when he played for Bama that’s makes him such a bad prospect? Past Alabama QB busts? Wide open WRs? Weaker build? The guy was a Heisman finalist, man.The first measuring stick of whether or not Jones is worth anything is whether or not he can beat out a guy who is a shadow of what he once was. With that defense they've built and solid running game, all they need him to do is not turn it over and distribute the ball within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. They literally used the same game plan 20 years ago to great success. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess, but I'd bet it doesn't create dynasty 3.0
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16 hours ago, just1hugheser said:
I F'ing LOVED those golden years teams(88-99), I was especially awed by the Front Office/Polian and how they were able to amass so much talent, also was inspired by how close those players became with each other after some initial adversity which points toward efficient and smart leadership and management(captains and coaches).
When I looked back some years later the thing that really I still have trouble reconciling is how poorly those teams/coaches were at the X's and O's of the game, superb leadership, good time management, good organization, middling to poor at scheming and counter scheming.
1990 Bills- HC> Marv Levy DC> Walt Corey OC> Ted Marchibroda
nyg- HC> Bill Parcells DC> Bill Belichek OC> Ron Erhardt (also Ray Handley, Charlie Weis, Al Groh, Tom Coughlin, Romeo Crennel)
-anyone who argues they weren't out coached by a mile in this game is just not facing reality, easily the worst of the 4 especially with the talent differential
The next year they get a Charlie Casserly built Redskins led by Joe Gibbs whose staff was not nearly as loaded as the giants and who were more on par with the Bills staff, I actually thought the refs had a huge affect on this game when I re-watched it years later but I'd also say Marv and them got out gameplanned in this one too though not as bad. Really that Redskins teams hammered everyone that year, their only close games were against two good ass teams in the Bengals and Cowboys.
Then of course the two vs dallas both times we looked like we were tired of going and afraid to lose again especially in the 4th where they had a lead at halftime but still looked and acted like they had already lost then they don't even try and counter dallas halftime adjustments i meam c'mon tim tim
For the record 1992/3 cowboys- HC> Jim Johnson DC> Dave Wannestedt/Butch Davis OC> Norv Turner (dave campo, jim eddy, cant seem to find any other position coaches).
Coaching matters a lot, a lot a lot
Agreed on all. I haven't seen it pointed out yet, but to me the most obvious coaching issue was the overall gameplan going in to all 4 match ups. If you have a smaller, fast defense that is going against the road grader O-lines of the NFC East... WHY TF do you run a no huddle offense and leave your defense out there???????????? The Bills O-line was just as good, just as big and just as capable of smash mouth as the NFC East teams and Levy couldn't identify the obvious. The obvious being in the Giants game, we got in the red zone and ran a conventional offense with a FB (Mueller) and deliberately rammed it down the Giants throats and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. We should have beat them at their own game and forced them to pass to keep up.
The Redskins game....They were on a different level of physicality than us, not talent. They punched us in the mouth and we complained rather than punch back harder. Again, coaching and preparation.
Go to YouTube, see for yourselves.
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3 hours ago, Chicharito said:
Anyone reading this don’t go to duffs! Nothing special.
I concur, maybe it was at some point, but not in my last few visits. Way too much vinegar taste in their hot sauce, totally turned me off. Its seems cliche for natives to say that Anchor Bar is all reputation and no substance, but their wings are better than Duffs.
Best Buffalo wings I ever had were actually Saratoga at a place called "Druthers" (micro-brew).
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On 7/24/2021 at 6:46 PM, Buffalo Junction said:
I always hated that narrative. It ignores how White played in several different schemes including a 3-4 in the USFL before joining the Eagles, plus Whites sack totals went down after Simmons came on. Then there’s all the two and three man fronts that Fritz Shurmur used to employ with the Packers: most notably a 3-3 big nickel.
It’s just an impossible argument as to which was definitively better, and the line in the sand is based on personal biases.
That said, I go with Bruce because…. Well…. I’m here and go to Bills games and not on a Packers forum forming prayers about A-Aron. 🤷♂️
ESPN has a compelling argument for White and Bruce isn't even part of it. http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/041230
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1 minute ago, Virgil said:
What's the best place for that?
Charlie the Butcher!
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The best wings in Buffalo is the worst reason to miss Beef on Weck. You can get wings anywhere in the country and beyond, but true blue Buffalo Beef on Weck???
Tell out of town people before they get average wings somewhere and miss the good stuff. Jus sayin.
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I like when their LB body slams Jim Mcmahon, otherwise not interested. I used to like when they played TB back in the day and Pete Axthelm called it the "Bay of Pigs" game. lol
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42 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
You're completely ignoring my point, most likely because it just makes sense.
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Not ignoring your point, its just that I went and watched a lot of the games in question on Youtube last night just for fun. I'm going with what my eyes told me and not empty stats from some guy on a forum. NE shut down the run, tried mostly successfully to take away the deep ball and appeared to double Kelce. The last 5 out of 6 times they played KC they've shut them down in the first half like no other team, that's called a trend. It was pointed out during one of the games by Jim Nantz actually. An article that lays it out nicely: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article246149130.html
Linked the wrong article: "
Luckily for the Chiefs, that was enough to get the victory, but that doesn’t change the fact that New England’s defense played about as well as anybody previously had against Mahomes.
Only five times with Mahomes as starting quarterback, the Chiefs have gone an entire half without scoring a touchdown. After Monday night, three of those instances have come against the Patriots. That makes it fair to ask how exactly New England was able to play that well against the Chiefs offense. The answer is really a mixture of talent and scheme, as well as Bill Belichick’s familiarity with Andy Reid."
https://slantroute.substack.com/p/how-new-england-slowed-down-patrick
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9 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:
Moot point. TEAM sport. Daboll's gameplan, the OLine, other WRs, and on and on. May they continue to rack up numbers together,
Exactly, its a somewhat delicate situation when you get all of the right people in the right scheme and reach a certain balance of talent. There's a dynamic that develops when you get all the right chess pieces. I think if the run game develops we'll see a drop if the passing game too, buts that's actually a good thing.
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46 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
You say, "It's obviously scheme," but I don't think that's clear at all. There are many other things it could be. Just one obvious example is that it could be matchups.
It could also be that - since KC beat them the last two years - that KC feels just fine with how they do against that D as long as the Pats offense isn't doing anything.
And in 2018, a championship year for the Pats, the Chiefs scored 40 points and put up 446 yards of offense, though the Pats scored even more, winning 43 - 40.
Fair points, but I still thinks its scheme. NE almost completely shut down the run, took away the deep ball in the first half, held the Chiefs to 9 pts in the 1st half and built themselves a lead. KC stayed in it with a few big plays, otherwise NE's defense held them down pretty well. KC got a 97 yard kick return to set up a 3 yd drive for a TD, then there was a 67yd pass/run to a RB and a 75 yard pass to Hill. Aside from 2 big plays, KC went the whole game with 300 yards of offense. I watched a few minutes on Youtube, it looks like the Chiefs were on the ropes most of the time against that defensive scheme.
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14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:
I totally hear what you are saying, but I think you are looking at things backwards.How did Brady do without those Allstars - well in NE in 2019 he threw for:
3961 yards on 378 completions
25 TDs and 9 Ints
His receivers were Edelman, White with support from Dorsett, Burkhead, and Sanu.
In 2020 - with similar WRs (Meyers, White, Byrd, Harry, Burkhead, and Edelman for part of the year) - the Pats QBs threw for:
2890 yards on 283 completions
12 TDs and 14 Ints
So back to the original question - no Brady could not be Elite - Super Bowl level with those WRs, but he did significantly more with a really bad WR group than Cam did the next year with slightly more talent.
I think NE is another example of how important QB play is. Without Brady the NE passing attack with subpar WRs was not good at all and with Brady and subpar WRs - the passing attack was pretty good.
The biggest difference in NE from 2019 to 2020 was at QB and it cost NE games during the season and overall gameplay.
You left out the number of pass attempts vs. run attempts. The production wasn't as bad as you portray it, but it was bad and Brady could not possibly have willed them into the playoffs (which I think is why he left actually). Had he stayed and sucked it up for a year, I think they'd be contenders this year. I'd say he did ok though...
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15 hours ago, Don Otreply said:
A rookie running back and a big question mark on the QB and O line isn’t gonna move the needle very much for the Steelers, on the Bills behalf, having the entire starting receiver group injured for the playoffs was a rather large part of our post season demise, yes there were other contributing issues, ie; D line penetration, and the rather dismal run game when it was its number was called, but the receiver room being decimated with injury was easily the biggest problem, that and the overall game plan, (imo they coached scared) I would bet that the coaching staff understands that failure and has, shall we say, “grown” from the experience, we won’t be the same team we were last season, we will be better, anyway that’s my view, we shall see.
I checked 2021 O-line ranks and I didn't realize that Pittsburgh was ranked near the bottom. No wonder Big Ben got leaner and "faster", he may be running for his life. Maybe that 11-0 start last year was a mirage.
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2 hours ago, Limeaid said:
It is intelligence. Not if players or coaches but similar to military intelligence. They know lots of little things from film study, legal and illegal, including tendencies of zebras. Fortunately Director of Spying is retiring (supposedly) soon.
Ya, what's his name, Ernie something... He was replaced by failed HC Patricia. Maybe he sucks at Intel too.
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Fair enough, I see your point.
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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
It wasn't "all because of how they played the Chiefs offense from a scheme standpoint." That surely was a factor, but so was the fact that they did a good job rushing the passer, that Mahomes had a bad game, that Watkins fumbled a ball away in the red zone ...
The Chiefs didn't appear to have much of a sense of urgency and were noticeably off in this game that was delayed by a COVID outbreak. When they needed points near the end, they got them, and they had no reason to fear that the Pats were going to score enough to win. The Chiefs were ahead the whole game, though the Pats kept it close.
A sloppy game for sure, NE had 4 turnovers and were within one score early in the 4th. Whenever they play Mahomes they are able to hold the Chiefs down better than anyone else (aside from TB obviously). So what's the deal with that? Its obviously scheme, so why can't we template it?
10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Najee Harris is a very promising rookie. 6'2", 230 - He might be the next Derrick Henry.
What did the Steelers do for their OL? Do they have a top run blocking OL now?
Maybe they can run it now, maybe they can't, but the Steelers got to 11-0 by passing the hell out of the ball last season
They're smashmouth now when they prove they're smashmouth
They don't need to be smash mouth, just balanced. Injuries derailed their momentum last year and we're getting them week one, so I expect they will be healthy and pretty potent offensively. Thus the tough test on opening day comment.
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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Why do you think we'll get a "tough test right out of the gate" in Week 1 vs Pittsburgh?
Pittsburgh was last in the league in rush yards last season, and 28th in attempts meaning they were beyond worst.
What's changed this season to make them "smashmouth" (honest question, I dunno)?
What changed? The Steelers have been talking about getting back to the run game, balance, etc. all offseason. Then they drafted Najee Harris with pick 24, 6'2' 230lbs, 4.45 sec 40. type of guy. I'd say their planning to run it, a lot. There's that and also the fact that they don't lack talent and were averaging over 30 points a game before injuries, etc. caught up to them after starting 11-0.
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The whole Defense concerns me, personnel, scheme, all of it. We have a championship caliber offense and special teams, but the D is our handicap. This article is telling: https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/scoring-defense-the-key-stat-for-super-bowl-contention
The severely overmatched Patriots held Mahomes and Co. to 17 points last year and probably would have won with even decent QB play. All because of how they played the Chiefs offense from a scheme standpoint. Why can't we crack that code???? https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/recap/NFL_20201005_NE@KC/
That and they ran the ball all over them...
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30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Neither. "Mean" in the "Mean Joe Green" or Football sense, meaning tough, physical, and punishing
That's exactly what we were last year - we could stop the run if we "sold out" to do it, or we could stop the pass, but we weren't able to do both because we simply couldn't get enough pressure to affect the QB with our front 4.
Considering how little we did to improve the D overall that's pretty concerning.
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True, I was more or less thinking about the shoot out scenario.
The Patriot QB's suck 🤣🤣
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No idea how you could pull delusional out of that post. Its probably beyond explanation....