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So who do you think they should bring in? A bit of back of the envelope roster and cap math: At this point, the Bills have 68 guys under contract. They have 6 draft picks: 74 guys They usually bring in 10-12 UDFA, 84-86 guys under contract So, they would in theory have roster spots for 4-6 guys BUT They will also need to look carefully at the roster For one thing, getting some guaranteed $$ is gonna be important to these guys, and we don't have enough cap space to hand those guaranteed $$ out too freely. Assuming Lawson and Jarvis signed for vet minimum or close to it, we have about $6M in cap available at the moment. The rookie class should cost about $2.3M ($4.6M total but bump 2 guys off the top 51), leaving about $3.8M So if we want some signings above vet minimum, we got to make some cap moves.

We've moved on. Who's hotter, Matt Milano or Dawson Knox? My answer is "Yes".

LOL a while back, apparently Eric Turner of Cover1 gave his wife a wine glass (or she got one) that said "Drink Until your Husband Looks Like Josh Allen". His wife apparently "fixed it" by crossing out "Josh Allen" and writing in "Matt Milano".

@muppy has dibbs

Agree. I'm on record upthread pointing out that a partial UCL tear in Game 8, that reportedly forced a different throwing motion, is probably sufficient explanation for a fall-off in play. And I agree with you that the Bengals game was a team-wide suckage, starting on both OL and DL. My intent was just to point out why it's an issue that fans do have concerns about, looking towards next season, if it's true.

I understand the skepticism, because of all the stories there have been about mega-churches misappropriating funds and pastors of mega-churches misbehaving (and misappropriating funds). We have our own family stuff against "prosperity gospel" here. But of all the things in the world to be critical of or concerned about, a church holding a prayer service lifting up someone who's injured or ill seems low on the list. It says they're sharing a message from the Pegulas, so there must be some kind of Pegula family approval.

Overall, good take and I mostly agree. Certainly agree the happy image people can present on social media doesn't necessarily represent what's going on behind the scenes. A seven year relationship that hasn't led to engagement/marriage could be proceeding on inertia/habit or could very well have some things to work through/reconsider. I will say where I think fans care is, we had a very disappointing end to a season where fans had what seemed like legit hopes for a Superbowl. One thing champion athletes seem to have in common is the ability to tune out distractions and focus almost obsessively on the game, the prep for the game, and all the other stuff that goes into showing up for a game in peak mental and physical condition ready for optimal play. So it would be a disappointment to some Bills fans if it's true, that Allen was not sufficiently focused on a championship to keep his personal life from detracting during the season. I think that would be why some fans would care. Others would care because he's kind of presented this squeaky-clean loves dogs and kids image and they want to see things as black/white and people as good/bad, but real people are usually more complicated. Hopefully if something happened it was a learning experience. Most of us have a few of those as the years go by.

Isn't the reverse true as well? That probably 90% of the men on dating apps go after the same 10% of women?

Decent pickup for them if his head's in the game. He managed a 1000 yd season with Teddy Bridgewater throwing to him, as the #2 WR. Decent seasons with the Jets as well for an undrafted guy. IIRC speed is his thing, so at 29 the issue is whether or not he's still got the same wheels. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-add-chosen-anderson-veteran-wide-receiver-reveals-he-is-signing-with-miami/ This is the guy Wilks threw out of the game in Carolina after he got into it with his position coach on the sidelines. Next day, the Panthers traded him to AZ for a 2024 6th and a 2025 7th round pick. The Panthers ate $19M of dead cap in the deal. I don't know the details, but reportedly he had some kind of trouble with the Jets and with his college team as well.

Fair. I can certainly think of a number of injury management decisions I thought were very aggressive - and sometimes that proved to be mistakes (Milano's pec tear comes to mind). Letting Josh play without missing a game after his UCL injury would certainly count as aggressive. But I've never thought we were "ultra cautious" in injury management. People say all sorts of stuff, like that McDermott won't play rookies who are doing great and should be on the field, that I don't think is true.

https://www.si.com/college/georgiatech/football/georgia-techs-keion-white-will-attend-the-2023-nfl-draft

Diggs is a well known playa. Has been all along. There was a reason he was the butt of a "player you wouldn't want to date your sister" fluff piece in Minny. From baby mamma drama there, to "two women in the same hotel on Valentine's Day" last off season, it's same 'ol same 'ol so not worth talking. What would be news about Diggs is if he were suddenly said to be in some kind of committed romantic relationship. That would be a first. I will give him his propers, he's apparently trying to be a good dad to his little daughter. ??

Can't blame ya for trying. Just making it clear I'll be glad to give you your "propers" if you're correct, but I don't bet $ I'm remembering people swearing that Creed Humphrey was a 1st round pick and in fact would be gone before #30, only to see him available at #61. I take the whole draft board/mock draft thing with a healthy salt grinder. Don't get me wrong, it's fun and I admire the work folks like GunnerBill put into it, but year after year, we see that outside the top-10 or so picks in the first round, teams value players quite a bit differently than fans and pundits.

Oh, gee, at this point I'm gonna

I appreciate the invitation, but I don't bet money. Period. Ever. Never even bought a lottery ticket. I'd be happy to make a "NewEra was correct" post if that pleases you.

NoHuddle, most people are complicated. Allen seems different than Jim Kelly, where there was a lot of "smoke" that he was arrogant, not very likeable either to teammates or in the community and so forth early in his career and then after he changed towards teammates, developed PR skills and got married, that he was widely known to be a serial cheater. But someone could, in general, be a high-character genuinely good and nice guy, and still do a moronic thing or three especially under the influence of alcohol. I'm not arguing for or against this being the case, just saying that given how complicated most people are, I don't think being primarily a good character guy who is genuinely caring about sick kids, teammates, friends etc precludes someone from getting drunk and doing something dumb. This is 100% my personal opinion, but if it is true there is a child involved, the child is not placed for adoption, and the whole thing still "never really sees the light of day", then that would mean a man fathered a child and abandoned acting as a father to that child. Which, again my personal opinion, would be a far worse character flaw than maybe having a consensual drunken fling while in a committed relationship (given that the man in question is wealthy and a huge star and likely has women throwing themselves at him regularly). This would actually mean I'd have to respect Tom Brady more than Josh Allen, since Brady is known to act as a father to his side-baby. Which would 😱🥶☠️.

I understand that's sarcasm, but I think the chance that a guy who is being projected as a RT only in the NFL (despite starting a season at LT) and whose draft profile reads like this https://www.nfl.com/prospects/darnell-wright/32005752-4915-3639-216c-bcc7afd9f5d5 has more of a chance to be there at the end of the first round than a guy whose draft profile reads like this https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-carter/32004341-5265-6628-f264-d042e762bc39 I'm aware it's your opinion, I'm disputing the wisdom of an opinion with such absolute nature on a guy like Wright.

I don't mean this as a knock on you, but every year the draft falls differently than all the pundits who spend full time watching it believe it will. So I don't know how one can confidently predict "no chance", or "absolutely".

Oh, OK, sorry. Maybe link your new mock draft in the OP post?

Then they should have been, because they were at times. Your criticism may have been decision making, and decision making is worthy of criticism at times. But for several weeks, Josh was just not taking throws over the middle, and he was missing on throws that he would have made earlier in the season. The UCL thing and its effect on throwing was real, whatever else is or is not real. Josh also talked about needing to move to a more vertical throwing motion instead of his preferred rotational throwing motion that gave him increased accuracy in 2020 forward, after the season.

Rashee Rice over Darnell Wright or Zay Flowers? Huh.

If the baby rumors are true, that's gonna be going on for 18 years or so Personally I woulda thought a partially torn UCL and having to alter his throwing motion in Week 8 would affect his play and be a sufficient explanation. Not of course excluding the possibility that he's actually a moron, socially or relationship-wise, and there were off-field issues as well

Oh I dunno - maybe everyone who took the time to read the thread and post in it?

The Poyer thing is older than that. 2018 off-season. I remember it because Poyer was new here the previous season and I was like "well Boys looks like we got our own Miko Grimes here in the Queen City". But to Poyer's credit, the only thing he contributed publicly was a message about how he looked forward to showing his family he could be a good husband and father for years. It was rumored that Zo Alexander and Micah Hyde had a lot to do with putting things straight for them. It's been 5 years with no further public drama, so I think they deserve a pass on that. Bad guess. Interestingly, Google won't help you much.

No offense, but Efe Obada hasn't been a member of the Bills team since 2021. I'm sure he knows staffers and people still on the team, as well as people in the community, but even on the DL - a lot of the players he played with in 2021 in his position group are gone. Vernon Butler, Star Lotulelei, Harrison Phillips, Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, Justin Zimmer, all not on the team in 2022. Of course, some players and the staff and the community are still there. Taking the report that he was talking about it at a wedding at face value, it begs the question who is his source and is that source really in the know. It seems possible he could be going off the same rumors as everyone else. And then there's the question of which rumors are true - did this happen at Halloween? Did this happen in January before the playoff game? Are we talking cheating? Cheating plus baby? Massive destruction of property? "I know the neighborhood, and talk is cheaper when the story is good" as REO Speedwagon sings. What seems factual is: 1) Britt was posting pictures of Josh going out to shovel before the Browns game Nov 20, a kissy pic on the field after the Dolphins game, and one of those "so proud of you" consolation messages after the Bengals game. 2) she posted pics of them on a Hawaii vacation in late February/early March So whether all, some, or none of this is true they seem to have been together weeks and months after both the timelines of the alleged problems. A few years back when I had an Instagram account and followed the players and WAGs, it seemed as though Josh sent her on a couple of "girls vacations" every Spring with some of her sorority sisters from college and sometimes friends who are other player's girlfriends (Kyle Allen's fiancee/long time GF Summer Juraszek was a regular). So I don't think Britt posting pics of "girls trips" in the spring while Allen may be off training with Ryan Flaherty or at the Master or something, is exactly conclusive breakup evidence, since she's been doing those (on Josh's dime I assume) for years.