P Riv
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We're not built for smash mouth teams, but we are built to slow or stop the best passing offenses in the league (KC, TB, etc.). If we ever find ourselves behind a smash mouth type of team, we might be SOL (Titans come to mind).
We'll get a tough test right out of the gate in week 1.
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He looks like he dieted weight off without working out. He has that skinny fat look. He might play himself into shape, but he doesn't even look like an athlete in that pic. I read an article that said he's worked hard to diet and lose weight this offseason, but I'm curious how much working out was involved.
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3 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:
How about the salary cap error where players move from team to team constantly. Nothing against Shula but he wasn't dealing with that.
Before the salary cap era, most of the teams that were perennial playoff contenders also had the highest payroll. SF back in the day bought championships and kept trying it when the cap era started (they got busted). I'm pretty sure Miami was up there in payroll when Shula was there.
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3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
Jones was a desperate pick, he was the product of playing with elite talent. He will never be anything more than a mediocre QB, at best. He won’t be as good as Brady’s last year with the Pats.
If there is any kind of justice, Belichick doesn’t win more than Shula. Talk about two guys doing it the complete opposite way. Belichick is a cheater and a guy who benefited from one QB playing for 20 years at a pro bowl level.Shula had Unitas, Griese and Marino. Like thats a handicap. I hope Hoodie ties him so neither has bragging rights.
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Saw this today while on the treadmill:
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Disclosing a lower body injury is actually a big deal because it directly relates to mobility. If a CB has a hamstring issue? I think the relevance is obvious. If its a RB, then you game plan to plug up the middle and make him bounce it outside and test that leg/knee. In the case of Brady, teams would try to push him outside the pocket or just get him off his spot. Whether they can do it effectively is another thing, but with that knowledge someone would have tried.
Seems to me this was obvious rule breaking.
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14 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
They won’t win 9 games. Vegas knows there is enough people who still buy into the BB BS. Watch what the leagues does to Bill and the Pats this season.
Thats pretty hopeful considering they won 7 last year with bottom feeder talent and upgraded every position grouping, some substantially (LB, TE). They will likely have a top 5 defense, top 5 O-line and running game and only require a game manager at QB. They can't win a shoot out or even compete in one, but my guess is they won't have many of those. My guess is they start fast at like 6-2, then fade down the stretch and win 9 or 10 when its all done. Just enough to threaten playoffs and get a middling draft position. Hoodie needs 36 more wins to tie Shula, so my guess is he gets 10 this year and sticks around. If Jones develops they'll be a threat next year, if not they will be where we were for all those years (not bad, not good).
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10 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:
Of the two Parcells was the genius. BB is an excellent coach, and that shouldn’t be in question. Think what Parcells did. He won two SB’s with the Giants and the second one with his backup QB. He turned the Pats around from the lagging stock of the league to a winning team and on his fourth year the SB. Then he turned the Jets around as well as a joke to the championship game. He also turned the Cowgirls around as well.
A lot of people don’t like him as he was prickly to the media, but it was calculated to use the media as a tool.
BB is doing his best minus Brady by drafting a meh QB, getting tall TE’s and solid RB’s. This probably get him a slightly winning record beating mediocre teams say 9-8. They aren’t a playoff team. It couldn’t be better from our perspective. Win just enough to not have a high draft spot, lose enough to not make the playoffs.
I always thought the opposite was true personally. Hoodie beat the Tuna in the playoffs. That and Tuna never won anything without Hoodie as his DC/ass't HC.
You're probably right about 9-8, they are projected to win 9.5 games by the odds makers. So its 9-8 or 10-7, no threat this year.
We're projected to win 11, so not really sure how it all works.
10 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:Sad thing is, these fair weather Pats fans won’t come here then. It’s fascinating to read how delusional they are about the future of their team.
That's Leaguewide, maybe even in every sport.... lol Homerism, we have our share too.
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We've always had a great rivalry with the Patriots, my favorite one actually. Many great battles in the 80's, always looked forward but kinda hated playing them in the 90's too. I knew we would win, but at what cost was always the question. Tough physical games, great to watch.
Doplhins... meh. Jests? Meh...
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They went to the SB in 96 with a different QB and coach. So I'm guessing that they are capable of succeeding without Brady at some point. Fact is, they did it before. Now all they have to do is go 1-15 and get the top QB in the draft. 😁
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It helps to have an owner that wants to win, but it can hurt too (see Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder).
Its a delicate balance between competent ownership that's invested in pursuing a championship, good front office, good coach and staff and the all important franchise QB.
Historically speaking its tough to find a SB winner that didn't have that balance. Buffalo has that balance right now, so until someone else in the Div puts it altogether, the outcome is academic.
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14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:
Pats fans making sense, Bwahahahahaha, okay Casper, whatever ya gotta tell yourself, 😂
We still win the division in 99 out of 100 scenarios and KC is who we should be talking about. Its just a thread about Patriots QB's, which I thought had way too much Homerism running wild. So I added a little reality, now its treason...lol
meh
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39 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
I also tried to figure it out but have given up, not sure what the point is, poster is trying to prove an agenda which is fine.
Agenda? This thread Patriots QBs suck and the underlying metric is Josh Allen. The point is clear, Hoodie has a recipe for QBs that goes back 30+ years and hasn't changed:
They upgraded their whole roster, I'm not underestimating them unlike most people here.
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23 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:
You are pulling numbers from 1990 and 2003 to say that they can win like that today? Have you watched any football in the last 10 years?
Those are Tyrod Taylor numbers. You get to 500 with that at best. We watched it here for 17 years cmon man
Hoodie's teams usually rely on defense, special teams and competent QB play. Yeah I watched the last 10 years and apparently fans think there's a template that you need super star triplets (QB, WR, RB) to win.
I posted QB's as far back as Simms because thats his influence, past and how Belichick operates. Those QBs didn't have awesome seasons in those years, they simply did what he asked (or what his mentor Parcells asked).
Their defense and special teams are stacked this year. Their O-line is top 5, and they have talent and depth at TE. They have solid possession WRs now too. All that's missing is competent QB play, which may or may not happen and that's the biggest variable remaining. All I'm saying is last year wasn't some sort of trend, it was one season with all sorts of reasons to explain why it went the way it did. I'm not sleeping on them or underestimating what they have over there... I swear, any sort of reality check is like treason around here, its crazy.
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They don't have Brady, they definitely don't have anyone like Allen. What I've been saying is that they don't need that. Here's a look at QB play in Hoodie's past, all SB seasons except 93 which was still playoffs and at least one win:
Gms att cpl cpl% yds ypc TD INT rtg
16 259 468 55.3 3,487 7.5 21 22 74.6 Simms 86
14 184 311 59.2 2,284 7.3 15 4 92.7 Simms 90
14 207 376 55.05 2575 6.9 16 18 70.7 Testaverde 94
16 314 522 60.15 3706 7.1 28 15 87.7 Bledsoe 96
14 264 413 2843 6.9 18 12 86.5 Brady 01
16 317 527 3620 6.9 23 12 85.9 Brady 03
Hoodie needs "good" QB play, not MVP or great. Them's the facts. They're going to contest the division... We'll win, but I'm not taking them lightly.
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If we say it enough maybe its a self fulfilling prophecy? Future comparison will be....Matt Cassel. https://www.nfl.com/players/matt-cassel/stats/career
Who's with me? lol
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NE, MIA and NY all suck at 1st rd picks. NE drafts well on defense and O-line, but WR, RB and sometimes CB has a pretty bad record of success.
Reality is we sucked at drafting QB's until we struck gold with Allen, and even he was considered taking a chance with high upside.
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10 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:
Not sure I agree - the play he fumbled was a 2nd and 10 on the 19 - even if he doesn’t fumble it would have been 3rd and 6 from the 15. The most likely outcome was still a FG to tie the game and I still liked the Bills chances in OT. I don’t think we were on the ropes as NE never lead in the game - they kept having to match us.
I think NE has talent, but they are not a great team. I think their TEs are better, but our top 4 maybe 5 WRs start for them and they really do not have good WRs or depth and if they get rid of Harry it is even worse. I also think there OLine is not any better than the Bills - they have some good run blockers, but pass blocking is not a strength and the last time they lost their OLine coach - the line fell apart and they had to bring him back after a year - so I expect their line to be a liability this year.
Their defense has loads of potential whether Gilmore plays or not, but they will need to be a top scoring defense because that offense is going to be in the bottom of the league scoring.
I expect at least 1 tight game and one comfortable win against them, but I just do not seem them hanging around at the end of the season. Looking realistically at their schedule I see them looking good early, but starting with LAC at the end of Oct. going 3-7 down the stretch for a 7-10 or 8-9 record.
I like your confidence, maybe I still have the 20 year hangover. As far as O lines go, here's an example of what the world outside B'lo is thinking: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-line-units-entering-2021-season
As far as NE's O-line coach is concerned, he left in 2019, not 2020. They're over that hump. I can't see them going 3-7 down the stretch, especially starting with a LAC that they crushed last year 45-0 with a bad team.
Just checked the replay of the Newton fumble, if he had it tucked it would have been either 3rd and 1 or 1st and goal. It was slapped out of his hand and no one was within 2-3 yards in front of him. So, the strip saved the game.... Awesome play.
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16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:
Sorry - we beat them in the second game 38-9 a complete domination from start to finish. We did only beat them by a FG in game 1, but we were the better team - just needed to finally get that win and cement ourselves as the better team. Game 1 versus NE was mental more than anything.
The Dolphins we’re 10-6 solely on the basis of the defense. I would not expect them to repeat the turnover fest that kept them in games - everything I see suggests a regression to the mean for the Dolphins and around a 0.500 record 8-9, 9-8 or so.
The Pats spent a ton on offense, but I think they will be a run, short pass game team and neither their QBs - nor their WRs scare me - I think they will be better than last year, but are still going to lose some close games that Brady would have won. They are a 0.500 level team also.
The Jets intrigue me, but Corey Davis and Carl Lawson do nothing for me on that team. Lawson had a great contract year on team that went no where. I picture it very much like Phillips going to Arizona (or Lawson going to Miami) then getting hurt and/or doing nothing. They put everything into the contract year. I think the Jets are 3-4 years away - assuming they don’t get impatient and blow it up again. I am not sure they got the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft at the 2nd spot, but my guess is long term he is closer to Darnold than Lawrence or even Fields or Lance.
I guessed 11-12 wins for the Bills - I could easily see 14, but realistically the last few games will depend on seeding and guys they want to rest. I would also consider it successful to get back to the AFCCG again, but that obviously is not the goal - the actual goal is to win it all and the Bills can do that.
The first game NE had us on the ropes in the last minutes, then Newton got sloppy carrying the ball near the goal line. Second game was two teams headed in completely different directions and we spanked them (felt GREAT). This year, different season and different teams, can't really predict it. Their defense last year in a bad season for them...was still number 7 in scoring defense. If you look at what they added, its going to be rough sledding against them, and their punter is a weapon. Their WRs don't scare me either, but aside from Moss and Welker, who ever did? Thats not how they play and I suspect they will use their TE's and RB's in such a way that they don't need a traditional WR1 and never really have. Our number one and two cover guys may be better than their receivers, but they'll throw to options three and four where it favors them, thats how they work. Quality low budget guys, lots of depth. Their Achilles heal is QB, otherwise their overall roster may be better than ours. We outclass them really badly in QB1 and WR1 and thats all, they have us in just about every other position grouping.
I think having to play them twice a year is a great thing for us, a great measuring stick and challenge that will make us better.
I agree on the Jets and also think they should have kept Darnold, drafting a QB was a mistake. Now they have a rookie QB and two unknowns backing him up with no veteran to mentor...thats just dumb. Their D-line looks good, if CJ Mosley can make a comeback their front 7 isn't bad. They might win 5-6 games and hopefully steal one from NE or MIA. They don't have much offensive firepower, but they might sneak up on some people and win with Saleh's enthusiasm (the intangibles).
Dolphins....meh, I think Tua will be a low success/not quite a bust and isn't the answer for them. I think they regress, maybe badly.
We win 12 games, the division, host a home playoff game, maybe even home in the Divisional round again. AFCCG repeat.
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7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
I think with our talent and depth at QB, DL, and the secondary, we are primed to win 13-14 games. I suppose I could consider making the AFC Championship game a "success", but I have a hard time doing that. This team is built to win it all, not become another perennial playoff team that never gets it done. If we stay healthy, and the D improves in run D and pass rush, (and I expect the RB game to improve as well) we can beat anyone.
not sure we need Allen to carry us the way Rodgers carries GB. First, we have better WR (and potentially TE) group than GB, and hopefully our running game matches theirs. Williams and Moss flashed at the end of last year. Second, our secondary is likely the best in the NFL, and if our pass rush and run D get their act together, we could routinely hold teams below 17 points, and even give elite teams like KC major issues.
Sounds good to me, but I don't believe we did much of anything to improve our run game or defend against it either. We're going to have some high scoring games IMHO. KC's weakness was their O-line, look what they accomplished this offseason. Everybody tries to improve, we more or less kept the status quo. We needed a stud D-lineman or a beast at RB to get closer to pushing over the hump. Maybe we'll get lucky with few injuries, everything goes right, etc. Every season is different and pre-season hype based on last year is usually wrong.
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We still have to beat a combination of KC, Tennessee, Cleveland, in the playoffs, then there's TB or GB to get past if we reach the SB. Tall order and we have a good solid team, but we're putting all of our hopes in the QB to carry it all. Need Josh to be Aaron Rodgers, and even he's only been able to pull it off once.
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Aside from QB and WR1 NE currently has a SB roster in any Brady year. They are a total wild card this year depending on how their QB situation develops. Their scoring defense was #7 last year and they got a lot better through FA and the draft. I read an article a while back that every year that they had a top 5 scoring Defense or above, they at least made the AFCCG. Aside from Allen and Diggs, I think their roster is better than ours (assuming Gilmore is there and 100% healthy).
So, clearly a lot is riding on their QB situation.
I started looking further back into Hoodie's past, he builds teams a certain way and you can see it all the way back to his time with the Giants. Did the 86 or 90 Giants have a star WR1 or QB like Brady? Nope... The defense and running game, TE's, possession WR's, all seem to look like very familiar types of players to what they have now. Just sayin, the methodology is distinctly clear.
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14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
His numbers are accurate but like 58% of his passes last year were Screen, RPO or play action
Pretty sure we're going to a see a lot of play action and screen from NE this year, that and short pick plays. I'm sure we'll also see the intermittent overthrown bomb to agholor to keep that threat alive.
run, dink dunk, screen, run, run run, run.... They have RBs that can catch, good TE's and possession WRs, so this isn't too tough to figure out.
In reality, an accurate noodle arm could actually do well.
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Jackson had one season where he looked like a running QB, the rest look like a RB who can throw occasionally. I hope they sign him to a big contract, then its bye bye Harbaugh, back to the draft... lol
The Patriot QB's suck 🤣🤣
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