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9 minutes ago, Jerboski said:
Bro I love Allen and he is our franchise but he wasn’t great tonight and single handidly made this a close game along with a cook drop
glad he settled down but he has to be better in the playoffs
Over 400 yards of total offense and 2 TD's including the game winner. It was Allen converting all those first downs that kept the Miami O off the field, protected our D and left them fresh and energized to close out the game.
Allen was magnificent tonight.
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The Josh "freaking" Allen experience. My goodness. And think about the 3 guys who contributed so much to this win - Rapp, Sherfield and Harty - man it was unbelievable.
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59 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:
Where is @CincyBillsFanto say that Allen’s play is the least of the passing game worries?
I'm watching the game and the first INT was 100% on Davis - watch the replay. The 2nd INT was on Allen but as usual Davis was in the vicinity. The 2nd Allen TD was dropped by Cook. That is Cooks THIRD dropped easy TD catch this season. THIRD!
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3 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:
The dirty hit on Fields is one of the worst non calls of the entire season. Embarrassing officiating! Even a high school official would call that.
You should what they just called a PF in the Cowboys/Commanders game! The NFL has a BIG ref problem.
4 minutes ago, Process said:Dak should be MVP. His numbers blow Lamars out of the water and his team is going be the two seed.
I think Lamar is great, top 5 QB. But the medias obsession with a guy with 1 playoff win in 6 years is out of control.
MVP has lost all value after this year IMO. Popularity contest just like the pro bowl.
Cowboys are doing their best to pad Dak's stats so he can steal the MVP from Jackson. Up 35 - 10 midway through the 4th quarter Prescott is still in the game throwing passes to the end zone!
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9 hours ago, BigDingus said:
But regarding the OP's point, this is the narrative around Allen. I get downvoted like crazy any time I bring it up, but you can't go anywhere online talking about Allen without a chorus of people telling you he's a turnover machine that chokes in big moments.
Who cares what anonymous online posters have to say about Allen. Hell I don't care what the NFL talking heads have to say about Allen I care even less about what morons on other message boards think. And yes anyone who says Allen "chokes" or is a "TO machine in big moments" is a moron. Can we all agree that playoff games are "big moments" and do these stats from his 8 playoff games look like "choking" to any reasonable person?
Passing: 2334 yards; 64% completion; 17 TD's; 4 INT's; rating = 99.6
Rushing: 417 yards; 6.6 yards per carry; 3 TD's; 1 lost fumble
Receiving: 1 catch; 16 yards; 1 TD
Total yards = 2767; 346 yards/game; 21 TD's & 5 TO's.
As for regular season "big moments", if your QB is choking in these games you don't have 5 straight 10 or more win seasons, 4 straight playoff trips; & 3 straight division titles with more to hopefully come tonight.
This narrative about Allen is wrong. Period end of sentence.
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12 hours ago, zow2 said:
Josh can rewrite the narrative of his career and it starts on SNF.
Win, get the 2 seed, take advantage of home field advantage, maybe an upset vs Baltimore gets the AFC Championship game at Buf, and it’s all on the table. We’re all rooting for this.
Lose, and he’s discussed as a guy that scores TDs and turns the ball over too much, flames out late in the season.
Allen doesn't have to "rewrite the narrative of his career" all he has to do is add to it. That narrative is already partially written and it includes:
* The first elite Bills QB since Jim Kelly.
* The QB that ended the Bills sentence to football purgatory with a bang leading them to 5 straight 10 win or more seasons; 4 straight playoff appearances; 3 straight division titles and a trip to the conference championship.
* The QB that led the Bills to their 1st playoff win in 25 years.
* The QB that had arguably 2 of the best back to back playoff performances in NFL history.
* The QB that has already broke numerous NFL records including most TD's through their first 6 years and the only NFL QB to total 40 or more TD's in 4 straight seasons.
* Arguably the most physically gifted QB in NFL history.
And for you negative Nancy's:
* An at times an overly aggressive QB who is prone to TO's.
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6 hours ago, Beck Water said:
The Bengals 1, 2, and 3rd round picks this year were all on defense. Exact same thing last year. When we look at the Bengal's Salary Cap, Burrow is the top hit of course, followed by Reader and Hendrickson on D; their top salary cap hits are about evenly split between O and D. It's true that their biggest FA splash was at LT, but their other two "splashes" were at LB and Safety.
They didn't just let their two safeties walk, they let Hayden Hurst (TE) go and replaced him with a vet minimum UDFA type.
Look, there are some specific arguments one can make about the Bills roster build - including that they under-invested on OL and at WR until this past season, while Cincy drafted a WR in round 2 the year they drafted Burrow and doubled down with another in Rd 1 next season.
But the full picture of how the Bengals are handling their roster is far more nuanced than the picture you paint. They are NOT just making decisions based on "what was best for their offense", or they would have picked up Higgins 5th year option instead of having him head for FA. They had to make big splash investments in OT because their '21 2nd round pick busted. And the Bengals needed to "work tirelessly" to shore up their OL, because it was so bad Burrow was leading the league in Sacks per Game his first 2 seasons, and is still way up there.
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The Bengals haven't been all that nuanced in building their roster since Taylor became coach in 2019. He's an offensive guy and used his first two picks take offensive players in 2019, 2020 & 2021. In 2019 they took an OT in round 1 (11th pick) & a TE in round 2. In 2020 they took a QB in round 1 (1st pick of the draft) and a WR with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. In 2021 they took a WR in the 1st round (5th pick) and an OT in the 2nd round. So for his first 3 drafts Taylor took offense in the 1st two rounds (11, 1, 5). That is an enormous investment in draft capitol for the offense.
In 2022 & 2023, the Bengals invested heavily in FA to boost their O line with four major signings over the two years.
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
I mean the Bengals have thrown more money at their oline than the Bills and this year got worse results up front. Where else does this investment you speak of show up? It isn't in their receivers - all 3 of those guys were draft picks.
And on "the Bills need to draft receivers higher" no arguments. I have been draggin Brandon Beane for that for 3 years.
The fact is the Bengals are a franchise that focuses on the offense as a direct result of having an elite QB:
* They have an offensive head coach
* They used the 5th pick in the draft to take Chase.
* They have invested heavily in their O line to mixed results (like we have on the D line) but there is no denying that the Bengals are better up front then they were in 2021.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Allen is the main reason the Bills are a Superbowl threat every single year. But down the stretch here it hasn't been Superman Josh and 21 guys. They have turned their season around through really strong team performances particularly on defense and they have ran the ball well. The passing game has been the bit that has been lagging behind.
It isn't nitpicking. It is honest analysis of what the Bills have put on film.
I agree and I'm not saying you are doing the nitpicking. But even a casual read of these threads can see that there are some Bills fans who nitpick Allen to death.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
They did have a 2nd year safety they spent a 1st round pick on ready to step in, which factored into that decision.
The Bengal's made a decision based on what was best for their offense. They did this because they have an elite QB and they have worked tirelessly the last few seasons to surround him with the best possible talent on O. The Bills made off season FA decisions based on what was best for their defense. At its core this is the fundamental difference between Buffalo and the other leading SB contenders this season.
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Not all on Allen at all. But there is a narrative that is being attempted here that none of the passing game struggles are on Josh. And they are. It is all parts. Separation hasn't been great against man. Protection has had difficult games against KC and New England. The drops have been drive killers. But there have been bad reads, slow decisions and poor throws (including throws fired in at short quarters unnecessarily) that have contributed too.
Everyone on that side needs to play better tomorrow and in the playoffs. And as always on offense it starts with your Quarterback.
This is true of every elite QB in the NFL today. I agree that Allen owns some of this but at the same time the Bills have not focused on surrounding him with high end play makers until just this off season and that was through the draft.
Allen is the reason the Bills are playing for a division title tomorrow and the reason that they've won at least 10 games for the last 5 seasons, and are on the cusp of winning at least 11 games for 4 straight seasons and are about to make it 5 straight playoff seasons and 4 straight division titles.
IMO nitpicking what Allen could do a little better to get the Bills over the hump is the last place this team needs to look.
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12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
This is something I posted about Sunday’s game in the MVP thread. Joe Marino did a full All-22 analysis of the game and largely concludes our receivers are letting Josh down.
Bruce Nolan said the same thing in his Bruce Exclusive podcast this week. He emphasizes the team really needs 2 things we don't have: a field stretcher and someone who's dynamic with the ball in their hands.
Brown was the field stretcher in 2020 and we haven't had one since for a couple of seasons. This is a huge need when you have a QB that can put the ball almost anywhere on the field from almost any spot on the field.
The other thing the Bill's receiving group doesn't have is the type of WR that turns 50/50 balls into 90/10 balls. The kind that can high point the ball. You know a guy like D Hop. The Bills, focusing on the D signed Floyd who has played great and leads the team in sacks. On the other hand if they had signed D Hop can you imagine how much better the O would be? Look at the numbers D Hop has posted with the crap QB's in TN throwing to him: 68 catches for 1011 yards & 6 TD's.
These are the choices that the Bills, as a defensive minded franchise, are making. The Bengals let 2 very good safeties walk in order to free up money to further strengthen their O line to protect their elite QB so he could make more throws to their elite collection of WR's.
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20 hours ago, Einstein said:
The video reviewer actually says something along the lines of “on second thought, this is a good play by the Patriots. It’s a tough minus (for Allen)”. Even he admits it’s horse crap to blame Allen for it, but he doesn’t remove it from the film…
Another from the video. Josh didn’t hit Diggs 25 yards down field, on the run, with two defenders about to pummel him. It was a scramble drill and THIS was used as an example of Allen missing an open guy. The analysis in the video was a joke.
I get that i’m an Allen homer but my goodness some of the stuff he is getting blamed for is wild.
In fact wasn't this the play where a smart Diggs would have slowed down and drawn a guaranteed PI call?
18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:And over the last month the worst in the NFL when not under pressure.
Is that all on Allen or does the fact that the receivers often don't get open or at other times drop the ball contribute to this?
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14 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
We're constantly having to ask these "what happened" questions with this team.
Allen one week is 320 and 4 TDs, the next week its 169 and 1 INT.
Diggs disappears and it's all fine at OBD.
Cook 179 yards one week, 35 the next week.
Kincaid 8 catches one week, 1 target the next week.
We all see these things.
And we all see that this happens to EVERY other team in the NFL, especially this season.
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23 hours ago, Beck Water said:
A little bit of the Devil's Advocate here. While Brady was, in his prime, unquestionably an Elite of Elites as a QB, was Brady really elite in that Superbowl he won?
-in the NFCCG, he threw 3 interceptions.
-his completion % in the playoffs were 55, 55, 56 and 72% in the Superbowl
-threw for less than 200 net yards in the Superbowl
The real hero of that SB IMHO was Tampa Bay's defense, which picked Mahomes twice, forced a fumble (they didn't recover), held tight coverage, and harried, harrassed, and bothered Mahomes all day long. The QB we saw for Tampa wasn't quite "the ghost of Tom Brady" but you could see his ghost from there.
Similar with Stafford. Stafford had a 12 year career on a bad team where he was often way up the leaderboard for passing yards, but was regarded as a great passer who would make key gaffs at bad times. He didn't have a history of probowls or NFL MVPs. 1 PB I think. And indeed, in his Superbowl year with the Rams, he led the league with 17 interceptions. In the Superbowl, he threw 2 INTs and had kind of a "meh" passer rating of 89.9. Burrow was 100.9. The Rams defense sacked Burrow 7 times and hit him 11 times, such that even though Burrow had statistically a much better day and Higgins and Chase both "went off", they couldn't sustain enough drives. I kind of see that Rams win as in part overcoming Stafford's gaffs instead of led by elite QB play from Stafford.
Just my opinion.
But doesn't this just illustrate that even the elite QB's can have bad games? Remember Mahomes stunk up the joint against NE in an AFC title game before having a brilliant 2nd half.
There is more to the advantage an elite QB gives a team going to and winning a Super Bowl then their play. There is an aura of confidence they bestow on the whole team that is difficult to quantify but IMO very real.
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Eight of the last 9 Super Bowl winning teams have been led by elite QB's including the last 5 in a row (Brady, Stafford & Mahomes). So things seem to have changed.
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14 minutes ago, VW82 said:
Josh didn't even make it as an alternate for the probowl. MVP talk has been ridiculous for a while now. His stats have overrated his overall play this season imo. Too many close games lost where he just didn't have it for long stretches.
So you're blaming Allen for the D blowing three games where the Bills had the lead with less then 2 m9nutes to go?
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2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:
The problem is in Tennessee he is the primary focus of the passing game. In Buffalo he's likely 2nd or maybe even 3rd in the pecking order. Would he be better than our 3rd option. Is now? Sure but as you elude at the expense of Floyd. To me it's not worth it.
Given his production in TN and the "quality" of QB's throwing to him D Hop would clearly be the #2 guy in Buffalo. In fact he would be the 1B guy. And his presence would draw coverage away from Diggs.
The Bills made a choice and they went with defense. And you can argue that from a defensive standpoint it was the right choice. But therein lies the problem, the best teams with the best chances of making and winning a SB are all focusing on their offense. Even Baltimore with it's great D spent the off season focusing on the O and helping Jackson out.
7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:I wonder if there was back-and-forth between Daboll and McD (or McD and Beane) on how best to develop Allen. It does seem odd that Peterman only lasted a half-game before being replaced by Allen. Maybe Daboll or Beane convinced McD - against his better judgment - to start Peterman and develop Allen slowly. But watching Peterman's dismal play destroyed McD's patience. It's hard to know.
I would love to know the answer to this question.
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Just now, BullBuchanan said:
HE'S LITERALLY TURNED AROUND AND A YARD AND A HALF CLOSER TO THE DB.
Can't make this stuff up.Kincaid is tracking the ball while the DB, who is likely faster, is desperately chasing him to catch up. What else would you expect? That throw was perfect and the play gained what it was supposed to. Again watch the throw and catch in real time and there is not an appreciable slow down by Kincaid. Had Allen thrown that pass further there would have been a good chance it would have been over thrown or Kinciad in racing to catch up to it would have gone to the turf laying out for the ball.
There are passes that Allen misses that warrant criticism like the deep ball to Diggs. But throwing shade at Allen over the pass to Kincaid is an example of Allen Derangement Syndrome.
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9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Clearly not. Kincaid had his man beat by several steps and he had to slow down to catch the ball allowing the DB to catch up. It wasn't a massive underthrow, but it definitely was just enough to prevent the TD.
Kincaid open by several steps
Kincaid has to slow down and turn his body for the ball
Kincaid makes the catch within tackle distance of the DB
I appreciate the desire to argue everything I say is wrong, but I'm not even going to entertain it here. If you can't see the difference in what happened vs what wouldve happened if the ball had an arc to to 30 yard line instead of the 33, that's on you.see above.
It is unreasonable to claim that Allen under threw Kincaid on that play. The ball was perfectly thrown and your freeze frame pictures do not change that. Watch the throw in real time and see just how smooth it is.
As an aside in picture #1 Kincaid is open at the 41 yard line (near the hash) and the clock reads 13:41. The 2nd & 3rd pictures show Kincaid catching the ball in stride at the 34 yard line about a yard further from the hash and the clock reads 13:40. That's about 8 yards traveled in less then a second. Hardly slowing down.
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13 hours ago, uticaclub said:
I couldn't agree more. We were in a tough spot with the salary cap, but there was no help for Allen at the start of the season.
Who thought it was a good idea to bring in Harty & Sherfield?
Good question. My guess is that McD/Bean were hoping to replicate the success they had bringing in Brown & Beasley in 2019. Obviously they missed.
I don't know if we could have signed D Hopp with our CAP restrictions. My guess is that if we signed D Hop we wouldn't have been able to sign Floyd and Floyd has been a difference maker on the D. But these are the tough choices that a GM/Coach must make and an offensive minded coach would have signed D Hop and the defensive minded coach Floyd. The Bengals let two very good safeties go in order to put more FA money into their O line. That's how an offensive minded coach with an elite QB thinks.
For the record, and given the performance of both Floyd & D Hop (68 catches for 1011 yrds & 6 TD's) Hopkins would have been the better signing. Can you imagine his numbers with Allen throwing the ball and not the collection of misfits in TN?
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6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
Might be a lot of reasons to get rid of or keep McD, playing Peterman for a horrible half 5 years ago isn't one of them. (& Beane squires players he doesn't do cuts or name starters that's the coaches so way off base to put this on him then or now). It's an odd time to raise this complaint so far removed & w/ a huge game coming up this Sunday. Let's get through this season 1st then we can discuss firing the coach. & Nathan Peterman will not be high on his list of faults (unlike 13 seconds).
I agree with you if this was a stand alone event. But the mishandling of Allen's rookie year and the surreal trust in Peterman speak to a bigger problem with McD and offense in general and QB's in particular. Again, my main reason for wanting to move on from McD is that when a franchise has an elite, generational talent at QB you will better exploit this good fortune with an offensive minded coach who surrounds that QB with the best possible offensive talent.
For the record I would love to be proven wrong here as I don't see McD being replaced anytime soon. But all the evidence I see in today's NFL supports my concerns of McD.
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7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
I remember we started Dennis Shaw the year we drafted him and put him behind a crap OL. Shaw never developed into the QB we hoped he would be and lasted three years as a starter before finishing his sad career as a backup. Some said we ruined his poise and confidence his rookie year and he never got it back.
I don't think starting Peterman was about Peterman at all. I think it was about either McDermott's and/or Daboll's philosophy on how to effectively develop a young, talented - but raw - Josh Allen. I think they wanted Allen to spend more time with the coaches on the practice field and in the film room before they lined him up under center under the bright lights of game day.
That's fair but in the end Allen was thrown to the wolves in week 2 without having taken very many 1st team reps in training camp and the preseason. Even worse he was thrown into the fire with an offense that had been dismantled by management in the off season. The reality is that McD & Bean's best laid plans went up in smoke when Peterman could not generate a single 1st down after NINE straight possessions.
The fact remains that a complete misjudgment by McD & Bean about Peterman AND MaCaran ruined any chance that their reasonable plan for Allen would work. And for some of us this can be directly attributed to the fact that the Bills management & coaching embraces a defense first philosophy.
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1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
At this point who cares.
Asking about Peterman is like asking why the Bills drafted a TE Tony Hunter with their first 1st round pick instead of Jim Kelly, who they took with their second pick. Who cares, it worked out.
I disagree. Looking at how McD & Bean handled Allen his rookie year is an insight into how the Bills have handled him and the offense over the last 6 seasons. My and other peoples arguments about why we need to move on from McD have been twofold:
* As a defensive coach McD will commit more resources to the defense then to the offense. And he will always be more comfortable with defensive players and schemes then offensive players and schemes starting with the QB.
* Both Bean & McD are much less effective at judging offensive talent then they are defensive talent.
I truly hope I'm wrong and McD/Bean can find a resolution to this quandary. But until we make a Super Bowl with the current coaching/management group I remain skeptical. The idea that teams with elite caliber QB's should have offense minded coaching is compelling to me.
See yourself out Allen haters!!!!
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* The refs missed as blatant a PI as you will see near the goal line on the Bills first drive. If called it's first and goal at the 2, no INT and we go up 7 - 0.
* IMO and I think the analysts will agree is that Davis was the cause of the 1st INT. He had body leverage on that DB and Allen put the pass low where Davis should have gone down and caught it for the TD. Instead Davis turned his back to Allen and breaks inside after Allen has thrown the ball.
* The two bad throws by Allen doing the first 3 quarters was the 2nd INT (thought Davis was again near the play) and missing Diggs on the long shot that would have been a walk in TD. That is hardly the reason we were losing after 3 quarters.
* Cook dropped a perfectly thrown Allen pass that should have tied the game up right before half.
* The Allen throw to the RB that as stopped at the one was a sold throw and a great play made by the defender. Watch a replay and you will see we had only ,two receivers in the end zone. Should Allen have waited a second until the RB was IN the end zone? Maybe but a sack would have been just as bad.
* Sorry but Allen's lost fumble after getting sacked was simply the inevitable result of allowing DT's free runs right up the gut. Torrense has really struggled the last couple of games and played terrible tonight.