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Thanks for contributing nedboy7.
From what I'm seeing, there are a core group of nay-sayers but also some who agree with some of the points I layed out. I know I differ in opinion than most, hence the outlier thread topic.
I'm holding strong on the need to create dominant run game and give Allen more protection. That includes targeting Hall or KWIII, and shoring up the interior OL (and for me, that includes Center, a point that many disagree on, but that's okay).
TE seems to be another point of contention. I DO like Knox, but think we can add another TE.
Some squabble over where I had CB, but I still feel that we should target CB in the first three rounds despite where they are on my list (because, like I said in the OP, that position is "amplified" if you will.... and being weak at CB or QB, those positions have to be addressed earlier in drafts).
Anyways, I like the way Airseven outlined himself and I'll do the same.
NOTE: If a top 15 prospect slips to 25, go with BPA, including WR, LB, OT, DT, S (and of course any positions listed below)
Round1: CB, OC, OG, RB (but only in a trade down). May need to trade UP for a corner in the first, because I feel that the best first round corners will be gone before 25, and I hate when teams reach on "need" and miss out on "value". Remember though, we would need a trade partner, which does not always happen, so for me, if the top CB's are gone, we should stick with VALUE and I believe that would be an interior O-lineman. Linderbaum (the player we seem to be all upset over....) has been flying off the mock drafts earlier than 25 in some cases, so he might not even be an option. We MAY be looking at an OG in round one if one of the top 15 prospects does not slip to us. Best value, BPA, and a position of need.
Round 2: Depending on what we get in round one; CB, OC, OG, RB, TE. (If we get a position above, cross it off the list). This is where I feel we may need to either trade down to get Hall or KWIII OR trade up to the top of the second. I strongly feel that Allen and our WRs would explode next season if we had defenses having to contend with a top 5 running game.
Round 3: CB, Interior OL, TE. Here is where I'm hoping for either McBride, Likely, or Ruckert. HOWEVER, if we still haven't landed a cornerback, I think you have to go Corner unless Beane finds some magical way to get a starting corner outside of the draft. We've seen draft day player trades before so although it's rare, I'll be looking out for it on draft day.
For the rest of the draft, I basically think BPA is the way to go and my positions are below. Numbers below that.
Round 4: CB (I would pick CB in any round as we not only need a starter, but better depth), DE, DT, OT, LB, WR
Round 5: CB (I would pick CB in any round as we not only need a starter, but better depth), DE, DT, OT, LB, WR
Round 6: CB (I would pick CB in any round as we not only need a starter, but better depth), DE, DT, OT, LB, WR
Round 7: CB (I would pick CB in any round as we not only need a starter, but better depth), DE, DT, OT, LB, WR
Numbers:
No more than two CB
No more than one OC
No more than one TE
No more than two OG
No more than two RB
No more than two LB
No more than two WR
No more than one DE
The reality is, that on this high talent roster, late round picks will have a hard time making the 53 man roster, and will be more likely destined for the PS, and developed. Cornerbacks have a chance. I'd say linebackers as well.
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And another article from "right here" on TE Likely as a potential target. Projects to the 3rd or 4th round.
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So if the above article were right (and with the writer's justification of such a pick), my guess is that Morse would slide to Guard. I'd approach the rest of the draft as above. I wanted CB in round 3, but the value wasn't there.
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3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
The OP must work for the Athletic as article today with mock draft has Bills taking center in first round. LOL Not sure I buy it but.... Can he also play guard? Doesn't say, if so could more see this happening and he starts out at guard.
Tyler Linderbaum, Center, Iowa
Interior offensive linemen have been an issue for Buffalo during Josh Allen’s tenure as quarterback, and Linderbaum provides an immediate salve to a group that was leaky in protection early in 2021. The best quarterbacks and offensive coordinators rave about what an elite center does for an offense play-to-play, and Linderbaum may well be an All-Pro before he completes his rookie contract.
Thanks for posting this!
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Excellent news! Thanks for posting!
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Thanks for the discussion and entertainment today.
....and now back to your regularly scheduled program.
It will be interesting to see what happens on draft day and who our starters will be.
Go Bills
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1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
But again, if the plan were truly that we must have a veteran in here on the other side and had fear of starting one of the top 4 or 5 CB's in the Draft, we'd have gotten it done with somebody. You can't tell me we did what we did to get Von Miller, addressed all the other positions we did, and that we just couldn't get a deal done with any of the many CB's that were available.
It's obvious the plan was and is to get a long term, quality starter at a cost controlled price tag; knowing we're paying Tre a lot on the other side. Only one way to do that. And his actions (or lack thereof) at CB this offseason confirm it.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. So who are your "hopefuls" in early rounds? And do you have any sleepers beyond round 3 that could fill that role?
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5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
With who? Steven Nelson and Stefon Gilmore (not that he was ever a real option) were signed by other teams recently. Those that are left are career journeyman or guys really long in the tooth. They're just a band aid and we'd just be pushing out having to Draft a legitimate starter to another season.
And again, you have to think logically here. If this were the plan, we'd have attacked it in Free Agency. They aren't going to take a starting position and just say "eh, we'll just take whoever's left over after the Draft who will accept our low-ball offer bc they don't have a choice. In the meantime, we'll just let everyone get scooped up and take just anybody who's left".
And Beane is already paying Tre too CB money. So he's not going to turn around and pay top CB money on the other side too. Especially with the players who become FA's next season, when guys like Josh, Von, and Diggs' cap numbers rise significantly.
A 3rd Round Pick and a Journeyman FA doesn't cut it. Especially when you consider Tre might not be available to start the season. We'll sign a guy for depth and to provide some help with Tre out. But it's not someone you rely on to start for this team long term and you're not going to pay them long term.
Yeah I agree. It's slim pickings out there for CBs. Nobody's arguing that CB is a high draft need. I just wished Beane landed a quality FA. We only see the outcome. We don't see how many OFFERS were made to land an FA CB. Can't win them all (I'm assuming here though... that there were calls).
Just found this on PFF discussing potential post draft cap casualties. If the draft board shaped up to draft OC high, Morse might be a cap casualty. That's a big IF, but I'm not the only one thinking that the INTERIOR O-LINE needs to be addressed.
From PFF:
"BUFFALO BILLS: C MITCH MORSE
Cut cap savings: $8,500,000
Cut dead money: $2,750,000The Bills signed center Morse to a four-year, $44 million contract heading into quarterback Josh Allen’s second season, an important addition to help the young signal-caller make protection calls and oversee a high-octane offense. While Morse has been solid if unspectacular, he agreed to a pay cut prior to the 2021 season and followed that up with his lowest pass-blocking and run-blocking grades so far in Buffalo.
Buffalo has made it clear that protecting Allen is its top priority going forward, but the $8.5 million in potential savings from releasing Morse may help accomplish that goal more than retaining him. "
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2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:
Hall in the first would be terrible and there should be no way the Bills waste draft capital that way.
If you want hall - trade back 20 spots and have it - do not waste a 5th year option position by drafting a RB. 🤢
Yes, I agree with a trade back, but not out of the first. He'll be gone sooner than pick 45 IMO.
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7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
This speaks to something that drives me nuts with fans.
You can personally dislike a player we sign or extend. You can question whether they're the right guy or not. But when the moves are made, you have to take emotion out of it and look at things logically as to what role they were signed for. You don't sign people or extend people and then immediately cut them.
You don't like Mitch Morse? Well, they just gave him an extension. So they aren't going to cut him. They'd have done that instead of extending him if the plan were to replace him this season. And you're not going to pay him what he's being paid to be a backup.
Disappointed in the O.J. Howard signing? Well we only keep two Tight Ends active and the past couple years we've only had two Tight Ends on the 53. Dawson Knox isn't going anywhere this season. And we didn't sign Howard to immediately cut him or make him inactive. He signed for 3.5 million, 3.2 guaranteed. This isn't a Jacob Hollister situation (who signed for 1.1 with 100k guaranteed).
Not a fan of Rodger Saffold or question Ryan Bates ability to be a long term starter? Saffold is a Pro Bowler who signed for 6.2 million with 5.9 guaranteed. He's starting this season.
Bates was signed to be a starter in Chicago to a 17 million dollar contract over 4 seasons, 9 million guaranteed. While being a good contract for a starter, he wouldn't have paid that for a depth guy. And he wouldn't have taken the opportunity for him to start elsewhere away from him for less of an opportunity here. He's starting this season.
Long story short, you can dislike a move. But that doesn't mean you can just act like it didn't happen and expect Beane to do better, by your standards.
Nobody expects draftees to be immediate starters. Even some first rounders need some time.... You draft for team building, continuity, and adding youth to aging positional groups. If you are lucky enough to find an immediate, starting caliber upgrade, you are doing well, especially on a playoff caliber team like the bills.
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5 minutes ago, Mango said:
The reasoning for each position group really isn’t relevant. Your argument is that Mitch Morse is either the worst starter or the weakest link on the entire roster. And that is not that Dane Jackson is CB1, or that if either Diggs or Davis get hurt the Bills start positioning Goodell to ban the forward pass.
Of course if the team grabs a TE, LB, or IOL in the top 100 while addressing CB/WR in FA or via trade nobody is going to get angry. But the entire premise you keep trying to drive home is flawed from the get go.
I said in my OP that CB is likely at the top of the list that I posted...... And I didn't say anything about Siran Neal or Dane Jackson being better than Morse. Both are most certainly NOT better than Morse.... I see Taron Johnson as a player with more upside actually. We need to address CB in FA, and pick CB in the top 3 or 4 rounds.
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Just disputing the "look at me" comment John.
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9 minutes ago, Pete said:
An outlier in LOOK AT ME posts
Geez.... I'm just having a conversation here.
Not enjoying the negativity.
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RB Breece Hall in round 1
TE Trey McBride in round 2
Corner round 3
O-line round 4/5
Late round considerations: WR, LB, DL, OT. (WR is deep in this draft and we can get a speedy option in round 5)
Depends on how the board shapes up each round.
Honest to God I'm not a troll here. I just see RB/TE/OL as a higher need than many of you. CB is a huge need. I just hope that there will be a post draft CB FA that becomes available. It's unlikely but Beane really should have addressed this hole earlier IMO.
I'm not sure if I want the team going into the season counting on a rookie CB in a starting role (with a playoff game on the line).
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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
No disrespect, but this may be the worst take on our "needs" that I have seen.
The fact you have CB ranked so low is mind blowing, despite the fact the only CB capable of starting week 1 right now is our 3rd string CB from last year. We don't know when Tre will be ready or even how well he will play when he gets back. Its literally our weakest positional group on the whole roster and thinnest right now too.
Dane Jackson did ok until he got smoked by KC in the playoffs.
Most puzzling is in your description of CB need you literally say it is one of the top needs, there is only one DB (a nickel corner at that) on the roster you trust, and even acknowledge we need 2 CB's even. Yet you ranked CB need 6th on your list. Sorry man, that just doesn't make any sense to me.
And how you have TE as the 2nd biggest need is also puzzling. We are all set at TE this year, but yes another one could and probably will be drafted given both are FA's next year. But in terms of "need" its no where near as pressing as CB and IOL probably are.
And how is S not a draft need right now if you have these others listed as a "need". Poyer is a FA after this season, is over 30, and Bills have met with multiple safety prospects already. Its possible they don't plan to resign Poyer for cap reasons given all the players we have coming up for new deals. So, if you are gonna list TE for example as a need, how is safety not one too?
Again, just giving feedback, not meant to be disrespectful. But this list just didnt make any sense.
OH...almost forgot...your take on the RB's is way off. You realize that in the 7 games we actually gave Singletary real carries, his stats were great right? When Devin got 13 or more carries last year (7 total games, 4 of which came in the last 6 games) he averaged over 80 yards a game, 4.7 YPC and had 7 TDs. Projected over a whole season its basically 1400 yards rushing and 17 TD's. So sorry man, our RBs are not terrible, Daboll just didn't commit enough to establishing the run until the end of the season where Devin was quite good.
Just read the actual words I wrote about CB.....
I appreciate your response. I just respectfully disagree that TE is set. I want a dominant playmaker there. Not an average player.
I hear you about Safety and just thought that we'd be good for one more season. Our starters are HIGH quality at both FS and SS. TE, I just feel Knox isn't much of a threat. That's all....
I like Singletary but not as a feature back. Watching Hall and KWIII in the lead up to the draft has me thinking we could do much better. I don't think defenses do much planning around Singletary, but would potentially take more time/notice scheming against Hall or KWIII.
Thanks for your response.
9 minutes ago, BillsDude said:Just replace the "Hear me out" with "This my sound stupid but". then I will give you a trophy.
Wow, you thought up that joke all by yourself. I'll give you a trophy.
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That I think we can ALL agree on..
Here's a question.
Which player do you think is the weakest STARTING link on offense?
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13 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:
Instead of being a troll like 1/8th of the people on this board... instead of putting a thumbs down or a puke and not explain it.. Im going to take the time to tear this post up and put it back together again as to why your wrong at some positions.
Center: In my opinion Center is a concern but not this year.. It is something we have to watch for Next year for the future. this is not a NOW issue. This team is being built to win NOW and with Josh, our future is bright.. so I get your point.. your a year to early.
TE: So yea.. TE was a concern.. we wanted Gronk... but then we got Howard. Getting a TE goes 2 fold. A. As a 2 TE threat... another way to score.. B. To have a Vet TE on the team and try and get Knox to the next level of greatness. Gronk would be a one year deal.. Howard is a one year deal. only one team has the best TE in the business.. thats KC.. That being said, I could see a late round pick at TE and hope we hit gold... and likely hit fools gold.
Guard: This is where I am with you.. I have no problems getting a mid round Guard. 0
Runningback: We don't suck but we are average. A great RB would make this team so diverse. I also am one of the few that would love a second round HB. SPEED....
Defensive End: The dudes name is Miller... Von Miller.. (you know Bond... James Bond) its covered... your wrong here..
Cornerback: Captain obvious we need a CB
Offensive Tackle: You cant be top end madden in every position. we are slightly better then average here and I am ok with it.
Linebacker: not a immediate need. Edmunds is not top caliber and I think most will agree we can get better here... but we can also got LOTS worse...
WR: yep.. SPEED!
***YOUR FATAL FLAW***
You named every position accept QB on offense... Really? even though I know your not trolling or trying to put a stupid post up.. it screams Troll and or screams WHAT THE HECK IS THIS! Thus your going to get a horrible reaction. DID you watch the KC game? Our OL was not the issue.. it was what we were doing on defense or the lack there of...
This League wont see a team for a long time now that had one of the Best QB in the game.. Best TE in the game and Best WR in the game... wont happen again for a long time... Mahomes/Hill/Kelce made each other look CRAZY good...
A MOD here told me one time... making Quality posts in these forums is more important than Quantity.
You just basically said we need upgrade at every position on the offense accept QB. In general.. your right... we could use an upgrade at many of these positions.. I just don't think this thread is practical and does not serve the purpose you were hoping for... And you made some errors in here...
Thanks for the well thought out post.
Let me respond.
Center: This team can win with our current center, but I'd be happy if the BOARD fell a certain way on draft day and the OC was the best of window Beane is looking at. I wouldn't throw my beer at the TV if we picked OC even in the first round if it were Linderbaum (and the other candidates would be considered reaches).
Runningback: Seems like we are in agreement, although my description of the group we have is more harsh.
DE: We are in agreement except I was listing Miller as a Linebacker (and yes I know he can play at the line too.
Corner: We are in agreement
OT: We are in agreement (which is why OT is close to the bottom of my list). Not a high need, but we could add a developmental late rounder to shore up depth and look to the future.
Linebacker: Seems we are in agreement here too.
WR: I agree we need speed but if the question was down between a WR vs. a RB like KWIII or Hall, I'd go RB.
As for the "fatal flaw", I think what some are confusing here is that I don't expect an upgrade at every offensive position. Just the ones at the top of my list. My "needs" at the bottom (and you can see this in the OP explanation) are LOW DRAFT NEEDS (almost negligible, but worth mentioning).
Thanks again for taking some time to think about this instead of piling on.
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3 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:
I agree, and like Knox quite a bit. I shouldn't have denoted TE as a hole, but as an area where we would love to see improvement to ensure that we have the elite talent required to win a SB.
Exactly!
I'm looking for any possibility of ELITE talent, needed for a serious superbowl push.
4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:Talk about being nice.......
I agree we should draft Kelce in the first. You would have to be stupid not to take Kelce if he drops to us.
Sorry.... You're right. I just lost my patience with that guy.....
I think that Trey McBride would look great on this team.
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2 minutes ago, Htt2821 said:
Now you are moving the goalposts…we are saying we are set at TE AFTER they signed Howard and we would be saying the same thing if they signed Gronk.
The article you linked is before FA even began.
I was disappointed in that signing.
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If we are set at TE, why were the Bills considering Gronkowski? I do like Knox. Great character, and I agree that he showed improvement down the stretch. I'm hungry to beat KC..... Bills need a superbowl and any improvement would be welcome.
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2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:
This is the most pinpoint response to the OP. While I understand why many responses have been to chastise his take, I also understand what he is saying. The needs are not exclusively WR3 and CB as many have denoted on the board. The team is a SB favorite because of Josh. But, if you take out Josh, Diggs and Gabe, where is the truly elite offense? The OL is okay, and will need to gel with Bates presumably switching sides and Saffold in the mix. Knox is building and did really well towards the end of the season, but is not the super-elite TE that KC, SF and LV enjoy at this point. There are holes without a doubt.
All that being said, CB has to be at the top of that list. Josh can make that O go, but if there's no true CB1 to start the season (with all due respect to Dane, that's not his fit at this point) there is a GIANT hole on one side of the field. Also, getting a CB2 under a rookie contract for 4 years is a very smart play.
Nicely stated. THANK-YOU!
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1 minute ago, Paul Costa said:
12 days from now we will know what Beane is thinking? He’ll have a good plan. Part of me thinks Yantha is having some fun with us. 😉
Draft can't come soon enough.
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2 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:
And some of you are ignored.
Appreciated. Would rather chat with fans with more than one brain cell....
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2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
Just because people, including me, are disagreeing with you doesn't mean we are not being nice.
Imo, you are off on your take except for beefing up the OL early in the draft. As an example, Speed at WR is a very clear need
Speed at WR would be nice for sure, but since we have 3 picks in the top 3 rounds, I'd prefer a dominant TE, and dominant RB. if I had to make that choice between a WR and those two options.
I might be an outlier here...... Draft needs
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Depends on whether we draft a very high round OG this year that proves in training camp that he could beat out Saffold or Bates. For all we know, we might just draft a few developmental Interior O-linemen, and run with our current starters. Depends on what the draft provides.