Einstein's Dog

Can we please stop with the fictitious Diggs wanted to go to a winner storyline. Everything Diggs did can be explained by a desire to get more money. This is not some change of heart, this is consistent with his motives at every turn. Going from the Bills to Houston was not some decrease in pay situation. Diggs got more money - he got all his guarantee in the one year. Amazing to me how many Bills fans fell for his story.

Yeah, I agree, so far it looks like right now that Palmer is replacing A Cooper and Hollins is being replaced by a larger role for K Coleman. I hope we at least add a good draft pick to the mix. I do like the extensions done by Beane, using guaranteed money to extend at market rates into the future is a great way to keep good players. Wish the deals that were probably offered to Benford and Cook had been accepted.

I think the problem is the FO now has a reduced budget in mind for WR1. I think it was the $30M allocation that kept them out of the DK sweepstakes. D Adams still has talent IMO, but a $20M+ price tag may be out of the new WR1 budget zone. If the FO is tightening the $ on WRs, I really hope they draft one in the first 4 rounds. It needs someone.

There are other options: 1. They could trade Cook before/during the 2025 draft. This would signal the FO is fearing the worst - Cook not playing until week 11 - and not waiting for it to play out. If they move Cook during the draft they could use a 4th (or package a slight trade up) to get another cheap, young RB. 2. They could add some incentives for this year. Like additional money for games played, over 1,000 yards etc. Incentivize Cook for the 2025 season before he walks.

For me it adds to the hurt of missing out on DK Metcalf. That seemed like a reasonable deal for a top tier WR. Just need to adapt to the slight sticker shock of $30M in future years. Seemed like an excellent replacement of the $ (really cap space) that had been given to Diggs. Also I'm having to deal with the probability that the FO is moving away from the high dollar QB/LT/WR1/DL/CB investment strategy that I liked. It now does not seem to include the WR1 in there anymore.

Well with 32 teams you can't be tied for 32nd, you could be tied for 31st.

The problem is Cook may not let himself be run into the ground. He might not play the first 11 games. And after that, game 12, you would probably be leery of his motivation and he wouldn't be starting anymore.

I disagree that he is trying to get paid for the production he has done. Cook's production in '24 was like J Mixon or D Henry - $8M dollar RBs. Cook wants almost double that. IMO Cook is basing his worth on continued improvement - that's only way $15M would come close to making sense. If Cook goes through 2025 and has the same production as 2024 why would a team then pay him more than an inflation adjusted Mixon or D Henry? And I don't think Cook will improve substantially in Buffalo in 2025. I agree with your point about taking the 3rd now. This situation looks like a problem in the making.

Why wouldn't a team trade for Cook, as long as Cook agrees he will play, the acquiring team would get Cook for a year at a great $5M rate. We took A Cooper as a rental. The acquiring team would get a motivated Cook who wants to work all 3 downs for the year for a big FA payday in 2026. Players care about their usage because it is directly tied to their pay. Diggs saw "everyone eats" coming and wanted out. If J Cook sees another 2 to 3 man RB split the same type of analysis says - "get out now". Cook hinders his big payday if he doesn't continue improving his stats.

IMO, it's his agent and brother who are advising him to hold out. By "throwing away" $3M, Cook may get a $12M/yr multi-year contract in 2026 - with a nice chunk of guaranteed money. By playing on his $5M contract he risks getting hurt and not getting this big payday.

As an aside, based on your comment earlier in the thread and realizing this hold out is a real possibility, I have reduced my trade value. Before I couldn't see moving him unless it was a second but now I won't blame Beane for trading for less - this could get ugly and Beane may want to bail. This is unfortunate, just when you're in a position to get good value this happens.

Rookies in their 4th year may not have held out before but there looks like a logical reason to do it. Cook could wait until week 11 to show up. Agreed upon rules? No, it's the contracts and money that are driving this show.

Not if they say they will hold out. Then his value to the Bills and his trade value, decrease significantly. That could be their threat. By holding out for most of the season Cook can still be valued mostly by his nice 2024 stats- with the slight extrapolation of showing the improvement (wouldn't have the expected plateau of all of 2025). This could get ugly. If you don't think Cook's stats in 2025 will increase (which I don't with the same people back) then a logical move by the Cook team is to not play in Buffalo (or at least not until week 11). Cook would want to go to a team that will use him as a bell cow back so his stats in 2025 once again increase.

Cook asking for $20M in 2026?? I don't see it. At least I don't see him getting it. And to even be in the discussion Cook can't just replicate 2024 production he needs to significantly exceed it - in yardage and in usage (needs to be in there on 3rd downs). I think part of the motivation from Cook's camp to get him out of Buffalo is that he will not be a 3 down featured back here, thus never worth $15M (much less $20M). I think it is Brady's vision to use a combination of several RBs, and it makes sense - you need to prepare for a long 20 games, being dependent on one RB is risky (and more expensive in the long run). Brady isn't going to be using Cook as a 3 down back so Beane won't be paying Cook as a top tier 3 down back. So, much like Diggs saw Brady's "everyone eats" mantra as a detriment to his individual stats and forced his way out, it's possible Cook sees Brady's RB usage as limiting his potential payday and wants out. Unfortunately, I can understand the logic from his side (I don't like it but I see it). Seems unlikely Cook will significantly increase his stats in 2025 in Buffalo so you force your way out now.

Reread what I said, I would not trade Cook for a 3rd. Any 3rd rounder we got would not be of the level of Cook so the team would be weaker. If that means no team trades for Cook so be it, have Cook play it out here. You don't trade an ascending top 10 RB, drafted in the second round, with a salary of $5M, for a third.

I would not want to trade Cook for a third. A third round RB would not be as good as Cook is now. This year is the year of most value from Cook at $5M. I hope he plays at this price.

A 3rd? The Bills used a 2nd to get Cook. And the Bills have dealt with the growing pains to get to where he is now, an excellent, but not complete RB. The Bills could probably get something close to a 3rd in a comp pick when he leaves if he gets close to $15M on the open market. Secondly, Cook is one of the offenses most exciting weapons, he has the ability to take it to the house on almost any play. The Bills did not acquire anyone else who is near that level (didn't want DK at his price apparently). Moving on from Cook weakens the team in 2025. So, no, I don't want the FO to trade Cook for a third. Yes, have Cook play out his contract if a reasonable extension isn't able to be done. As to the OP, slight modification, it's not that Cook is talking, it is about the substance of what we see as a negotiating problem. Cook put out a $15M figure clueing in most of Bills nation that there will be a problem (and the problem stems from Cook's end). We don't know if Benford is doing an outrageously high figure because he hasn't posted it. Seems like it was a bizarre miscalculation from Cook's camp that floating that figure would somehow help them.

Yeah, that still hurts. If you look back that's an obvious one and even D Adams hurts for me. When looking to the future though, I'm hoping they are not done because losing A Cooper and even Hollins is not made up for with J Palmer and Shenault IMO. Unfortunately, I don't see an easy answer. From here out, I think the big choices are among using one of the Bills top 3 picks at another attempt at WR, vs A Cooper, vs mid-season trade. With the draft pick you shouldn't expect more than K Coleman level production for '25. With A Cooper you have to deal with winning the bidding war and have to excuse the lack of production in '24 to some excuse. And with a '25 midseason trade you don't know who will be available and it misses a third to half the season.

I think it's acceptable and between stayed the same and slightly improved. Love the extensions (getting ahead of the curve) and the Bosa move (great value IMO) and am intrigued that they have a sleeper starting safety. Worried about the CB and disappointed with our WR moves (hope it's not done). However my expectations were for a splash signing. I thought the FO took their medicine a year early on Diggs to have the flexibility to get a star this year. So I had visions of a Garrett or Crosby or Hendrickson or DK Metcalf. I was disappointed that DK Metcalf went for what he did to Pitt.

So, who do you want? It's March. The FA choices are A Cooper/S Diggs/D Johnson/K Allen/E Moore/T Lockett/B Cooks/N Algolor/M Gallop/R Woods

I would be open to a trade deadline move, especially if the WR room we have now is what we have for the '25 season (still have hope that maybe we can add A Coop). Even in the small sample size you are referencing there is Raoul and A Cooper, which served to make the team better in their respective seasons. If a trade can make the team better for a post-season run I hope Beane pulls the trigger. The Bills are close. If mid-season a B Aiyuk/G Pickens/T Hill/ or AJ Brown would elevate the team for the stretch run - and possibly beyond- Beane should do it.

Puka was selected in the 5th round - anyone could have had him. The comparison isn't Trubisky but T Brady. As for Dalton Kincaid he is an extremely fluid player with great hands. He played through injuries last year, it in no way means he's toast. He does need to add strength - he and Coleman have been told as much - and the strength and conditioning coach has been replaced. The idea of trading Kincaid is insane. The Bills finally have a very good TE room, probably their best ever, and people want to tear it down.

I don't recall it that way - mid-season there were at least D Adams, D Johnson, DHop, and A Cooper. Now with the FA market down to bare bones - A Cooper, S Diggs, D Johnson, and K Allen, I think for FA it is Amari or nothing. Maybe they try the mid-season trade route again. Because as much as people seem to dislike the trade, the FO did bring in what was normally a $20M WR for over half the season and the playoffs. I'm not sure who would be available, only have heard of B Aiyuk so far.

I can't see Diggs here while J Brady is on the staff. Diggs flat out disrespected J Brady - to a him or me extent. The Bills chose J Brady and the fireworks escalated and that's when the social media campaign kicked in. Remember when Diggs wouldn't put in an effort off the line. Remember when Diggs would take himself out on 3rd downs for no apparent reason. I remember. As a matter of fact I thought those behaviors were so out of character that I was pretty sure Diggs was playing through an injury. I was extremely surprised when Diggs went and did stuff at the pro-bowl and there were no reports of an injury. I then started looking at everything Diggs related from a different point of view. No way will J Brady have S Diggs on his team (and the same probably goes for McDermott). Diggs, in part, forced his way out by substandard play on the field (and as a conspiracy theorist it may have contributed to Josh not checking it down to him at the most important time late in that game - remember Diggs had dropped one bomb earlier). Anyway, Unacceptable. Inexcusable. Diggs certainly will not be back this year.

Shaw, I'm with you on Benford being good and extremely good piece as used by the Bills. But the FO has to consider health issues when making this deal. It's a huge risk to the organization. And it's a huge risk to Benford to turn down a large chunk of guaranteed money with his concussion history. The health issue may be hard to quantify but the FO and Benford need to do it.