FireChans
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Just now, bearstobills said:
So this is where we disagree. I think the Beane/Allen combo is so strong that it will result in at least 2 super bowls. I think they're both elite.
The first 6 years are already over.
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7 minutes ago, bearstobills said:
I'm not sure Baltimore fans would agree that he is far superior. Or NFL fans. Lamar did win the MVP. Josh has not. But I agree that Josh is superior. Or at least, I'd rather have him. Btw, they have the same exact amount of playoff wins. I'm simply arguing that BB is a top 5 GM....top 3 if you're going off wins. Top 4 if you're going off playoff wins. He must be doing something right. And one of those things was targeting, maneuvering, and developing said quarterback. I grew up in Chicago. The Bears have not done that once. BB did it on his first try, first draft....and I'm guessing you were screaming for Rosen on draft day obsessed with 56 percent completion percentage.
Brandon Beane got the most important position right. He knocked it out of the park.
It’s the rest of his body of work I take issue with.
There was once a young GM in Indianapolis. He nailed his QB pick and had 3 straight seasons of 11 wins and playoff runs. They had some bad injury luck, failed to build around their QB (leading to his retirement) and that GM was fired. During his tenure, they were fifth in total wins in the NFL.
Was he a truly top 5 GM in those days? Do we look back at Ryan Grigson and say man, that guy was great?
No, of course not.Are we going to look back at the first 7 years of Josh’s career 10 years from now and talk about how great of a job everyone around him did?
I don’t think so.
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7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:
What ever would Nacua have done without Kupp around?
Huh?
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Pls add Mack Hollins as option
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2 minutes ago, bearstobills said:
Beane arrived after the draft and free agency in 2017. That was not his team. But I'll give you the extra year. Over last 6 years, the Bills have the 3rd most wins in the NFL (2 behind the Ravens). So Josh's developmental season pushes us down one spot. What exactly are you arguing....
1. That he sucks
2. That he should be replaced
3. That only MOST wins in the last 5-6 years is acceptable
Im arguing having less wins than the Ravens with the far superior QB is not the feather in his cap you think it is.
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Just now, SoTier said:
This is the most hateful post I have ever read on TSW. It far surpasses all the other venomous and stupid bull manure that you've posted here in the last few days. Your hatred of Beane and McDermott suggests a level of anger bordering on mental instability.
I actually think McD is a top 10 coach for what it’s worth.
I just think Beane (and McD) are far too secure in their jobs.
They won’t get fired ever because Josh Allen will drag this team to WC weekend regardless of what ST bums they out around him.
And folks will watch Allen rush for 20 TD’s and end his career prematurely and say Beane is doing great because we have the 4th best record.
Kind of a crappy situation imo.
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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:
As they did Diggs, Beasley John brown, gabe Davis in rd 4 and Shakir in rd 5
Yes, I wish the Brandon Beane that acquired Diggs, Beasley, Brown and Davis came out to play in last 4 years.
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Just now, bearstobills said:
While you're busy lmao-ing......here are the facts;
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years
Beane arrived in 2017. Pretty sure that’s more than 5 years ago. I can count AND lmao.
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7 minutes ago, zevo said:
Stop with the facts already. Beane and McD suck ass and need to start focusing on fast wr
It’s not a fact. It’s actually incorrect lmao.
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6 minutes ago, SoTier said:
I don't think that Beane had any interest in Worthy because however fast he is, he's slightly built -- at 6'1" and 172 lbs he's a smurf who's unlikely to have a long NFL career -- and I think Beane always wanted a big outside WR.
The optics are "bad" only because people don't look at the whole picture rationally. The Bills traded with KC because they didn't have a particular player they really wanted at #28 plus Chiefs gave them their third round pick in order to swap #28 for #32. Not only did the Bills gain a top 100 pick, but the Chiefs lost that pick. That's a win any way you look at it.
It’s certainly possible. We’ll never know.
The only part I don’t agree with is that we “know” that he had Coleman ranked ahead of Worthy.
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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Or it just shows how our FO valued the WRs available vs the players that we drafted.
i guess that’s one way to look at it.
Then again, our FO valued Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield last off-season so maybe an appeal to Bill authority isn’t the most convincing argument when it comes to WR e v a l.
2 minutes ago, bearstobills said:I couldn't agree more. The Bills have the 2nd best record in the NFL since he's arrived. I repeat....the 2nd best record in the NFL.
No, they don’t.
Anyway, Josh Allen is very good at football. It makes me sad watching him throw passes that go through Trent Sherfield’s hands in playoff losses. If you consider those very good accomplishments instead, more power to you. -
3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
Good point. Looks a lot like Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, and Demarcus Robinson, before they became a deadly combination. Or St. Brown, Reynolds, LaPorta, and Raymond. Kelce, Rice, Valdez-Scantling, Watson. The style of offense these teams are playing, and getting good production in the passing game, is not dependent of big name receivers. It's a style that repeatedly leverages the defense in ways that allow good athletes to get open. Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, and Kincaid are good athletes and they will get open.
When Puka Nacua joined the Rams, Cooper Kupp already had a 1900 yard season in the NFL and a SB MVP.
When Sam LaPorta joined the Lions, St. Brown had over 2k yards and 11 TD’s through two seasons.
When Rice joined the Chiefs, Travis Kelce was already a surefire HoFer, a two time champion, and probably the best TE of all time.
When Keon Coleman joined the Bills, Shakir had 611 yards and 2 TD’s. Curtis Samuel also was coming off 600+ yards. Kincaid was coming off 600+ yards.
are we getting punk’d?
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1 minute ago, bearstobills said:
No, he'd rather draft a potential starting center (after losing his starting center), a versatile and athletic linebacker, a pass rusher with serious 3rd down impact potential, and acquire a 4th round pick in next years draft over drafting a depleted talent pool of wide receivers in the 5th round. That's what he'd rather do. I prefer his approach to yours.
His approach has certainly worked…..
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Just now, YodaMan79 said:
You forgot to include SB winner and borderline HOFer Anquan Bolden. What a reach for the Cardinals in the second round.
He didn’t win a ring for the Cardinals lmao.
Incredible self-own
Just now, HardyBoy said:There's a difference between people having their own opinion and the swirling negative group think of Deppie from Depew and Frank on a cell
Apparently not. None of us work for the Bills. We don’t know anymore than they do. So why listen to anyone at all ever?
Why listen to Daniel Jeremiah? He doesn’t have the resources Brandon Beane has, right? Waste of time.
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1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:
Every blue moon, an intrepid crime podcaster breaks a criminal case. But imagine your daughter was kidnapped and you had a binary choice: (A) You can have the FBI, with all its trained investigators, forensic scientists, labs, subpoena power, police connections, and other resources handle the investigation. (B) You can have Debi from Depew, who views herself as an investigative reporter because she podcasts from her mom’s basement, search for your daughter. I don’t know about you, but I’d choose A.
It's part of fandom to stand by our unfounded opinions, call the GM a moron, and generally spout nonsense. But, if we want to be honest about it, we’re all - to varying degrees - Debi from Depew.
Fans are notoriously lousy at assessing draft picks. Many of us criticized Beane when he picked Josh in the draft while few of us offered up flowers when he chose Milano. And, look, talent evaluation is hard. Go back and look at what sportswriters said five years ago about the draft. Their hit rate isn’t high. Even the analytic guys, armed with their algorithms and statistical analyses, aren’t good. They told us that if Josh became a successful NFL QB, it would shake the very foundations of all math, science, and human knowledge.
I doubt if there’s anyone on this board who knows as much about scouting college players as Tyler Pratt who starts researching and evaluating players at 5:30 am each day and keeps at it until 8pm. Tyler is an area scout for the Bills Personnel Department which includes 18 dedicated fulltime professionals, not including the admin folks, and is aided by 7 equally dedicated professionals in the Analytics & Football Research Department. While none of us matches Pratt hours and expertise, we don’t hesitate to act like we’re smarter than Beane and his entire, fantastically resourced organization.
So when someone starts spouting that Beane is an idiot because he drafted a slow wideout, a lineman with short arms, and a guy who never played football before, I just yawn. Debi from Depew doesn’t interest me. Beane and his team have spent millions of dollars, studied thousands of hours of tape, conducted hundreds of interviews. I just hope the Bills FBI (Foot Ball Investigative) unit is better than the FBI units at our rivals. Time will tell. But I trust Beane and his team of experts far more than Debi from Depew.
If fans discussing the team and their opinions on the players, coaches and GM’s holds no interest in you, why come to TBD at all?
It can’t be to debate PSL’s. After all, the Pegula business people know best.
Is it to look at photo renderings of the new stadium?
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
I don't think his vision has been coherent.
This is where the “establish an offensive HC” argument has merit imo.
by the same token, BB established his defensive philosophy for 20+ years and almost always had them humming in points allowed and turnovers. And defenses are harder to keep them together.
I do think McD’s inability or lack of desire to have much input on the offensive side works against us a bit.
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
It absolutely would
Hard disagree. Unless like @GunnerBill said, we get someone that internally demoted him. Like a BB or Shanny or Payton.
Beane learned at the test of the 2010s Carolina Panthers. That’s who he is.
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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I was a firm no when you asked before. I'm still a no. But a softer one. I just am not a big Diontae Johnson guy and never have been. Sloppy route runner with bad hands and a questionable attitude.
The late round picks clearly had zero value based on the trades being made.
I think it would’ve been a steal
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Just now, Boatdrinks said:
I’m sure they had Odunze higher. The cost to move into a spot to get him would have been very high. Higher than they could do most likely. They did choose between Worthy and everyone else - they made the trade. They obviously didn’t care if he was gone . The chiefs needed WRs and love their fast guys. Fans know this. The Bills and Beane know it too. The bottom line is they didn’t care who was selected there.
You can’t be sure.you weren’t there
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4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
Yep, they could have. So could Carolina. The Bills didn’t care who they selected , and probably didn’t think the chances were high that it was Coleman. If they cared , they don’t make the trade. Were you in on the phone conversation?
Were you? My contention is that we have no idea how close or far away Worthy was ranked in regards to Coleman. Because they didn’t choose between Worthy or Coleman, like they did Coleman and McConkey.
Otherwise, I could argue they ranked Coleman higher that Odunze. They picked Coleman and didn’t make a move for Odunze after all
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1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:
So you think they would trade with a team and cross their fingers that the player they coveted so much wouldn’t be selected ? Lol absolutely ridiculous. If they just had to have Worthy, they don’t make a trade there. It can’t be more obvious.
I mean KC could've selected Coleman, right?
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On 4/5/2024 at 6:24 PM, FireChans said:
DJ is $10M on the books for the Panthers.
He was traded to Carolina (CAR) from Pittsburgh (PIT) with 2024 7th round pick (#240) for Donte Jackson and 2024 6th round pick (#178). Now, Donte may have had some value for the Stillers but he was likely going to be cut in Carolina, and he signed a restructured $6M deal with them after the trade, so he didn't have a TON of value.
So maybe without Jackson to dangle, could we have gotten him for a 4th or a 5th and 6th?
In hindsight, is that a move you wished we pulled the trigger on, knowing what we know about Diggs now?
Bump
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Just now, Boatdrinks said:
They obviously didn’t have “ a guy” at 28 , so they traded back. If they really wanted Worthy at that spot, they don’t make the trade. This is pretty obvious, as is the fact they didn’t care what player KC wanted to take. Implying otherwise ( as these hot takes are ) is pure folly. I don’t “ know” that the Bills didn’t want a 160 lb WR , but it doesn’t appear they were very interested.
Because they didn’t want Worthy at 28 doesn’t mean they wouldn’t take him at 33.
Because they clearly didn’t want Coleman at 28. And they did take him at 33.
This is obvious logic.
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6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
So they got snookered out of Worthy ? Lol okay , they had no idea Andy Reid might want a WR . Fans of course knew this , however. Pure nonsense ! The Bills didn’t want Worthy, and didn’t care who the Chiefs were going to take. They didn’t have “ a guy” at that spot - hence the trade. These narratives are just plain dumb. As BB said, you do what’s best for your team and don’t worry about what another franchise is doing.
How do you know they didn’t have early second round grades on Coleman AND Worthy and didn’t want to take either at 28?
you don’t.
Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State
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The point I was responding to was inferring the 2023 Rams receiving core was as unheralded as the 2024 Bills. Which is not true. Not sure what point you’re making.