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JohnNord

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  1. 3 hours ago, eball said:

    Ahh, to be back in 2013 again...

     

     


    I always thought that Kolb was a bad signing.  He was very average with the great Andy Reid and struggles to stay healthy in AZ.  Some Bills fans defended the move as though he was the best available choice at QB.  I’m not sure about that - without doing research there had to be better options. 
     

    Also once Kolb was injured the team should have traded a low pick or brought in a veteran FA like they did in 2014 when Orton was signed.

     

    Starting the year with Ej Manuel and Jeff “Soul Crushing INT” Tuel at QB was roster mismanagement at its finest

    1 hour ago, Augie said:

    OJ is still searching every golf course in the country for whoever put that mat there! 

    He didn’t do it...but if he did

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  2. 22 minutes ago, T master said:

    Shady still looking but hasn't found a home as of yet . He says he's talked to a couple teams but to this point no deals have been offered .

     

    One of his goals is to make it into the 12K club before he retires i for one hope he finds a way to get it  .

     

    His totals were down last year but they had a bunch of talent in KC when he was on the field though he didn't suck he just wasn't his old self . I think in the right scheme he could still be a good RB .

     

    What do you think ? Does he still have enough in the tank to help a team  ? ?

     

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/24/lesean-mccoy-has-talked-to-a-couple-of-teams/


    He was an average running back last season and had issues with holding onto the football.   There’s a reason that he was a healthy scratch for most of the season and in the Super Bowl.  He wasn’t very good.

  3. 10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    Completely disagree.
     1) Tyrod was essentially Alex Smith.  
    2) Mahomes is special.  He had over 50 tds his last year in college.  Allen wasn’t close to his level in a worse conference.  Mahomes would have been great anywhere and in Buffalo, he would have played with an elite defense instead of one of the worst in KC.  

    I still think if EJ could have had more of an Allen type mindset, he could have been a good QB.  He had every tool you wanted but played scared and like a robot.  


    that’s a HUGE if.  Confidence was EJ’s biggest issue and he struggled with it big time.  It would be like saying if Josh Allen has better accuracy and touch he’d be Pat Mahomes.

  4. 11 hours ago, SCBills said:


    If the optimism for Darryl Johnson is warranted, then that has to seal the deal on cutting/trading Trent Murphy, no?

     

    Addison/Hughes/Epenesa will all get their reps and Jefferson is also a guy who can play off the edge.  Nevermind they already have 4 interior guys in Oliver, Star, Harry and Butler, and again Jefferson as a inside/outside guy.  
     

    Pretty crowded DL to keep Murphy if they believe in Darryl Johnson. 


    Sure... but Darryl Johnson is a 7th round draft pick.  One that has flashed and that the team is high on, but he has a long way to go and I don’t feel that a roster spot is a given.

     

    People do forget that Murphy had something like 4 sacks in his final two games of the season and had been playing much better.   His cap hit is there, but do the Bills really need the cap space.  I think that cutting Murphy isn’t as much as a formality as a lot of fans feel.  The Bills like him and won’t throw him away if Johnson doesn’t beat him out.

     

     

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  5. 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Yea I think they had a 2nd on him. I understand there were about half a dozen teams who had EJ as the top guy on their board (the Eagles did) but not sure anyone had a first on him and there were a lot of teams (I think the Cowboys were one that leaked out) who had a 4th on him. 

     

    So I think they did reach because they painted themselves in the corner, absolutely. But I also think they were probably one of the teams that did like EJ more than most. 


    Let me ask you this, because you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about this time period.  In The Athletic interview with Tim Graham, it was alluded that Nix was “squeezed out” by Whaley after Wilson’s death and that his tenure in Buffalo ended bitterly.

     

    This seems to fly in the opposite direction of the narrative which was purported by the organization and echoed by the media.  I remember it being reported that he was semi-retired and stepping down as GM but would remain with the Bills as a scout.   I remember Russ Brandon sang his praises calling him a “mentor” and thanking him publicly saying “the cupboard was pretty bare before Buddy.”
     

    So how exactly was he squeezed out?

     

    Many believed that 67 year-old Buddy was a short term GM and the plan was always to have a younger Whaley succeed him.  In 2012, Nix would have been 70+ he fielded a record of about 16-31.  It seems like it made sense to move on.   If he was “squeezed out,” it was for very good reason.  Buddy was a terrible GM

  6. 1 hour ago, NoSaint said:


    it’s not about magic. It’s about grabbing big, fast experienced players. They get the most elite specimens, generally.

     

    dude missed at qb but put together some good units otherwise 


    and by trading back they were able to justify some added value in the pick and getting their number 1 qb on the board for the year even if he wasn’t a perfect specimen 


    It was flawed rationale but meet the Bills under the Nix/Whaley regime

  7. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    I think actually the Nix regime did sit back and wait for the draft to come to them. They rarely moved around the board in the way Whaley and Beane have since. They reached the next year out of desperation. 

     

    I think it was organisational ineptitude that led to a bad decision to try and wait on Wilson (who I think they were hoping to take, sit behind Fitz for a year and then play). But I think they absolutely were keen on him. I thought that at the time too. 


    Looking back as a fan, coming off the horrendous product during the Jauron years, I found the whole Nix and Gailey regime to just be completely frustrating.  Both were underwhelming hires and just added the reputation that Ralph was hurting the franchise with the decisions he was making.

     

    To his credit, I think Gailey showed he has a pretty good mind for offense considering what he did with a team led by Ryan Fitzpatrick, Stevie Johnson, and Fred Jackson.  But he was not a good overall head coach and was clueless on defense/coaching hires

    14 minutes ago, Buddo said:

    As I've said before, part of the problem with not drafting Wilson, was that Nix and Co, were still stuck in a traditional approach to drafting QBs. They put a value on them, and waited until they hit that value, before moving. Just about everyone else had got to the point where if there was a QB prospect they liked, they were prepared to go get them a round before a straightforward evaluation had them.

     

    The Wilson miss wasnt the first time it had happened to Nix, as nobody expected the 'Skins to take Cousins after taking RG3, and there may have been another instance in those few drafts as well.

     

    Nix eventually got the idea, which was why he drafted EJ where he did. The mitigation being he did trade down first.

     


    Again though, if you have a 4th round target on a QB, how confident are you that the player is going to be your franchise?  That is the problem I have with his narrative.  

    1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    I think actually the Nix regime did sit back and wait for the draft to come to them. They rarely moved around the board in the way Whaley and Beane have since. They reached the next year out of desperation. 

     

    I think it was organisational ineptitude that led to a bad decision to try and wait on Wilson (who I think they were hoping to take, sit behind Fitz for a year and then play). But I think they absolutely were keen on him. I thought that at the time too. 


    What about EJ though?  Do you think they had a legit 1st round grade?  Or were they forced to reach for a 3rd/4th round prospect because of the crappy QB situation they painted themselves into?

  8. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Certainly in 2020 - agreed. They can get out of Poyer's deal for $1m after 2021... which is year 3 of Jaquan's rookie deal... so watch for them to start to introduce a time share in that season if they think Johnson is developing nicely. 


    Makes sense.  I thought he (and Trent Murphy) was one of the best players on the field in the season opener vs the Jets.  I do think Johnson has potential and hope that he’ll get some opportunities on the field soon.  

  9. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    I liked both in the draft. Had both on my board thought they were both great value when taken. Joseph really struggled in pre-season games last year. I don't think he was making the roster and the injury was convenient to allow them to red shirt him on IR. I think he will need a really strong camp to make it and I am not even sure he isn't behind Tyrel Dodson who was the UDFA last year (who I still can't believe wasn't drafted) and then the Bills hung onto even despite the domestic abuse incident - which tells me they are really keen on him. Jaquan I think they drafted very much as a special teamer and developmental player. I expect them to try and groom him as Poyer's eventual successor but for this season (ie. 2020) when Hyde and Poyer are healthy they will be on the field. Jaquan had a really nice game week 17 though when he got in against the Jets. He was one of the backups that definitely furthered his case in that game. 


    I thought he might succeed Poyer and that was why the team was dragging their feet on resigning him.  But with Poyer’s new deal, I think it’s going to be hard for Johnson to get any playing time barring injury 

  10. 43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    I agree with you on EJ. I disagree with you on Wilson. I genuinely think the Bills were in on him they just had a complete lack of organisational commitment to understanding the way to win and prioritised a wide receiver who they thought could help day 1 in specific packages (and they did have a need for a speed receiver) over a developmental Quarterback.

     

    Maybe they didn't like him and you are right but all the signs were they did. Meeting him at the Combine, going to his workout, bringing him in for a visit, even Buddy telling the world he was too small and the Bills weren't going to draft him (we all remember "we are after a tackle and we see Cordy as a guard") all points to them having a real and genuine interest. 

     

    They screwed it up which is almost worse than just evaluating him wrongly.... they liked Russell Wilson and they blew it because organisationally they had no plan about how to build a winner and very little obvious commitment to doing so. 


    I don’t know - I will agree that Nix and Whaley were clueless about the QB positions.  But If the Bills were so interested in Wilson why did they didn’t they pull the trigger earlier in the 2nd or the 3rd?  Their philosophy typically wasn’t to sit back and wait for a prospect to fall to them.   If that’s the case why did they reach for EJ In the next year’s draft?

     

    Also in you thinking, I think you are also overlooking the fact that the Bills resigned Ryan Fitzpatrick to lower tier starter’s deal months earlier.  There was the hope in Buffalo that his late season struggles were due to injury and that he could bounce back in 2012.  Again when you look at how badly the Bills handled the QB position under Nix and Whaley, do you honestly see them making the move to draft the future QB to be waiting in the wings?  It’s a move that good GM’s make but also one that the regime has never done.  
     

    So long story short - if they had interest in Wilson, I think it was similar to their interest in Cardale Jones.  They’ll pick him if he falls to them but they aren’t convinced.  Kind of like the half court shot at the end of the first half of a basketball game
     

     

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