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12 hours ago, zevo said:
I feel like Allen wanted a guy that could make that ridiculous catch in the big moment. Colemans has a lot of ridiculous grabs
Like Stefon Diggs?
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16 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
The quote is taken out of context, the team is transitioning because it lost a lot of the veterans and new people are going to need to step up. It seems by all accounts the Bills have drafted a lot of quality high character players. And even the depth pieces are quality.
I took the drafting of just one WR as a good sign. It signals to me they are keeping room for a veteran addition. No rookie could be reasonably expected to replace Diggs. Getting another rookie like Franklin in the 3rd would have signaled to me a rebuild.
The Bills still have a spot for the veteran. They have 2025 draft capital to get one. They have Tre money coming in along with another possible Josh restructure for 2024 funds along with no more Diggs as a way to justify future year payments.
Perhaps…The only thing that concerns me is that Beane said no trade is coming at his presser. The available options at WR in FA really aren’t that great either - especially when you consider what type of player the Bills need. -
31 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Beane could’ve drafted WR’s since 2018 and hasn’t.
Then he wouldn’t have had to extend Diggs desperately in 2022. Something that gave Diggs tremendous leverage in 2022 and 2023.
He did neglect the WR room for multiple seasons, and is still neglecting it and Josh is going to pay for it when his career ends at 31 like Cam Newton.
100%. It shocking that Coleman as a 2nd round selection is the HIGHEST drafted WR that Beane has ever selected. This is a major reason why the Bills are at the point they are at now.To his credit, Beane assembled an excellent WR room in 2021 with Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, Davis and Isaiah McKenzie. The problem was that 2/5 of that group were vets on the final seasons of their career.
In 2022, when Beasley and Sanders fell off a cliff mid-year and moved on, Beane’s solution was to simply sign an aging Jameson Crowder and hope Isaiah McKenzie and Gabe Davis could take a step major forward.
In 2023, Beane pounded the podium that Gabe was playing through injuries. His solution was to double down on Davis, and sign low-end FA’s like Harty and Sherfield.
I’ve never been one to defend Diggs. Say what you will but the reason the Bills have a lower-end roster WR is less about Stefon and more about failure to dedicate enough resources to the position
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15 minutes ago, ngbills said:
Coleman, Bishop, Davis, Carter could be the only guys that make the roster.
Van Pran-Granger is a lock too. They aren’t going to cut a 5th round pick
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Overall I think it was a solid haul. Unfortunately, many of us went into the draft thinking the biggest weakness was at WR. While I’m ok with the selection, I don’t feel like adding Coleman did enough to address the position.
My biggest complaint was that they didn’t use the 5th round picks to move up higher to take a WR when there seemed to be several options to choose from.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
This quote from Beane defines the entire draft strategy:
He is giving it to us straight. The Bills are in a rebuild year. So he went for all team captains. Guys that interviewed well. Guys that he believes set a new foundation of leadership in the building. He hunted for short term needs that fit the singular character profile he and McDermott feel comfortable with, at the expense of talent at premium positions. And he is telling the fanbase to temper our expectations without coming right out and saying it.
I'm not gonna grade a draft until we see how all the players turn out, but the overall philosophy shown this weekend is deflating and uninspiring.
I don’t see things are bleak as you do. They did try to find players that were leaders but I don’t think it came at the expense of talent. One thing is clear though - they did not want to jeopardize next year’s draft capital in any way.
Overall I think this years draft was solid, though I’m a bit confused by how they drafted at WR. It seemed clear that they needed to make a big move to offset the departure of Diggs. Or to draft 2 WR’s at least come away with 2 WR’s. Instead they chose to draft 1.
The “team in transition” quote is certainly interesting. It does make it seem like they are bracing for a step back next season.
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8 hours ago, bills6969 said:
I have concerns on the defensive side of the ball. Specifically, with replacing Poyer/Hyde. Replacing their production/leadership will not be easy. Need some leaders to step up on D.
As long as we have JA17, a Super Bowl should always be the goal. There are alot of shoes to fill going into this season. I do like that we aren’t really coming up in conversation for Super Bowl contenders. I think we get a bit overlooked this year, which I think will be good for this team.
I don’t think Poyer and Hyde will be that difficult to replace based on their performance last season. Poyer looked to be a step a slower at safety, until they moved him down into the box after the Milano injury. Hyde played smart and was decent but played the entire season without making any big plays that he made in the past.Together, both Hyde and Poyer accounted for just 4 turnovers in 19 games. They had 11 in 2021.
I feel they will be missed more from leadership standpoint than they will be in the field.
Both Rapp and Edwards are capable of filling in, though I wouldn’t hate if they threw an athletic rookie S into the mix.
1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:We'll be fortunate to be in playoff contention as the roster currently stands, imo. We would need a series of miracles to get into the super bowl conversation that involves season ending injuries to Mahomes and Burrow, drafting OROY and DROYs like Houston did, staying healthy and having all of our top players play great, and then having probably 2 current players on the roster take monumental leaps up to all-pro status (Kincaid, Epenesa?)
At the end of all that, would it be enough to top the best of the NFC?Doubt it.
I’m old enough to remember when the Bills needed a series of miracles to beat the Cowboys, Chiefs, Chargers, and Dolphins-
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35 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Great summary, Thanks for this.
I will say, I think Beane was trying a little too hard to persuade everyone that he thinks the WR room is just fine and we'll be casually looking to add another piece or two at some point in the future, not anxiously perusing the draft board for guys who have "WR" listed for position as our draft picks approach.
But I agree with you that all signs point to "disinclined to make a big splash to move up to the top-10"
I thought it was interesting that Beane mentioned "guys who are already on the roster" contributing at WR and made an analogy to Terrell Bernard who had to "prove it" that he could step up. Khalil, after the end of the season, I think has left no doubt he can play in the league although as a #1 or #2 is a good question.
Does anyone think he might have been referring to Justin Shorter, last year's 5th round pick?
My main takeaway as well. As I said in another post, it reminded me of the CB discussion in 2022 when he tried to talk up Dane Jackson as the solution.
Shorter is the only WR on the roster from last season, so it has to be him - unless he was referring to Shakir truly having a big season.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Take aways:
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I do not think Beane is even thinking about moving into the top 10 to get one of the big 3 WR.
- He said he would take any call, but he also said teams in the top 10 don't generally call teams down at 28.
- When asked about him calling them, he mocked them even wanting to take his call and made it clear he hasn't called them.
- Worth noting as well, Bills have no reported visits or meetings with MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. We did reportedly meet once with Thomas.
- He is not a fan at all of moving a future first, which I will cover in comments below.
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I think he made it pretty clear as well that we are not going to be trading for a proven guy such as Aiyuk or Higgins as many have been wanting.
- Specifically said when we traded for Stef, Allen was an ascending player and the offense needed a guy like that.
- But that now with Allen ascended to the player he is, that is not a requirement and not necessary.
- He made it clear he is very comfortable making a small trade up to make sure he can get the guy he covets. So if there is one he wants where a small move up to go get him is on the table, I think he will pull that trigger.
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He also made it very clear he really does NOT want to move next years 1st, but did admit he would if the deal made sense to do it.
- Referenced regretting those kind of moves in the next draft when they did them in Carolina when the next draft came and the guy they gave up that first didn't really get them over the top.
- He also doesn't plan to move the 2nd we got for Diggs, but wouldn't rule it out if they felt the right deal was there.
- Between Josh, McD and Beane interviews, I think it was pretty clear they have a lot of confidence in the core of Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, and Cook. It is clear we are going after a WR in first 2 rounds, but I would not expect us to go back to back WR or take 2 early as some around here have suggested. If we take a 2nd one, I would expect it later like rounds 4 and on.
- Beane made it clear that trading back is very much in play at 28 and pointed out if they couldn't get Kincaid they had a real good trade back worked out he really liked.
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Also added he would love to add someone on the DL that can contribute this season.
- While he said it could be in the first, would have to see what is there at 28 in general, but went on to say he sees guys outside the first in this draft that can come in and contribute this year.
So what I came away with is that I think there is very little chance we are making a move to get MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. It was also clear it was just as unlikely we are going after someone like Aiyuk, Higgins, etc either. And that has been my belief all along as well.
While I wouldn't say that anything he said rules out moving up into the teens to get Thomas (like say Jags at 17), I think it's a low possibility he goes up outside the 20's. The thing that most often stuck out was the reluctance on using high future picks to move up. I think Beane really likes the idea of having a first and two 2nd's next year and really prefers not trading them. And I do think that trading back is a very strong possibility for us to try and get a 3rd this year or maybe even a third 2nd for next year.
All in all this was a good listen...and Beane has a track record for being pretty straight forward and candid on these things, so I think he is shooting pretty straight with his comments like he always has.
I’agree with most of your takeaways, but I don’t believe Beane as much as you do. Like most GM’s at draft time he doesn’t reveal the teams true strategy. They don’t call it “lying season” for nothing!The way he downplayed the obvious need at WR, sounds almost identical to how he discussed the CB position before the 2022 draft.
Also I remember at last year’s press conference he said something about the are pool being talented but that they were probably not drafting a TE.
Plus, back in 2022 he said there would be no “big ticket” signings, right before signing the ultimate “big ticket” FA in Von Miller.
I do think he was being truthful about not wanting to trade away future first round picks and I think the Thomas trade scenario you posed is the most likely.
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I do not think Beane is even thinking about moving into the top 10 to get one of the big 3 WR.
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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:
Not a video headline I expected to see... but hey, he's always loved Josh Allen 😅
The rumor is more focused on Dallas, but for some reason the Bills came up as the next best option for him.
1) Revenge on Kraft
2) Having Josh Allen
3) Knowing how to beat Mahomes
Nick Wright wants him to go to the Jets though. If McDermott gets fired, would you guys be open to this?
The ESPN article I read said that Belichick was interested in the Cowboys, Eagles, and the Giants positions. It said nothing about Buffalo. Also I would argue that all 3 HC’s for those teams are in a “make or break” year. There’s a good chance at least one is out of a job next year.It’s going to take a lot to get McDermott fired. Even if Buffalo finishes somewhere in the 6 or 7 win range( which I don’t think they will) there’s a built-in excuse this season with all the change and cap resetting.
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The thing that bothers me most about Diggs, is that he wants to hold everyone accountable…except himself.
No one complained publicly about the playoff exits than Diggs, but this season he had the chance to be a difference maker and instead, was likely the most disappointing offensive player in the field vs. KC.
Where’s his accountability?
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It’s Diggs. Say what you will about about the end of his tenure, but he was an elite WR playing at an All-Pro level for four-consecutive seasons.
The most dominate WR in Bills history, albeit one that didn’t show up in big time playoff games vs. top competition
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The hype around Javon Baker reminds me very much of Tank Dell last season. Just about every draft analyst I listen to has said glowing things about him, yet most are projecting him as a 3rd round pick. If he has a good rookie season (like Dell) we’ll all wonder why he wasn’t drafted earlier.
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7 minutes ago, Peter said:
This is true (perhaps this would be Andy's way of repaying McD for trading the right to pick Mahomes).
McD would forever be known for that trade.
Without Josh, I can only imagine how bad our record otherwise would be. McD (and we) are VERY LUCKY to have Josh.
True… but they also deserve a lot of credit for taking a chance of Josh who many analysts predicted would be the next Christian Hackenberg or Paxton Lynch.
They also did an outstanding job creating a plan to develop Josh as a QB
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2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
My bias against McDermott is well documented.
Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words.
My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons.
And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds.
Then the most ridiculous statement of all.
"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve."
I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City. Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game.
It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.
So what does the board think?
For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?
For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?
I did not get that impression he’s on the hot seat at all. As far as his “narrow-minded” comment what should he have said? Obviously, they’ve fallen short of their goal but he’s trying to put a positive spin of what they accomplished rather than focusing what they haven’t. This is textbook “growth mindset” which he always preaches.As for as job security - go back and watch the locker room video where Beane enthusiastically presents him the game ball in front of the entire team. He’s completely on the same page as McDermott.
Then take a look at the flailing Sabres. Pegula probably should clean house - but he’s choosing to show an extreme amount of loyalty and patience. There’s zero change he fires a coach who’s actually successful.
Finally, do you think the NFL would put a coach on shaky ground in the competition committee?
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18 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Of course barring a Ricky Williams trade deal this will never happen but man all these great receivers wanna come here the last couple years I really can’t figure out why. Since the QB clearly doesn’t wanna win enough.
A better comp would be the Julio Jones trade which saw Atlanta jump from #27 to #6:Atlanta:
1st round pick 2011 (27)
1st round pick 2012
2nd round pick 2011
4th round pick 2011
4th round pick 2012
Cleveland:
1st round pick 2011 (6)
But given inflation you’re probably looking at 3 first round picks and then some which is crazy-
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On 3/20/2024 at 11:33 AM, krf139 said:
Living in Connecticut, I have no idea how I am going to listen to sports talk radio for the next 5+ months talking about how great the Jets are going to be. With baseball season a week away, the talk on WFAN this morning has been all Jets. The Jets have won nothing, haven't made the playoffs, have a highly suspect front office and coaching staff - yet everyone talks about them being a real threat to win the Super Bowl.
Here's Boomer Esiason talking about how they've moved past the Bills.
The Jets are the latest team to try to win the offseason. Typically this kind of thing doesn’t work out well especially when you rely so heavily on older oft-injured players like the Jets will be this season, but we’ll see-
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4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Read the whole thread
Make Pat Mahomes chip in! LOL seriously, owners are cheap as hell when it comes to this stuff
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1 minute ago, BillsFooteball said:
He was cut the day before game against the bills. I track opposition like crazy game week for possible inactives and matchups, so remember day before game his release being a pleasant surprise
LOL I could have sworn I saw #69 on the field. Why would they cut him? He was playing pretty well
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3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
He played very well last season including the game against Buffalo. I think he’d be a perfect rotational player
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1 minute ago, DasNootz said:
I like the signing and value.
Maybe it's a "grass is always greener" mindset, but how is Gabe Davis worth 1.5x Samuel or Hollywood Brown in the open market? I understand that he's younger, but his health has always been an issue. What am I missing? He had one historic game several years ago, but otherwise has been very pedestrian. He never had a 1,000 yard season, never had 50 receptions... despite being in a pass heavy offense with a great QB, and 3 different OCs had a desire/need to get him more involved.
He got a lot of mileage out that game and some of the other big plays he’s made. I wouldn’t call him pedestrian. I think he’s a good WR2 but like you pointed out he does have some flaws. My prediction is that he’s the same WR he was in Buffalo. -
5 minutes ago, Commish said:
I believe Joe Marino reported yesterday that Samuel runs 49% out of the slot, the remainder out wide or in the backfield.
I’ve seen several different numbers on his usage. Not sure why - guess we have to pick someone to be believe -
15 hours ago, FireChans said:
thank u beane god
You can look at this two different ways:Positive.
Samuel knows the Brady offense and had his best season with Joe as his OC. He also brings a dimension of speed and explosiveness has been lacking. Brady has also shown that he can utilize the talent better than Dorsey could as evidenced by James Cook, Khalil Shakir, Ty Johnson, and Dalton Kincaid who all came on after he took over.Negative.
Samuel runs 70% of his snaps out of slot. The Bills have Shakir who established himself as an upcoming slot receiver. Is Samuel going to take snaps away from a promising player? Also at this point in his career Diggs seemed to trending into more of a slot receiver.
You can argue that while Buffalo gets a player with more speed, they now have 3 WR’s best suited for slot WR and not a true outside WR unless you include Hollis.
Either way it’s a signal that Buffalo is doubling down on what Brady wants to do on offense. They tried the same under Ken Dorsey and he never found a way to really get the most out of players like OJ Howard, James Cook, or Nyheim Hines. Hopefully that changes
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17 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:
Beane and McDermott are so dumb for letting him go and get poached by the Giants 🤪
The way that some Bills fans talked about Hodgins in 2022, you would have thought they gave away an All Pro.
He did well with the opportunities he was given last season in NY, but this season he struggled to do much of anything. As the NYG receiving corps improved a bit, Hodgins snapped decreased.
I think if the Bills were to sign him, he’d be in the same position as 2022 as a WR5/WR6 trying to crack the roster w/o playing special teams
Would the Chiefs had ended up with Worthy without the trade with the Bills?
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Jerry Jones loves Texas players and the rumor was that Dallas was looking into Worthy. I’m guessing that KC called Buffalo because they felt there was a chance Dallas (or one of the other remaining teams) were drafting Worthy.
We’ll never know who the other 3 teams would have picked. But I can’t see it going either way