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4 hours ago, Limeaid said:
Russel Wilson needs to get an agent who does more work in NFL. He is primarily a baseball agent.
Why?? Guy is getting a guaranteed $39 million next year no matter what!
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57 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
the passes are not thrown straight to the DB. We’re trying to get a penalty on a deep pass. we’re trying to give the receiver a chance to play on the ball. They just happen to to get picked.
So do other QBs have as many “arm punts” as Josh does? I honestly don’t even remember the term arm punt before a couple of years ago. It’s semantics and sure sometimes it’s just as good as a punt, but they do play into the national narrative about Josh and turnovers. Yeah a couple of times he gave his WR a shot, but there’s been a couple where he gave no one a chance besides the defensive player
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So apparently the media and public have a limit on acceptable undeserving people for awards - 1. Unfortunately that honor currently belongs to the MVP favorite
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17 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
I pretty much disagree completely. Also almost all of the “arm punts” this year have given his receiver a chance and they have come up with none of them. One the DB yanked the ball right out of Diggs’ hands.I see WR on other teams make athletic catches down the field every week and ours can’t even do it once.
Ok I can see that, so just to play devils advocate again-if Josh has a couple of these types of interceptions, then I’m guessing so do most of the other top QBs, it’s probably somewhat of a wash in the end. If they don’t, then it stands to reason Josh could lower his as well
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9 minutes ago, BananaB said:
A lot of what keeping Allen out of the conversations is his INTs because the media has blown them way out of proportion. I’m not sure situations of every QBs INTs but I do know Josh’s. Josh had 2 on Hail Mays which is not a big deal, he also had 2 on 3rd and forever that worked out better than punting the ball. All Ints, but really never hurt the team. I’d take all these over 1 pick 6 over to course of a year. Jmo. Josh did have some bonehead ones that ended up costing the team points though.
So the part I have an issue with is the idea that an “arm punt” is no big deal or should be looked at differently. I would rather have a leg punt than an arm punt. An interception of any kind can flip momentum. As Miami showed against the Jets, an interception on a Hail Mary can also prove to be costly. Josh does have a lot of interceptions, no matter the reason, but he has also put up an incredible amount of offense and touchdowns. Hopefully that part carries over to the final 2 games, the Bills win both and the voters make their decision then (as opposed to with 2 weeks to go which it sounds like some already have)
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So something that should be brought up against Lamar but won’t is his accountability in the lack of weapons. It’s not like Baltimore hasn’t tried. They have used 3 first round picks on WR, multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders on playmakers, have signed several free agents and none of them pan out. Does the “MVP” get a free pass on that? Shouldn’t voters take that into consideration when they make their vote?
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4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
So if the Bills were the most consistent team from start to finish; had to go the whole season without Cook; Diggs missed 3 games; and we had the lead for basically 95% of games, you would think Lamar was the mvp with a worse record but better stats?
The reality is the MVP is just a stats award. It goes to the QB with the best stats. There is quite the gap between Josh and Lamar statistically and if the Bills can finish with the 2 seed, I think it will be really hard to give Lamar the award
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5 minutes ago, paulmm3 said:
Love Josh but he single handedly lost us too many winnable games earlier in the season to be worthy of MVP. Not his best year.
Outside of the Jets game, what game did Josh lose for the team???
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8 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
you on drugs?
I never said I would rather have an mvp than a sb.
I said.
mvp or lombardi?
lombardi all day.
mvp means nothing really.
as for debating, fine, debate all day. it still stands that a lombardi is way more important than mvp.
Go back and read our messages then come back and answer, otherwise there’s nothing more to discuss
There’s not a single person who would say they want the MVP over the Super Bowl, we agree on that. You make it seem like it’s ludicrous that people even want to debate the MVP though
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10 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
you tell me. I did, you have a problem with it?
let me reiterate. let's get off the mvp train and look for much greater things, YA DIGG
Actually yes I do have a big problem with you saying you would rather have an MVP than a Super Bowl. Who would rather have that?
Wanting to see Josh win the MVP (or at least debating it) also doesn’t mean no one wants to win the Super Bowl-who thinks that linearly? -
44 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:
Would you like to revise this statement in lieu of his performance in last night's game vs the 49ers? 🤔😂
Edit to add: It was the marquis game of the week in the league, so the lights couldn't have been brighter, and the stage was as big as it gets. 😉 And for all intents and purposes, it was a playoff game, as they are playing for that #1 seed and a bye.
If that’s Lamar performing “well” under pressure, I LOVE the Bills chances against him. 65% completion, barely 250 yards, and 2 touchdowns? Sounds like a pretty average day for a QB
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4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
mvp or lombardi?
lombardi all day.
mvp means nothing really.
Has anyone said they would rather have Josh win the MVP as opposed to the Super Bowl?
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4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
I'd say odds are tomorrow it's a 3 horse race McCaffrey, Allen and Hill.
If the Ravens win tonight then Jackson will be Included in that…I don’t necessarily agree with it, but he will be
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1 minute ago, Eastport bills said:
Please don’t even dignify comparisons between Lawrence and Josh. Lawrence beat the Chargers in the greatest choke job in NFL history and then proceeded to spearhead an improbable implosion going from 8 and 3 to 8 and 7., culminating in consecutive injuries and done for the season. He regressed this year and literally became a turnover machine in the losses. He’s not Josh and never will be.
The comparison isn’t intended to be Josh vs Trevor as a QB-there’s no debate about that. My point is that it seems Lawrence relatively speaking has gotten a much bigger pass on his turnovers than Josh has. We all know why, but perhaps after this season there will be more scrutiny on the QB who had by far the best team in the AFC south and they could now potentially lose the division and not even make the playoffs!
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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:
Because Lawrence is a bum. No one would put him next to Josh in a serious comparison.
Oh I agree with that, it just seems to me that Lawrence is in the Justin Herbert category-somehow he is able to escape a lot of blame that perhaps other QBs aren’t afforded
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28 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
It is an interesting topic to discuss. To start, any semblance of newness always takes a handful of games, which can vary in number, for a steady-state to emerge.
At the end of the day however, the needle hasn't moved that much on game metrics. Brady's been the OC for the past five games, started with the Jets game. Since then we've averaged 27.8 PPG contrasted with the 26.2 PPG prior to that, for a marginal +1.6, an improvement but hardly earth-shattering, and still down from last season's 28.4 and with an easier schedule as well.
Our 1st-Downs have also increased marginally from 22 to 23.2, a +1.2.
Our total yards haven't increased at all for all intents and purposes, having bumped from 380 to 382.
The biggest difference as you point out is our running game, with Cook obviously being our primary ball carrier. His carries have increased from 12 to 17.6 per game on average. His receptions have increased by 1 from an average 2.8 to 3.8. So in that sense there's somewhat more balance to the offense run/pass.
The Dallas game is what has skewed everything statistically for both him and the team. In the other four games Cook has averaged a pedestrian 3.9 yards-per-carry. In all four of those games he's got 244 rushing yards, in the Dallas game he had 179 on 7.2 YPC. His YPC in the other four games were 4.3, 2.7, 5.8, and 3.5, with that 5.8 being his low carry (10) game in which he had 11, 12, and 15-yard runs.
His receptions have increased from an average 2.4 to 3.1, but his receiving yards have increased to 42.2 from 22.2, nearly doubling. Having said that, in our zero-sum-game of the same yards per game, Diggs' production has averaged a mere 4.6 receptions for an average of 40.4 yards, down from 7.3 catches for 86.8 YPG, fewer than half the yards. On a season, under Brady so far, Diggs' 17-game average is 78 catches for 687 yards and 3 TDs.
Having said that, our average number of pass attempts has dropped by 12 from 45.5 to 33.6, while our average number of carries has increased by 15 from 22.4 to 37.4. A good chunk of that is the skewed Dallas game where we ran 49 times and had only 16 pass plays. Nonetheless.
We'll be fully steady-state by the end of the season if we aren't already.
The referendum on this season is going to come down to the playoffs, against what is generally considered to be the weakest field in the AFC at least since Allen emerged in 2020. There's no dominant team and with Allen we arguably have the best offense in the AFC and more than a good enough defense to compliment it.
You think Brady has faced an easier set of games than what the Bills faced last year? Jets, Chiefs, and Cowboys all have good-great defenses, Eagles have a great run defense (they give up a lot of passing yards though) and yeah they should’ve done better against the chargers. That’s not an easy stretch to start as the OC.
Im also not sure about saying this AFC is the weakest it’s been in years. I was listening to a podcast the other day talking about this and they were talking about this. The perception is since it’s not Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow at the top it seems weaker but there are still very strong teams. I do agree with you though that I do like the Bills chances against any team in the AFC (or NFC for that matter).
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Since Josh has this perception of being turnover prone and that seems to be the biggest thing people talk about with him, why is there not the same narrative about Trevor Lawrence? He has 8 games in his career (including today) where he has had 3+ turnovers. By comparison, Josh only has 5. Not only that, he has only 1 less turnover than Josh has since the start of 2022.
So how is it that turnovers are never really something mentioned with Lawrence? My guess is it has something to do with his draft status and him being a “can’t miss” prospect
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Man was Miami “lucky” in their game today-won by 2, last second field goal, needed 5 field goals just to be in the game (including a 50+ yarder), team didn’t play well….means they won this game purely on luck right?
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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Of course I can. What an absurd statement to make. Josh’s play is on Josh as is Mahomes’ on him annd so on. To suggest otherwise is similar to being the kid who gets caught stealing a cookie out of the cookie jar and saying: Well Johnnie did it too.
I think Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the league, one if the top 3 in the league. But a legitimate criticism is he throws too many picks. Why is that so difficult to accept?
It’s not absurd at all! You keep saying they got lucky-so answer for me, so other teams get “lucky” or is it just the Bills? Or does it not matter because what one team does has no effect on another team-or whatever nonsensical argument you’re trying to make?
What many have said and what I will say AGAIN (please finally read and understand this) claiming the Bills only won that game because of luck is disingenuous. They could have played better, sure, but the bottom line is they won the game. It wasn’t a lucky win, it was an ugly win-big difference that you’re not getting
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22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
What does another QBs performance have to do with Allen’s?
Because you can’t sit here and criticize Josh’s play without comparing it to his contemporaries. As I have mentioned already to you but you still ignore is that every team lacks consistency. How is Josh playing compared to other QBs? How “lucky” have other teams been this year? Without those comparisons your argument lacks context
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5 minutes ago, ngbills said:
Kincaid could use some muscle if he is going to be used more like Laporta. Kincaid is much more of big WR than a TE at this point. Depends what the plan is for him. Right now he reminds me of David Nelson. I have hopes they can unleash him at some point but they may require a change in coaching.
So then the question is why do they have him run the routes he does if he is a big receiver? Nothing down the seam, no comebacks, everything is an out route or he’s used as a safety valve
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There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games. They ended up going 3-1 and are a Jake Elliott absolute bomb from 59 yards from going 4-0. Say what you will about them being LuCkY but have some appreciation for how the team played over the last 4. Bottom line, they handled their business-now keep it going through these final 2 games and into the playoffs
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19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I’m sorry, do you actually think the team played well yesterday? Happy we won of course but they can’t play like that and expect to go anywhere.
Ahhhhh there it is!! The old “can’t expect to play like that and beat________” Boeing cliche that’s used in here all the time after a close win. Here’s the thing about close wins-it’s an absolute impossibility to play a flawless game and also have the game be close. All i keep reading all season is “the Bills got lucky that this didn’t happen” no they are winning some close games and losing some close ones. A big complaint on here is the Bills can’t win close games. Guess what, they won a close game yesterday. In case you have forgotten, the other team is also paid to play football too.
i feel like you’re ignoring the responses being made to your posts-not one person has said they played a good game yesterday. They played an ugly game BUT THEY STILL WON. That is infinitely more important than whatever point you’re trying to make
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10 minutes ago, 4th&long said:
If Toney’s foot isn’t over the line we are not in the playoffs right now.
Ok cool, I’ll play along-if Josh doesn’t inexplicably throw 3 int against the jets, if the defense stops Mac Jones on the last drive, if the Bills don’t have 12 men on the field against Denver, if the Bills aren’t part of an experiment against Jacksonville that Goodell admitted was a bad idea, if Elliot doesn’t make a 60 yarder in that rain and wind, those are all Bills wins.
so take the Toney one if that makes you feel better
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Who in the AFC would teams rather not see in the playoffs?
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So this thread is a perfect example of over analyzing everything the Bills do/don’t do and just looking at scores and records of other teams. Flacco, nice story but look who they have played. He has more than half of the turnovers Josh had and has only played 5 games. Good defense, no doubt, but they did give up 17 in the first half to the Jets the other night (yes they only gave up 3 after the half)
Dolphins finally beat a team with a winning record. I don’t think that defense is anywhere near as good as they have shown lately (again, look who they have played, specifically the QBs they have played)
I get it, we are all Bills fans so naturally we are more invested in them. If you look objectively at the other teams, there’s not a team that should scare you-outside of the Bills having a letdown