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16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
I'm fine with a smaller trade-up for Brian Thomas, Jr, who I think has real stud potential. I realize there might be some risk, but he's a specimen who has produced.
The guy definitely has the measurables, good production last year. He’s the body type I want them to go get, I have only watched 1 game of him and some highlights, but he strikes me as a guy that could be really good too.
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16 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
here was the tweet i saw tompsett retweet
this is something
Ok, but WHY are they not signing a second contract, is it bc they cost too much? Obviously, there are busts, but example, I know AJ Brown is on that list of didn’t re-sign. -
4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
Pretty soon, teams won't be able to afford vet QBs once their franchise WR is off of his rookie contract.
After KC has PROVEN, you don’t have to have Elite WRs, the trend is insane. Look how many games Adams has helped the Raiders win after that massive deal. Look where the fins went with Hill, etc. ONE guy, maybe 15 opportunities a game cannot be taking 10-15% of the cap if you have a QB taking 20%, the way it’s headed, you have a QB at 50+, pair of WRs at 50+, TE at 20+. LT/RT at 50+ the rest of the line at 30+ and we don’t even have a full offense on the field yet. The math don’t math. Going this crazy over WRs is the wrong move.
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3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
I hear you. That said, I think Odunze is amazing and everything the Bills need in a WR. I see the next Davante Adams in him. He’s also a non-moron.
He’s the guy I’m locked on. I fear I’m not the only one. He looks like a guy who’s humble enough to hang around a long time and not be a problem, while being a top 10 WR. That’s a rare RARE combo. I kinda feel like this class is going to be one where the top guys might not be all world and there are some guys that really excel drafted later. I don’t have the time to break down all the guys and try to pick my sleepers, but if you don’t land Odunze, which will take a massive trade up, I don’t think the value presents to take one of the tier 3 guys at 28. I know a lot of people don’t want to hear it, but barring a big trade up, or someone taking a really unexpected fall (possible, if you look at the year we traded for Diggs, my #1 WR, Lamb fell to 17), then I won’t be shocked if we go back in the draft. Also wouldn’t be shocked if they caught a stud on D that fell down the board a bit and they went that direction. I know the board will melt down, but an impact CB, S or DL would make this team more complete and better suited to compete for a title. The DL we have is not good enough unless Von is fully back and even if so, he’s probably in his last year here. Then Groot has be signed to more than he’s producing or be replaced, so DE/Edge, whatever you call it, also needs talent added.
Big thing to take away, if they don’t start getting impact from the early round guys, this team will always be a bridesmaid and Allen will always be looked at as the QB that “can’t win it all”, which is complete bull####, but that’s the story until he does.
1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:I still feel burned by the Watkins trade and scenario. WR is too much of a crap shoot to burn future picks.
Then there’s Julio Jones.. that worked out and ATL should have a title with him were it not for their own collapse.
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9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
the players….especially Mahomes almost certainly would have developed differently and not for the better if they came hereOh, you’re CERTAIN of it? Allen went from being on of the most raw QB prospects in years to one of the best in the league, you don’t think Mahomes could/would have been fine here? Diggs improved his numbers here, Jefferson magically wouldn’t have transitioned to the NFL, why because Kirk Cousins “made him”? This is one of the dumbest arguments out there.
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29 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:
Giants trade with Arizona and move from #6 to #4 ... With the 4th pick the Giants take QB JJ McCarthy ... With the 6th pick the Cards take WR Rome Odunze.
Beane will use a 4th and 5th to move up to 25 and take DE Chop Robinson. The reasoning being it's not a strong DE draft and they can get a WR in the 2nd.
I hate that you may be right.
Here’s to hoping Beane has a shocker in store for us and goes up to get one of the WR prospects. Remember the year we got Diggs, CeeDee fell to 17, which would have been well within striking distance AND Jefferson fell to the Bills. Making the Bills the team that has traded away both Mahomes and Jefferson, favoring “proven” talent.
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7 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:
Kneeland in round 1 sounds more like a move the Raiders would make
Nah, he’s not fast.
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Oh how funny, remember Woody Johnson telling the world he was worth so much and they wouldn’t move on for nothing.. here we are.
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Looks like they would be great in the XFL, which interestingly enough, is where they could compete.
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Always start with a Go Bills and see where it goes. If a conversation starts with a woman, you know there’s a solid chance with her, she’s already used to being optimistic and then disappointed 13 seconds later.
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2 hours ago, Beck Water said:
Agree on your conclusion 100%.
And 100% not to pick on you @DCofNC, but I'm reading what I'll call "numbers logic" from quite a few - to me, it just doesn't work to say something to the effect of "OK, Samuel can step up and give us 75% of Diggs production and Shakir can double his production and we're even" because they're different guys. In Samuel's best year, I believe the stats were he played 74% of the time from the slot. I'm not sure how often Shakir has lined up outside, but I don't think it's much.
So can they both be more productive, sure, but we still need those guys who pose a significant downfield threat. It's not just a numbers game, it's a skills game.
I don't sense that you disagree, I just feel it's appropriate to stress that.
Agreed completely. I think both are similar to Diggs in that they CAN play outside, but are better served inside. Diggs is great from the slot and really good outside, but when he’s the only thing ya got.. now they have nobody of starting quality that’s truly an outside guy.
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Have to agree with him. The team obviously needed help at WR last year and that was WITH a top 10 WR already on the roster. With Diggs gone, you can hope for Samuel to stay healthy and match 75% of that production and to have Shakir double his production and then you are theoretically almost even. That said, you are still down the production of Davis which wasn’t great, but it’s still a pretty sizable chunk of yards and TDs.
I don’t think anybody outside of Buffalo would say the Bills are in a better spot than they were at the end of last year and WR production was a major problem down the stretch.
Doubling down and trying to take two guys who can play the boundaries would be a big investment, but I’d argue a necessary one.
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Absolutely not, he’s completely washed.
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5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
That's the way I am feeling too. I think Odunze is more of their flavor since he's a contested catch monster.
The more I see the more I like Odunze. I don’t watch enough college ball to even pretend to know who is going to translate to the NFL, but I think this team needs a stud at WR and I’d go after one this year by using next years 1st if I had to. Even if you burn next year’s first, you have 2 seconds and a lot more cap room to work with, making for a better re-tool scenario. For me, try to preserve this years 2nd if you can, but just about anything else would be on the table to go get the guy they want.
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That concludes it, send it all to NYG and get Nabers or Odunze and go golf for the weekend.
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On 4/13/2024 at 10:34 PM, EmotionallyUnstable said:
In spirit of the thread, I think this is where many folks get hung up. We like to discuss players as if the suit a particular position a la “he can play the X”…I’m just not so sure that labeling it as such nearly describes WHY people are making that comparison.
I think the traditional roles of an X or Z or slot are often over cast onto specific skill sets (quickness, size, etc). As you said, idc what you call them, but can they win and win now?
A guy like worthy isn’t on the table at 28 for the Bills IMO not because he “can’t play the X” but because he likely will not offer skills that they value such as blocking, winning of LOS etc
Really well put. I look at the current roster and have to think the ideal target is going to be a physical specimen. Shakir and Samuel are smaller fast guys who can work inside or outside. Kincaid will spend a lot of time in the middle, Cook will take throws inside, so who is the outside guy? You can’t rely on Shorter, Hollis etc. Not to knock the efforts last year, but letting D-Hop go to the Titans on that deal was a huge miss, he’s the perfect fit for what they need. He has plenty of speed, size, vertical ability and most importantly, he catches everything. The Bills really need an Anquon Boldin type who’s both physical off the line and fast enough to make you think twice about him down the field. I don’t think they need the real burner. Samuel or Shakir going down field is going to be plenty, they will run past any S in the league. They have to connect on a few to get respect for the deep ball again. Just that respect is enough to impact the D. Unless you get a guy with absolutely elite explosiveness like Hill, the smaller frames generally are manageable in the red-zone, jam them up, timing is gone, their impact is taken away in tight spaces. The Bills have moved effortlessly for 3 years between the 20s, they were good in the RZ when Davis had his head out of his ass and Knox was a threat, why both of them disappeared is more than I know, but they did. Then it became Josh waiting on Diggs to get open and the RZ became a problem. With exactly zero people on this roster for anyone to fear, teams will be going after JA in the RZ if they don’t find a threat, I live Kincaid and he can be that guy, but he hasn’t proved he is Kelce 2.0. So when is matters, where is the ball going? Josh is going to play Superman again. They have to do better.
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2 hours ago, Warcodered said:
Josh already working on his game with Kincaid.
Uhh oh, Josh I’d looking like Schnoman
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On 4/10/2024 at 5:18 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:
Several of the WR's in this draft have 39+ in verticals, so they get contested balls.
But can they get off the press coverage in time for it to matter?
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8 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:
Move up what 2 spots?
In the 4th
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On 4/8/2024 at 12:31 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:
Cosell said he sees Thomas and AD Mitchell as guys who will develop into #1 WR's. BUT.... there is no denying the pure speed of Worthy. I don't know if we need a true X in the form of size. We just need guys who can beat man coverage, create space and catch the ball consistently. A guy can be 5'11 and 190lbs and do that esp if he has a good Vertical for contested balls.
Speed is great, when there is space. Give me a guy that can produce in the RZ ALL DAY over a pure burner. How many of those super fast guys are worth anything when it counts? Think 4th quarter, December, 3rd and goal from the 8. Ball has to come out fast, screw the smurfs, give me a DUDE.
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On 4/8/2024 at 5:06 PM, nosejob said:
A guy on OBL made a really cool what if scenario....
What if BB traded 2025 1st/2nd and 3rd to get to 4 with AZ. (we keep 28) AZ. would still have a 1st rd. pick later.
What if BB then traded back ... probably twice, ( to 8-12 then maybe 12 to 20)) getting an extra 2nd and 3rd for this year and next.
Gives us 2 1sts 2 2nds and a 3rd. not to mention regaining 2 for 25.
Really stupid scenario is what you mean, zero chance in hell AZ would trade this years 4th overall pick for a late first rounder NEXT year.
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Absolutely not worth it, he hasn’t been consistent in the least bit. I really like him, but that’s a steep over pay.
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30 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
And, think of all the other players this franchise could have drafted in 2014 if only Whaley knew what he was doing. Trading up they could have drafted Mike Evans a 1000-yard WR every year since being drafted...but then if he had he still might be an NFL GM...somewhere. Look back at that 2014 Buffalo Bills draft class...that GM was clueless.
That one hurts, Watkins did look like Julio Jones 2.0, so I get the idea, hard to know he was going to be a lazy bum though. Evans turned out to be amazing, would have been a great pick. OBJ was also very good for quite a while, wouldn’t have minded that pick either, but alas, we took the one guy who busted. The fact they wasted the pick on EJ was the worst. Stupid ole coot Buddy forced a pick and we got nothing for it. If you are confident in trading DOWN for your franchise QB, don’t take that dude.
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I’m really between option 1 and 2, I think he’s a punk ass in decline.
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Lions extend St. Brown (4 years, 120 mil, 77 gtd)
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Kelce was as big of a deal as Diggs last year, they STILL won. It’s Mahomes and Chris Jones they really rely on.