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I’m betting Hyde is back there for every punt in the playoffs.
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5 hours ago, ganesh said:
and this year is weird....there are only 7. 1000 yard RBs and some of them barely made it past the 1000 mark.
Player Yards/TD
Taylor. 1811/18
Chubb 1259/8
Mixon. 1205/13
Harris. 1200/7
Cook. 1159/6
Gibson 1037/7
Eliott. 1002/10
Weird to not see familiar faces such as Barkley, Kamara, Fournette, etc.
Interesting stat for sure. The obvious big factor is the rules make it so favorable to pass you have to.
The other major note is the majority or good running teams are going to a RB by committee. Elliot barely broke 1k with the extra game, that’s mostly because Pollard took a lot of carries, from such a high paid back it’s nuts.
Also, I can’t recall a year ever before there have been so many injuries to RBs. Henry would have had close to 2k, McCaffrey, all of Baltimore got hurt, most of the guys we are familiar with being on the list missed a bunch of games.
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Ok, the list is debatable, I get that. I personally feel Herbert is too high and I would take JA over Murray any day, but I can’t argue Rodgers, Brady, Burrow, Maholmes, being above JA as of today. The case can be made for the other 2, but my bias says JA is better. Here’s the good part, we have the last guy on the list who you would feel good about as your QB right now (Russ is criminally low on here, even if he’s beat to hell this year)
Carr is the next best option? Woof. To show how bad the QB situation around the league is, Jalen Hurts is 14, yeah that’s right, he is ranked better than over HALF the starters in the league.. yikes.
For all the years spent wishing we had a QB that could even be debated as a top 10 QB, I’m not going to worry about one guy putting our guy at 7, especially given that 2 of the guys above him are two of the all time greats. It’s really nice to not have to debate if Tannehill would have been the upgrade we needed to squeak into the playoffs. Forget it, we have it really good. Josh has been up and down this year, but as it’s been pointed out, even his down days are better than most guy’s good days. His good days are absolutely unbeatable. I sure would like to see him even that out to be more like a Rodgers level, but let’s not forget he’s still very young and still earning the big boy stripes. The only QBs I have ever seen be so damn poised and polished at such a young age are Burrow and Maholmes. They haven’t been perfect either, and both faced much better competition their whole lives. As long as Josh keeps growing, he will be a first ballot HOF player, if he stops right where he is, he probably still will be. That’s a nice place to be.
16 hours ago, Bruffalo said:I don't know how you're including Wilson that high after this season, he has not looked great.
Wilson has been beat up this year, hard to hold an injury riddled season against a guy with such a great history.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
My thing with Pittman coming out and I still feel this way is, what is he special at?
He does a lot of things well. He was a very safe pick, very high floor. Just not sure I see that special trait. With Lamb it is his ability to create with ball in hand, with Jefferson it is route running with Higgins it is contested catch ability.... Pittman is a good all rounder. I struggle a bit with where his special is.
I can see that argument, he reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald in that respect, but I will say he has not been targeted enough to have that type of impact. Maybe a more fair comparison would be an Eric Moulds type. The other thing you have to look at with his current production, who else on that team scares anyone? He gets ALL the best corners and help, the only other threat is a bruising running back. The Colts don’t throw a lot and don’t have/haven’t had a QB to really use him well.
Jefferson is an animal, really showing himself to be a top WR from day one, hard to believe he fell that deep in the draft. Lamb is a physical freak, but I don’t see a great player, I see a Peerless Price. Cooper gets the #1s, and they are 4 WR deep with real talent, plus a dangerous run game, he’s not getting lock down corners thrown at him. Again, in space great, having to create separation from a real CB and make tough catches, he’s not special, at all.
Higgins, we’ll he should be a Bill, but he’s in a situation where he’s not getting all the attention and has a borderline great QB throwing him the rock. He’s making the most of it. I don’t think he’s a number 1 either, but he’s a real good player. As long as he has a true 1 to play off of, he’s going to put up big numbers, make him THE guy and he will struggle.
Davis, also gets the luxury of not being THE guy, but he’s a lot like Pittman in the respect of being a really good all around player. He has #1 traits, I’d like to see the Bills give him the full time starting job and let him play. I’m not saying he’s going to be an All-Pro, but the guy can be a 1000 yard, 8TD guy and that’s damn good.
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1 minute ago, Mango said:
Where do you get that vibe? I’ve never gotten that feeling from Sanders.That said, I really don’t think the Bills make a signing like Sanders if 2/3 of our starting WR’s didn’t willfully risk missing 2 games.
He was playing the game, making sure he let the reporters know how elite Josh was from day one, he gets pissy when he’s not getting the ball, always has. He’s never been a true #1 and always wants the ball like he is one.
1 minute ago, billrooter said:Not just a number standpoint, Lamb is just alot more explosive IMO. Alot of his inconsistencies may be due to the fact that Dallas has so many options when you figure in Schultz emerging this year, Pollard out of the backfield, Cedric Wilson has been really good as well, in 2-3 games this year.
Oh I agree Lamb is more physically gifted. I’ve been watching the Boys quite a bit this year and drafted Lamb to my Fantasy team, the fact is, he flat out goes brain dead a lot. He’s dynamic as it gets in space, but I think he’d be a bust without all the weapons around him to take pressure off.
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He may well get the 2nd Half tomorrow, if Allen does his job, they will be up by 4 scores at half time.
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22 minutes ago, billrooter said:
I'd take Lamb then Higgins everyday of the week over Pittman at this point, But they are still only two years in, but that's just my opinion I guess.
From a raw number standpoint, yeah I see your point. I think Pittman would be thriving with a real QB and a pass centered offense. His game is really complete. I see your case and I see why you would feel that way, it’s just my opinion he’s higher.
6 minutes ago, Mango said:Jefferson looks like a starter.
Understatement of the season. Jesus.
I think Sanders and Davis are much closer than many on the board are willing to admit. I do think age is catching up to Sanders and being the consistent number two is wearing him down unfortunately. The dude was slick early in the season. Someseem to have forgotten about that. Everybody was on the ES hype train early on and were wondering why Josh wasn’t looking his way.
That said, I think Sanders was an insurance policy with Davis and Beasley willing to risk 10 days. Because both were willing to miss 10 days and possibly 2 games, he got the live reps.
I was not on that train. Since he got here, he’s been worried about his catches. I didn’t like and still don’t like the signing.
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Lamb is really over rated, he is horribly inconsistent. I’d take:
Jefferson
Pittman
Higgins
Lamb
Davis
Have got screwed over with the signing of Sanders. He should be the 2 on this team all the time. He’s been the best performer all year. Of course Diggs is getting his, but he’s had a sub par year vs what he did last year. Davis has BALLED OUT.
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They screwed up big time, like Brock Oswieler big. Their cap hit is $14M for next year, then $17M, 17M and 13M, FOR A RUNNING BACK, who hasn’t stayed healthy.
if they trade him, the dead cap is 26M, so I really doubt this is the year they are going to do that. He’s relatively affordable at $8M in 2022 and only 1M is guaranteed in 2023, so that part is doable for another team, but if you keep him you are paying essentially $12M a year for him after next year.. tough sell.
If he could stay healthy he’s worth it, but that’s a huge if.
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7 minutes ago, cle23 said:
By then, if contracts are exploding like you say, odds are Allen will ask for a new contract. He isn't going to sit at $40M if average Joe's are getting $50M.
This is why Josh’s deal was better than Maholmes’. He’ll get to re set the market again, Maholmes will likely never get to. Allen got paid almost as much AND gets to go again in his prime, Maholmes will be in the league for 13 years by the time he gets another shot at being a FA, not great.
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9 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:
Nope - want nothing to do with him myself. He has talent, but can’t stay healthy and adds little to the backfield the majority of the time.
I would rather see Cordarrelle Patterson by far than Penny. Patterson is on a 3 million contract - can play RB and WR and can run some of those gadget plays and he has been remarkably healthy across his career playing all 16 games most years and 15 games a couple of times.
Let Penny get overpaid by some team for limited production and a guy that will miss between 5-8 games a season.
Not sure you will get Patterson that cheap, or if he would want to give up what has essentially been a starting RB role to come here as a gadget guy, would love it if he would though. He’s been intriguing his whole career, happy to see him finally putting it together.
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56 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
I can see that happening Bobby. A 3 year extension and take next year's cap down from $17M closer to $10M after they pay him a lot of cash in
his signing bonus. I think it's a high possibility. He will cost a little more over $20M per year after that.
If anything, you want to give him a 5 year “extension”, you pay him a 30M signing bonus, this years salary gets reduced to 1 mill, the next goes to 5, next at 7, all guaranteed, then nothing guaranteed for years 4 and 5 of the deal, but the base can be crazy high, so he gets paid 43MM over 3 years, average of a 15.3M, but your cap hit is 7M, 11M, 13M, then you can restructure or post June 1 cut him and have 12 M dead cap, that can be spread over 2 years, or you work out his deal to be what it’s worth at that point. Kick the can down the road, but don’t leave yourself too much dead cap that you can’t get around it.
Obviously, my numbers are hypothetical, but it’s the basic framework that matters.
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3 hours ago, Process said:
The Chiefs are playing Saturday and not losing to Drew Lock
Ya never know, I mean ya know, but who knows if the Covid bug sneaks up and bites any team, nothing is a given.
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8 hours ago, Momma Pecoraro said:
Trade Diggs in the off season for a 1st rounder. Save the cap and the cash. Great talent and great guy. He is taking a beating in this offense and is 28. Speed will decrease and injuries will accumulate. Blowing $20 mil per on him is a waste with both lines as average. Bills are without elite speed at wr (and have subpar speed at rb).
Jefferson excels with the Vikings, they don't miss Diggs. Do similarly and draft a young stud (and dump Beasley too). Form a new core on rookie contracts. Maybe bring in a 25-27yo FA. The Bills brought in a past prime Sanders several years too late. He has been ineffective the second half of the season. Don't overpay declining assets.
The QB is the centerpiece. That is dialed in for 10 years barring catastrophic injury. Everyone else should revolve around him interchangeably.
I don’t think you can dump ALL of your performers at once, but I would let Diggs contract play out. Beasley and Sanders can go this year. I’d have no problem seeing McKenzie or a similar player out there for Beasley and I think we are watching Davis proclaim the job HIS on the outside. He’s still not a bonafide #1 by any stretch, but he might be in a year with more looks and experience. If Diggs continues to perform, give him sizable deals with little guaranteed so you can move on if you want. He’s a small guy, I’m not going to risk the farm on him not getting hurt.
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15 hours ago, msw2112 said:
Just an interesting side tought - when the agreement was signed, wasn't the season only 16 games? I wonder how much the expansion to 17 games is costing teams in these kinds of bonuses. I assume they are more than making up for it with the extra week of TV advertising revenue, plus gate, concessions, parking, etc.
Yeah, I thought about that too, Sack record is in danger etc bc of the extra week. Overall, I don’t feel bad for the owners having to shell out some bonuses that wouldn’t have hit w out the extra week. They are going to take in a lot of cash for it, now they have to pay a little of it out, oh well. You wanted an extra game, now deal with it.
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16 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:
There are a lot of extenuating circumstances that have led to the drop in performance we've seen from Baker and Lamar this season. I'm not super high on either of them, but they are much better than they've shown in 2021. The Ravens have been decimated by injuries this year and we know Baker isn't healthy. I think the Browns and Ravens should find a way to lock up these guys.
I think Lamar gets a Josh Allen type of contract in the offseason. Maybe a little more based on the cap and inflation. I'm not saying he's "worth" that, but they need to keep him and that's what he's going to demand.
As for the Browns, they were a nothing joke before Baker. Do they really want to play the QB carousel again for 20 years? Baker is probably around the 12-15th best QB in the NFL when healthy. The question is whether the Browns can get Baker to sign for a contract number in that range. They shouldn't break the bank for him, but do they want to roll the dice on him bouncing back with a big year in 2022 and demanding huge money or walking?
Both have 5th year options so nothing is going to change for this year, I’d roll the dice on Baker. If he shows up, sweet pay him, if not, bye. Jackson is the only QB likely to get big money even next year so why not let him play this year, the big dogs have been paid, let it roll, the market isn’t going to change much.
The Bills played it a little safe, but might actually have signed Josh too early. You got him after what might be the best season he’ll ever have, might have gotten a better deal this year honestly. Doubt it matters much, but might have given another year of him under control.
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49 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
If Jackson were to catch that lightning and get 1 Super Bowl and then just be a realt good regular season QB who loses in the playoffs…
How much different would that make him than Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees? And a head of guys like Philip Rivers with what they were able to accomplish in their careers?
You have a point, there’s going to be a tough road to a SB for anybody out of the AFC for a few years at least. KC, Buffalo,Tenn, Cincy all look to have a solid program that should be in the playoffs every year. Baltimore should be too, but they have been snake bit this year, still really impressive where they are given the circumstances. Then you have LAC, NE, possibly Miami, Indy who are all on the cusp of having it all together. So if he does in fact find a way to win one, he may be seen in a similar light as those guys.
25 minutes ago, dneveu said:They're 8-8 using running backs who weren't even on the camp roster. They've used 3 different QBs. Peters missed all season. Humphrey banged up and now done for the year All 3 of their top WRs have missed time. Stanley has barely played. They've used a ton of linemen all year long.
They're a good team when a lot of those guys are in the game, jackson especially. He'll get paid.
No doubt, that team should be way further ahead, they have done great given the situation. They don’t HAVE to pay Lamar this year though.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Personally? If I am the Ravens I am paying Lamar Jackson. He is not a great passer, and likely never will be a great passer, but he is just such a dynamic playmaker and they win games when he is on the field that is undeniable.
Baker is tougher. I think I'd let it play out maybe even franchise tag him a year after his rookie deal. He has been battling through a shoulder injury all season this season and I don't want to make a rash decision based on that, but he was a borderline pay or let go decision anyway for me. The issue for Cleveland might be I don't see them bottoming out any time soon to be in position to draft another guy in the top 10. They might be in purgatory somewhat.
Yep, Cleveland is stuck in QB purgatory right now, you built too good of a team to fail hard enough to get a good pick, but you don’t have the guy that can get you over the hump. They are set up for years of 9-8, with the occasional glimmer of hope, maybe pulling off the 12 wins on a years when their NFC schedule is putrid and they will keep trying to find the one piece to get them over the hump. Meanwhile, Cincy has a core that’s going to destroy them for years. This is the problem with not having the right QB, we had it here for years, just good enough to never tank, never good enough to actually contend. Baker is (at least the current version of him) the equivalent of a slightly stronger armed Fitzpatrick. That’s to say, there are games where he’s great, but those costly mistakes when it comes to crunch time will kill you. Look at Fitz with the Jets, as front runners he’d bury you, but there’s not a QB in the league you would rather face than Fitz and Now Baker late in the game, when they had to make it happen.
Jackson is essentially a modern Vick with less of an arm. I think he also puts you in purgatory, but he also gives you chances that nobody else can. I wouldn’t want him as my franchise, but once you have him, it’s next to impossible to let it go. I could see him finding lightning in a bottle and winning a SB, but I really doubt it. The D will have to be exceptional and the opponents will have to have the right weakness’s and a LOT will have to bounce their way for it to happen.
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I think the whole QBR makes as much sense as Jackson over Allen for ProBowl. I understand there were 3 picks, but the number should account for drops too if it’s going to be reflective of the QB. If you go back and give Josh the passes his receivers flat out dropped while being hit in the hands his stat line is way different. You are looking at probably 250 yards, 2 TD passes and 3 ints. Of the ints, 1 I blame on his arm arrogance (see what I did there?), where he through the could just throw it through the defender at the line, 1 which he probably could/should have thrown away on the scramble and the other where Beas clearly wasn’t on the same page, I don’t know who to put them all on, but I credit him with 2 for sure. Now he also might not have had the day running the ball that he did because he could have trusted somebody to catch a damn ball, but he strapped up and won that game. That QBR stat is pure garbage.
Side note, is Davis the only receiver on the team that actually catches the ball anymore? I’m cringing every time the ball goes anywhere but him. Diggs, drop in the hands MULTIPLE times this year, dude looks like a dome only player this season. Knox started off well and has lost it, Sanders has dropped a number of balls and Beasley just makes up his own mind on catching it or never putting his hands up, it’s crazy how bad the Receivers have regressed this year. I think they got full of themselves. I don’t know if Sanders has been a problem with it to, but there’s NO GRIT at all outside of Davis this year. Last year, they were junk yard dogs, they got their ass beat in the playoffs and have never been the same since. Hopefully, this year we see the opposite, they come into the playoffs to beat some ass and play the way we know they can.
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21 hours ago, Limeaid said:
Allen is closer in ability to Steve Young (who he watched as a kid) to Vick, Newton and Jackson.
That’s probably the best comparison out there really. Both really good at both facets of the game, Josh obviously a little bigger/stronger, but very similar skill sets.
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Jackson will get a big contract, they just have to hope this isn’t the start of a lot of injury issues. Not saying I want him as my QB, just looking at the infatuation with the guy, I think he gets paid.
I would let Baker play it out. He has steadily regressed, I’d risk it with him.. if he kills it, tag him and get a deal done, if not move on. If you can’t figure it out in 5 years, I’m not waiting anymore.
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Dude is a missile in a straight line, rumor has it he’s been working with Moss on using his blockers, only good things can come of this.
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25 minutes ago, klos63 said:
He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too.
He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement. He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league. Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.
25 minutes ago, klos63 said:He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too.
He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement. He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league. Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.
25 minutes ago, klos63 said:He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too.
He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement. He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league. Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.
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Agreed, scares the Chit outta me