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28 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:
Reading this sounds more like the Jets than the Bills. How can the Super Bowl favorite have so many holes?
Jesus people! I'm not saying these are massive holes!
Lower in the list = maybe worth a 6th or 7th rounder!
Let's just skip the draft!
This is about adding pieces to the roster. Maybe TWO of this draft class would actually start....
31 minutes ago, CNY315 said:Upgrading at CB has been talked about the last 2-3 seasons.
Listing TE makes this feel like a troll thread
So you're happy with Knox.... okay.
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Guys..... Chill! lol
I'm not saying that the whole roster needs to be blown up. The positions at the bottom of that list are the positions that I feel are very MINOR needs. For example, while many here (even me last week....) are hoping for a high pick on a WR, I've changed my mind on that, and feel that a late rounder OR NOT AT ALL would suffice.
I think that ideally the first three rounds should be spent on:
O-Line: OG and/or OC
TE
RB
CB
Obviously there are only 3 picks..... so out of those 5 options, we'd get 3....
Do I really have to spell this out so literally? Let's be nice.....
WR is very strong compared to OL (for example....). If we TRADE UP, we have maybe 5 picks in this draft. I'm hoping for OL, CB, RB, TE as early options.
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Yeah but he's a linebacker. You'll see him up on the line and also back. Depends on the alignment, matchups etc. I agree with you though on the premise that he adds a pass rush element lost by a key departure.
We may skip DE in this draft because of that point. We'll see!
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Hey folks,
I might be an outlier here, but my mind has changed a few times in the lead up to the draft. After we've added a few key pieces to our roster, and lost a few others, I'm starting to think that our draft needs have shifted.... surprisingly in my opinion to OFFENSE moreso than defense.
Hear me out.
Positional groups needs I think are in the following order of "need". While I DO understand that some positions are more noticeable if the team is weaker at that position (like QB, Cornerback), here are our positional grouping needs in order of weakest to strongest.
Center: I feel that Center has been the most sneaky need this team has, and feel that the position MUST be upgraded in the early rounds, without question. Not only do we lack depth but Morse needs and upgrade as the starter.
Tight End: We have one of the best QB's in the league but completely lack the TE option on this team. In KC, Kelce is such a threat that their WR's look that much better since safeties can't double cover or drop too deep for support. I'd say a second rounder on TE is a serious option for the upcoming draft.
Guard: Part of the reason we haven't had a great running game is due to the lack of a dominant, run-blocking front. While I feel that our runningbacks in their own right don't exactly instill fear in opposing defenses, an upgrade at ONE guard spot could help in this regard. Hoping for a balanced target, but one that has a nasty streak that can can create some inside lanes. It MIGHT even help Moss elevate his game.
Runningback: We suck. Sorry but we do. I used to be a big Tomlinson fan and have been longing to see a DOMINANT run game from the Bills. Having the THUNDER to go with Allen's lightning would have a domino effect of helping out Diggs/Davis on the outside. Stack the box? Well that would help our NEW TE, as well as our WRs.
Defensive End: Yes, I know I'm an outlier here, but IF we don't bring back Hughes, I feel that's a bigger loss than some on this board feel. Boogie, Epensa, Addison, Lawson are all playing at a backup level (on this playoff caliber team).
Cornerback: This is where I have cornerback, but it likely bumps up to somewhere near the top because, like I mentioned, corner is one of those positions where you've GOT to have quality starters or the whole game will unravel. I think we need not one, but two additions. I think that Taron Johnson might be the only corner I feel somewhat happy with. Siran Neal should NOT start.
Offensive Tackle: Could use an upgrade, and if we go OT, it would be a good idea. HOWEVER, if there are "equal quality" players on the board with any of the above positions, you have to go with another player.
Linebacker: NOT a fan of our depth, but Von Miller changed the whole story here. If Edmunds turns it around, this could be a very good group. Thumbs down to Milano.
FINAL ON MY LIST is WR: It used to be higher, and I DO think we should draft a WR outside of the first 3 rounds UNLESS some amazing wideout slips to us. I like our top 2 WR, and Crowder in the slot. Can we do better than Crowder? Yes, BUT again, I'd rather add a dominant TE and/or RB..... and/or an upgrade(s) to our OL.
Okay............ let me have it.
Be gentle. lol
Forgot to mention: S and QB not a draft need right now.
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5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
A lot more wins than trying to load up in defense…
Except against KC in the playoffs, which is what counts! The Bills were "unstoppable" in that game. Very exciting!!!
....and then the defense failed.
I'd say LINEBACKER was the biggest issue there. They are slow, and can't cover Kelce if their life depended on it. I just looked at PFF and they are the weakest...
1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said:Is DE a draft need? With Von Miller, Boogie, Epenesa, Shaq Lawson and Rousseau I think the position is covered.
Rosseau is excellent, but the rest you mentioned are average at best. I think that Hughes is a big loss that would need to be filled.
Von Miller is a linebacker, not a DE. I guess in a 3-4, he'd be an OLB but not a true DE.
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I feel bad for Americans.
Out of 330 MILLION people, and this is the best you can come up with?
I'm severely unhappy with Trudeau here in Canada as well, so I'm not going to speak too loudly. But wow..... Biden is an embarrassment out there on the World stage.
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57 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said:
Boom or bust?
Time will tell... That's a multimillion dollar gable right there.
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My vote goes to bringing back Jerry Hughes.... I know it's not flashy, but he's still playing at a high level IMO and it brings continuity to a DL that has undergone some change.
It also eliminates DE from our draft needs.
1 year rental (or even 2 year "final contract")
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The Bills should hire you as a scenario consultant.
Wondering if you post a BIG BOARD closer to the draft date.
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1 hour ago, Rubes said:
What would you do with it?
Does anyone know how much $$$$ is needed in the coffers for rookie signings?
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ScorpionZero.
How many mocks are you going to post? LOL
Maybe keep a few to yourself?
Love your last mock though. Would love if that were our result.
Just not big on Haskins. Seems slow on the field. Lacks acceleration to hit the hole.
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Wow thanks for your responses.
I have a few takeaways here from what "we're" saying.
1. Beane has a tendency to move up for players he covets.
2. Cornerback is arguably the most likely move to go up and get a player, and SAUCE might be the only one worth the cost of such a move. Question is whether Sauce can find himself closer to the bottom of the top 10 or a bit further down (crazier things have happened).
Personally I don't like where we are at 25 and see a bit of a GAP in talent at that spot. I'm hoping a top 20 talent slips to 25, but would be happy to just get up there and get an instant differencemaker.
I do have a feeling that Andrew Booth will be there at 25, he he'll be our pick. I hope not though..... A bit of a boom or bust player IMO.
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Hello Bills Fans,
First off, my apologies if this has been discussed in another draft thread, but when looking through, I could not find it. For the first time in a WHILE, I feel like the Bills have less holes than "usual" to fill, and with last season's playoff showing, I am very excited to see where this team can go in the upcoming season.
Yes, there are some clear needs and we have discussed what positions to go for in the first round. I'm usually a STICK AND PICK strategist with the draft, but this year we can afford to spend one or more draft picks to MOVE UP and get an impact player. Are there any below that are worth it?
I've seen in our discussions:
Corner
Linebacker
Wide Receiver
D-line
O-line
So what I'd like to discuss here... is if there are any TOP 10 Talents (or TOP 20) that WILL NOT be available at #25 (or at least unlikely) even in the best hopeful scenario..... that we could consider moving up for, what draft capital that move would cost, and if it would be in the best interests of the team to make such a move.
To consider: TOP 10
-Is there a top 10 Cornerback that would be an instant impact player? Stingley? McDuffy? Gardner?
-Is there a top 10 WR that could justify such a move? I'm thinking NO......
-Is there a top 10 Linebacker? I'm thinking NO....
-How about DL? Hutch? Thibodeaux? Karlaftis? I'm thinking maybe...
-O-line? There are quite a few top 10 OT's on that list. Is Left Tackle worth such a move?
To consider: TOP 20 (a less drastic move). Is there any ONE player that can be that much of a difference maker compared to the 20-30 ranked range?
11. Drake London WR USC
12 Garrett Wilson WR OHIO STATE
13 Bernhard Raimann TC MICHIGAN
14 Travon Walker ED GEORGIA
15 Devin Lloyd LB UTAH
16 Jameson Williams WR ALABAMA
17 Devonte Wyatt DI GEORGIA
18 Nakobe Dean LB GEORGIA
19 Tyler Linderbaum C IOWA
20 Jordan Davis DI GEORGIA
TOP 21-32: QB's removed
21 Chris Olave WR OHIO STATE
23 Trevor Penning T N IOWA
24 David Ojabo ED MICHIGAN
26 Jermaine Johnson II ED FLORIDA ST
27 Andrew Booth Jr. CB CLEMSON
28 Lewis Cine S GEORGIA
29 Kaiir Elam CB FLORIDA
30 Jalen Pitre CB BAYLOR
31 Treylon Burks WR ARKANSAS
32 Zion Johnson G BOSTON COL
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Devin Lloyd? Yes please, even if there are long term plans for Tremaine. Tremaine needs a huge season this year in order for CONSIDERATION of a large extension. If he falls flat, he's out. Pretty simple!
In any case, I'd be extremely happy to see Devin in Buffalo. Just thinking about that KC game, I'd love to see a more stout defense...... And Kelce is one heck of a TE.
We need to counter that.
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19 hours ago, DCofNC said:
Vs the guys we have now? I’d take a good rookie
I'd take a good rookie too. Just that they are hard to find.
I really wish we addressed this in FA.
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I find it interesting that we're talking about Moss' vision. I think that he's never had it so why would he now? His main college attributes were his straight forward, bruising style that really needs a bit more of a hole from his O-linemen to have any effect. If he can't get to level2, he's toast.
This is the reason I thought the draft pick was wasted on him.
BUT I still hope to eat crow on those words...
It's not like he's a first round draft bust, so I'm good with his role as a backup RB. Let's not be too hard on him. He never was meant to be a feature back right?
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Here's hoping Moss becomes what the team envisioned him to be.
Personally, I remember being rather unhappy with the pick, preferring others on my "BIG BOARD" over him. But what do I know....
My stand on this is that we need a starting RB who will instill fear in opposing defenses. To date, Moss isn't that guy, but I also wonder if Moss would do better with a more run-heavy scheme and with an upgrade to our OL.
As a team on the brink of a superbowl run..... I'm not comfortable with wait and see. If we can snag Kenneth Walker III, it improves our CHANCES of having a dominant run game.
Just imagine having a dominant RB. It would give defensive coordinators fits with Allen's ability to get the ball downfield. Stack the box? Um.... Thank you very much!
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25. Chris Olave. WR, Ohio State
57. Kenneth Walker III. RB, Michigan State
89. Jeremy Ruckert. TE, Ohio State
130. Terrel Bernhard. LB, Baylor
168. Lecitus Smith. OG, Virginia Tech
185. Isaac Taylor-Stuart. CB, USC
203. Kalon Barnes. CB, Baylor
231. Nick Ford. OC, Utah
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I'd take a corner if the board shaped up that way in the first.
Really depends on who might slip down to 25. There are players in our first round BIG BOARD that I'd take over a corner. I agree that corner is a huge need, but at the same time, I think we should have addressed this need a bit more in FA.
Do we really want to make a serious superbowl challenge with ANY rookie corner matching up against a seasoned vet, playoff-caliber WR?
Corners need developing, even the best draftees.
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PICK 1: Zaquandre White, RB - South Carolina:
PICK 2: Connor Heyward, TE/FB/KR - Michigan State
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23 hours ago, Gugny said:
"IF BRADY WAS DRAFTED BY THE BROWNS, HE WOULD BE A NOBODY TODAY."
I actually think your data proves otherwise. It tells me that Brady is the only common denominator and he would have been the GOAT anywhere.
That's a good point, but add to that a consistently great (not just good) O-line, and there's two parts of the recipe. The Browns' O-line has been spotty at best. As for WR's, I think you have to have a minimum of ONE top WR in the category of "route runner". Plus you have to have a smart coach that calls the right plays... I guess what I'm saying is that a QB isn't ever the only factor.
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Graphs aside, it's an interesting core question. We all hate Brady. Let's just get that out of the way... but we have to look at him in relation to this question.
Undeniably, he's been one of the best QB's in this league with numerous MVP awards, well over 10 Probowls, 6 Superbowls, and 3 Superbowl MVP awards.
So is Brady a product of his WR's or vice versa? Plus there's the O-LINE discussion that should be noted. Do O-LINE'S make a QB?
If you don't want to talk about Brady, a similar discussion can be had about Montana, Peyton Manning, Favre, Elway, Marino, or Brees... But I thought that Bills fans would know their ENEMY the best, so Brady it is....
First off, Brady has arguably enjoyed one of the most consistently good O-lines in the league. He can stand in the pocket and get the ball out quick. His coaches always drew up a playbook that plays to his strengths. Getting the ball out quick, with a few well timed deep balls. I'd say Brady's O-line has MORE to do with his production over the years than his wide receivers, but here's a closer look at his "targets" over the past 3 years.
Personally, I see these lists as "stable hands" with the top WR's as being great route runners, and not "big time, deep threat, stars". Randy Moss might have been that guy, but it's the exception to the Patriots rule IMO. Add to that one of the better TE's over the years with Gronk, and you've got an amazing "game managing, short game". Get the ball out quick, exploit mismatches, and outsmart defensive game planning.
The bottom line for me, is that the GREAT QB's are not great on their own. They have: 1. Consistently SOLID O-lines., 2. Smart game planning/coaching., 3. Solid WR's with top notch route running skills, but they don't have to be superstar deep threats.
IF BRADY WAS DRAFTED BY THE BROWNS, HE WOULD BE A NOBODY TODAY.
2019/20:
12-4, 1st AFC East, Lost Wildcard Playoffs
2018/19:
11-5, 1st AFC East, Won the Superbowl
2017/18:
13-3, 1st AFC East, Lost the Superbowl
We can go further back, but that's too much work... They have made the playoffs every single year since Brady took over at QB, with NINE Superbowl appearances, and 5 wins.
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Nice to have "some" recognition by the media.
I think that our safety tandem could BOTH be on that list.
Tremaine Edmunds could have gotten a "nod" of some sort.
I might be an outlier here...... Draft needs
in The Stadium Wall
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One thing I've noticed about some bills fans on this board is that you have rose coloured glasses on on some topics.
Do you disagree that the OL needs a few key pieces?
Cornerback?
A dominant runningback?
Weren't you jealous of KC's Kelce?
That's basically what my thread was all about and the "needs" low on the list are negligible.
I disagree we need a top 3 round WR example....
Man some of you are dense....