[Buffalo Bills worst draft choices.]

49 minutes ago, White Linen said:

Choosing the wrong Josh. 

Your kidding right? Rosen is about to be on his third team 3 years into the NFL LOL, we picked the right Josh. But you are entitled to your opinion 

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4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Spiller had a productive career?  He had fewer rushing yards than Isaiah Crowell, and Bilal Powell...

I know, he had 1 good year and he couldn’t stay healthy after that. And was slow as a snail

11 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

McCargo had an injury (knee?) that he never recovered from.  Why in the world would any team trade up to take a player coming off a serious injury?   However, taking players with injury histories seems to have been a common thread during the years when Russ Brandon ran the show: Troupe and Koujandijo also had injury histories which likely compromised their NFL careers even before they were drafted.

We did it with McGahee, you can thank Donahoe for that lol

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39 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Both Willis McGahee and Donte Whitner were both good players, both for the Bills and for other teams during their NFL careers, including Pro Bowl selections, so they hardly qualify for a list of "the worst players we ever drafted".  CJ Spiller also had a decent NFL career, so he doesn't belong on your list, either.  Moreover, Trent Edwards was a third round pick who wasn't even the worst third round QB the Bills ever drafted -- see Gary Marangi (1974) -- and even among the third rounders drafted since 1999/2000, there were some outright busts who never even saw the field.   

 

You need to have some valid criteria beside your personal dislike of a particular player.

I’m sorry but I have to disagree with you regarding McGahee, he sucked when he was here and I couldn’t stand him. I thought It was the dumbest move to draft him in the first place especially after that gruesome knee injury he had. He was not worth a first round pick, we should’ve given Bledsoe more O line protection. We were fine with Travis Henry who I feel got screwed over by the Bills. 

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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not as a player himself, no. But to me that was a decision that never made sense. Like Losman or even Maybin.... bad players but we took a shot on a Quarterback and we did need an edge rusher now they were poor talent evaluations but at least they had identified the right problems with the roster. 

 

The thing about the McKelvin pick was not just that they overdrafted McKelvin.... it was that the thought process was flawed from the get go from a roster building perspective. 

 

We do this a lot but Whaley was not running that draft. McDermott was. McDermott gets the credit for Tre White, Dion Dawkins and Matt Milano. But he also gets the blame for Zay Jones. 

Funny enough i had never even heard of JP Losman until he got drafted, was completely clueless as I didn’t know his college background or anything. My first reaction was Who the ***** is this guy?

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25 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said:

Add Zay Jones to that list

Forgot about him. Wasn’t he one of Whaley’s last picks?

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4 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Is there a point to just creating a list of bad draft choices?  Do you have some intention for this thread?

No, honestly I’m just working graveyard tonight and I’m trying to entertain myself lol. Minus that everyone has a different opinion and list and I’m curious 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

TJ Graham over Russell Wilson. End thread.

 

 

The one that really annoyed me was Leodis McKelvin in 2008. Leodis wasn't the worst player in the world and it was before I really watched college football so I can't pretend to have been an expert but I just remember Jason Peters was already starting to play up over a contract and the Langston Walker experiment had been a disaster and I remember it being talked of as a decent tackle draft. I really wanted Branden Albert but there was Ryan Clady, Duane Brown and Chris Williams (who was a bust and did eventually end up here playing 4 games at guard then getting injured) as well. We still had decent corners on the roster I think as well.  I don't hate drafting defensive backs early.... I am not @Bill from NYC I liked the Gilmore pick and the White pick and taking Darby early.... but that one McKelvin just never made any sense to me from a roster building perspective.

I didn’t like McKelvin much either but I never viewed him as being one of the worst though.

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10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You pretty much listed all of them since the turn of the century.  I'll add Torrell Troup and Cyrus Kouandjio.  McGahee and Watkins are in the same boat.  They had okay careers (mostly outside of Buffalo) but definitely weren't worth giving up a 1st rounder for.

Kouandjio lol, forgot all about him

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With the draft coming up I wanted to know some of  your guys lists on the worst players we ever drafted here.

 

mine starts off with Aaron Maybin, Mike Williams, Willis McGahee, CJ spiller, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Dante Whitner, Erik Flowers, James Hardy, and John McCargo, EJ Manuel etc

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6 hours ago, TroutDog said:

That was my point: he WANTS a large deal but will not get it and the Bills aren’t, in all probability, going to sign him. If we wanted a young run stopper in the $7-10m range, we would have kept Shaq.
 

We have plenty of cap available for our draft picks so I’m not sure what you meant there. 

In some ways I wish we would’ve kept Shaq, but I feel we got better players than him in Free agency. I think Shaq might take a step back or two in Miami cause their running a 3-4, Lawson struggled mightily in the 3-4

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6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Dalton will be cut to save that money.  Good luck finding someone to trade with to take on that contract.  So once he's a free agent I'm sure there will be a lot of bitters.  A banged up Flacco, Newton, and a mistake prone Winston is far superior to Matt Barkley.  I mean only if you intend on still competing if Allen goes down for some reason.  If not you're just tanking for a higher draft pick.

I doubt cinci is gonna cut Dalton, they have no other veteran QBs on their roster to mentor Burrow. 

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2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Barkley isn’t good enough.  It’s painfully obvious.  He has a 21% int ratio (Winston is at 3.5!).  But I do slightly understand why they don’t want to bring in a guy that could beat Allen out in camp.  But given our qb play last year, I think any decent qb could win games if Allen got hurt. 

I highly doubt Winston would beat Allen out in camp lol. Winston is not that good and can’t read NFL defenses

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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 
 

If the browns sign Clowney, sure. Not sure why we wouldn’t just sign Clowney ourselves, instead of signing the guy that the browns wanted to replace with Clowney. 
 

I never understood the Vernon love tbh, but he’d be a nice rotational guy.  I think Jerry and Addison are better pass rushers, but I’m all for spending any additional money on pass rush or OL upgrades

It all comes down to money. Remember these guys are experts. If Beane doesn’t feel Clowney is worth what he wants then he’s not going to sign him. Don’t get me wrong he’s a good player but can be very inconsistent at times and sometimes downright disappears in games. I’ve never been a Clowney fan and thought he was completely overhyped coming out of college

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Might be unpopular choices but what about Moore or McCown? Certainly it’s better than Bortles, Glennon and Flacco. 

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5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

is he overrated?  Yeah, he’s probably overrated. Is he a very good football player that can dominate the LOS from play to play and do things none of our current DEs can do?  Yeah, he is.  Will he improve our team in many ways?  Yeah, he would.  Is there any free agent that we can add that would improve our team more than he would?  Not in my opinion.

 

Improve our team in 2020 while having no negative impact on next years salary cap OR not improve our team for 2020 and have a similar cap next year.  
 

#itsnotrocketscience

How about Olivier Vernon? If the browns sign Clowney they’re going to release Vernon. I’d say take a shot on him he’s technically the same age as Clowney

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27 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I get what you’re saying but you have to think SB right now, even if it sounds crazy.  I’d say it’s 50-50 that Allen gets that big deal but if he does, everything changes.  This is the window to go all in, which I think they have done a pretty good job with.  But for all this talk about being salary cap “wizards,” Basically they had a bunch of cheap young guys who hadn’t gotta paid yet.  When Tre and possibly Allen get their money, there goes the salary cap.  

I agree with you and look I hope for the best and that we do make a run but right now as it stands it’s highly unlikely we’re making a SB run this year. But you never know stranger things have happened. 

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3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t want to really win the SB this year.  But let’s really go for it in 5 years when we have tons of cap space!!! Stupid KC.  Look at their lack of cap space.  I bet they totally regret all those contracts now!!!

 

and I don’t want to pay JC that much.  So overrated.  We already have enough “pass rushers” who don’t get sacks.  I’d rather have Shaq at 10 than JC at $18 (and Murphy at $0 ?).

LOL you really think we’re going to the super bowl this year? This team is still young and it’s probably gonna take another year before we can say we’re Super Bowl bound. We need to win the playoffs first before thinking about a superbowl

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it doesn’t matter much cause Clowney is talking with Cleveland and they are apparently offering him a really good deal. I’m not a Clowney fan I think we could find better in the draft

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30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Stupid?  To add one of the better DEs in the league on a one year deal that won’t affect our salary cap going forward......
 

might as well keep a Murphy, a player that isn’t nearly as good......
 

you say it’s dumb to sign a one year contract....then allude to the fact that we have upcoming free agents to sign.....

 

 

 

 

 

We do and I’d rather not waste 16 million on a 1 year rental

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6 minutes ago, Irish Dave said:

It would be cool to have Fitz come back here, be the back up and mentor Josh and finish his career here.  He said recently that when he pictures himself as a football player, it's in a Bills Uniform.....

Unfortunately I think this is most likely his last year as he’ll most likely retire with Miami. It would be cool to have a Fitz/Buffalo type of reunion. Who knows maybe after this year he might still want to play and maybe he’ll go back to the team he spent the most time with

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18 minutes ago, wppete said:

Would love to see a 1 year prove it deal around $16 million. The DE room would be solid.

 

DE - Jerry Hughes - Mario Addison

DT - Ed Oliver - Harrison Philips - Quinton Jefferson

DT - Star L. - Vernon Butler

DE - Jadeveon Clowney - Trent Murphy

2 years, that would be stupid to sign him for 1 year 16 million, especially if he goes right back into free agency the next year in 21. Might as well keep Murphy, plus we have some upcoming free agents that need contract extensions, the biggest one is White

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4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You wouldn’t offer him more than Trent Murphy’s contract?

No I wouldn’t. To me Clowney has an on and off switch. While he a good player he had the Benifits of playing on some real talented Houston Defenses. He was ok with Seattle but notice how Seattle is not chasing him to bring him back, I remember when this guy was being deemed a draft bust after 2 years into the NFL. At the end of it he just strikes me as the type of Player that after you pay him what he wants he’ll most likely not show up and will regress. 

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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Vet minimum dude? WTF?

Call me crazy but it seems that’s the direction he’s heading plus on top of the fact that he got his bell rung last year in the playoffs and has a injury history. If I’m Buffalo I’m not offering him anymore than a 2 year 13 million deal

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Vet minimum? No way. He will take a below his market value deal.... but he wouldn't play for vet minimum.

At this point he might not have a choice. It seems like his market is dying down every day. I’m sure he probably wishes he would’ve shut up and taken what Miami offered him. Cause the other teams

offers from what I’ve heard haven’t been able to match up to Miami’s first offer. Again he overvalued himself and now he’s starting to see the harsh reality of doing that

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1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

The QB can only play on 1 side of the ball. QBs can't win games, they can only help you win. Brees was 7-9 for 3 years and their offense was great, and Brees was great.

 

Prescott threw for 4900 yards, 65% completion, and 30 TDs to 11 Ints with the 6th best offense in the league.

 

Stats mean you did your job to help the team, but the team couldn't win. Dak did his job.

 

Stats are only meaningless when you build a false perception. A 12-4 Trubisky is fool's gold, a 7-9 Brees is still amazing. QBs don't win games, teams do.

I disagree on QBs don’t win games, Dan Marino is a prime example of a QB winning football games completely on his own lol. Same with John Elway in the 80s, he was on some real bad Bronco teams before Shanahan came to town and still managed to win games on his own.

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22 hours ago, Hardhatharry said:

Clowney isn't that good anyway.

No he’s a good player for sure, but he’s definitely not what some fans make him out to be