Chaos

Why don't people have reading comprehension skills? When some one says "I am not sure why they are sliding" it would be a bit demented to respond with postives.

Because they are projected to be gone before 27. If they are available they are already identified as BPA's to select in front of the choices we are discussing now. Its all explained here: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/246627-big-board-top-40-spots-first-cut/#comment-8335661 WR's and OT's are more expensive than LBs. 5 year cap protection is better utilized on those two positions. I would be OK with Campbell or Sanders at 27, but this is a situaton where one failure compounds itself by having to use a first round pick on an LB (not quite as bad as RB). And in this instance no one seems to think any LB choice is a sure fire starter. The goal for the LB selected in one seems to be "hopefully NFL average". As I said, good with LB, but I am not sure it is a "has to be"

He is projected to be available at 59 almost certainly, and maybe even at 91. I suspect this part of his reputation from NFL.com combine writeup is the main issue. Weaknesses Can be nonchalant through drive phase of intermediate routes. Lacks commitment to detail as a route runner. PFF Version: CONS He lacks the long speed to be a consistent threat downfield. Lets opposing corners get their hands all over him at the line of scrimmage. No stranger to half-hearted routes when the defensive look says the ball isn't coming his way.

This is the Dilemma

Prefer McDermott to have a bit more self-introspection and not try to deflect the teams failings with this type of trivial thing. If McDermott truly believes it MUST change, he should look to trade Allen to a coach who will appreciate his talents. There is ZERO reason for McDermott to be airing this laundry in public. Allen is a team player, and won't likely air his complaints publically. But Allen has a boatload more to complain about in lack of protection resources, and his HC f'ing up playoff games than McDermotts efforts to start "wontslidegate"

Well, Flowers is currently winning the Flowers/Hyatt poll. So you may want to consider that. After a couple of days, I will modify the second question to reflect the winner, if there is a clear choice. I prefer Hyatt over flowers, but people have convinced me that Wright is a more important piece of the puzzle than WR or LB.

Update: Further Fine Tuning: Down to two choices (will not necessarily be final) but looking to get a Majority Leader. New Choice is Darnell Wright or Jack Cambell. ( There are 16 players ranked clearly higher, that should be selection as BPA available. Jack Campbell is the fan's favorite to fill the biggest perceived hole on Defense, LB and Darnell Wright seems to be the favorite to "better protect Josh Allen. results of previou Campbell/Wright/Flowers Poll. https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/246617-your-choice-as-of-today-for-pick-27-limited-to-players-who-are-likely-available-to-select/ Current polling shows Jack Campbell, with a large lead, but nowhere near majority support (24% currently). Darnell Wright is in second place. Two wide receivers Jaylin Hyatt and Zay Flowers combine are about equal, and if combined would slide into second place. This post is asking two questions. 1) If the only two choices were Zay Flowers and Jaylyn Hyatt who would you select? 2) if the choices came down to Jack Campbell, Darnell Wright and the winner of the Flowers/Hyatt poll which of those three would you select. It is not possible we will get a majority selection from the large list of choices. Using this poll to narrow the consensus.

Have you seen any film showing a problem with lateral movement. I feel like this is a myth. This is also why the probably signed Rapp today. MIght as well have safeties playing, if their job is coverage.

Bold added by me. I think you have nailed what has been confusing people. People confuse under control with slow. This is an instance where measurables matter.

What are the holes in Campbell's game?

Board Updated to Reflect Joey Porter being considered a BPA the Bills should take ahead of the expected LB/OT/WR options prioritized for pick 27.

That is the type of feedback I am looking for. I will change his status to BPA

This one trade draft gets us the fans choice at LB, a solid tackle, a top 6 NFL. com graded WR, a stud RB, and two solid safeties.

The four key players on the defense have injury issues of varying degrees. If Miller, Hyde an Poyer are all healthy at the end of the regular season, and White is healthy and playing at his pre-injury level, the defense should be fine. Expect all four of those positions to be filled with stars. Milano is a star. The other six players are JAGs of varying degrees. If the five star positions are still filled with the stars playing at expected levels at the end of the regular season, we should be a force in the playoffs. If one of those positions flips from "star" to "hole", we will probably be struggling.

Ultimately, I like football players who are good at football. This strikes me in some ways as more important that measurables. Having said that, there is a subject, I have not seen discussed otherwise on TBD, the importantance (or lack there of) of matching the NFL prototype. Bill Parcells and the Patriots post Parcells were practically slaves to chosing players who fit the prototype for weight, height and speed. They were were more interested in hitting the prototype, than exceeding it. The didn't want guards who were 6 8, or Tight Ends who were 6'1, regardless of skill levels. I think this is worth an entire thread, but not going to start that now. As it relates to the Tight Ends, Musgrave hits on all three prototypes, Height, Weight and Speed. Kindcaid and Mayer both are below the prototype on speed, and below the prototype on weight. Curious if this changes anyones mind about Musgrave vs Kincaid and Mayer.

QBs don't matter much. More or less followed the consenus of the websites, which are wrong. Richardson may very well be #1 overall I am not sure I understand your directionality are you saying Johnston should be picked before nine, or after nine and if so where. In one recent mock by the Athletic, he fell out of the first round altogether.

Updated 4/1/2023 - V1.2 - Darnell Wright OT to 23 ahead of Jack Campbell LB, based on TBD voting. Lukas Van Ness Iowa,Dalton Kincaid Utah,Michael Mayer Notre Dame removed from the BPA list to automatically be selected ahead of Wright. Bijan Robinson moved ahead of Zay Flowers. Some small reshuffling among 38-40 based on TBD polls and commentary. Spreadheet link reflects the current top 40 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13bMkyB0koDAu043sfhoNbQHde-pABWvrZJK0qvQ0oKk/edit?usp=sharing Lots of polling, lots of feedback given to help set up an entire draft board. This is course will be a fluid process. Here is a google sheet showing the information below: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13bMkyB0koDAu043sfhoNbQHde-pABWvrZJK0qvQ0oKk/edit?usp=sharing Some explanation. My estimate of the top 20 players are broken up into groups of top 10, 15, 20. Order does not matter too much to me. Among those top 20, there are 7 Players I would exclude from the Bills taking, 4 QBs and 3 defensive players. Branch, Porter and Breese. The other 13, I have identified as BPA and the Bills should pick them if they are available at 27. Picks 21 and 22 are two TEs I expect to go before the Bills pick, Dalton Kincaid and Mike Mayer. I think the Bills should prioritize those at 27, if they are available. After Pick 22, I begin with TBD favorite Jack Campbell, and then follow that with the next favorites from Fan voting. (interpretating fan results is as much art as science. Please provide feedback of any reordering, deletions or additions you think should be made to the top 40. Further note, the consensus in column three is based on the mean rankings of 10 internet draft sites. https://thedraftnetwork.com/ https://theathletic.com/4304645/2023/03/14/nfl-draft-2023-top-100-combine/ https://www.draftcountdown.com/ https://bleacherreport.com/nfl-draft https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/news https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2023 https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/ https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2023-nfl-draft-big-board/ https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-prospects-2023-player-rankings-big-board/izwvqtdgymtvdw7qzx0q3hxp https://walterfootball.com/draft2023.php Thanks for your help. Here is the trade made during the Athletics most recent mock draft

Another Update. Joey Porter CB, Brian Branch CB/S Reminder you can change your choice at any time

If we draft Robinson, we cut hines and get back 4 mill of cap space ( I guess much of that shifts to robinson). But I am pretty certain drafting robinson, means cutting hines, and having the entire RB room under rookie contracts, which is the right place to be.

how do you spell it?

Not typically. I usually watch the draft. Don't usually look at anything ahead of time. This year I am bit obsessed

Starting out with 8 out 8 voters being fine with Robinson in the first round. I am shocked. Curious as to where this goes.

Another Update. Added Bijan Robinson. Reminder you can change your choice at any time

Done

RB is a different position. It is so devalued, that relying on grades and rankings do not seem to correpond to any realistic drafting position. I am including 5 RBs, whom might be interesting to posters to include as picks in the first three rounds. Interesting if people will find Bijan Robinson Interesting in the first round.