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10 hours ago, RiotAct said:
isn’t the MVP voting only for the regular season?
Yes it is. But if I'm a voter and twice I've awarded Jackson the MVP for his regular season play only to see him flame out in the playoffs that same season I'm going to think long and hard before giving him a 3rd MVP until he shows that it translates to his post season success.
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26 minutes ago, BananaB said:
I laugh at when people bring up Burrow. So Bengals could win and Denver lose and people think he should be in the conversation, but if he wins and Denver wins he didn’t do enough. Makes total sense 😂.
Hell if Miami wins against a Jet's team running for the bus harder then a hippo runs for water, the Bengals don't get in.
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5 minutes ago, wjag said:
I’ve watched that TD pass to coleman about a dozen times. Josh was so lucky that was not intercepted. Listen to the broadcast. You can here Romo say “oh no” just before Coleman snags it. The Jets player missed it by inches. Also you can see Johnson jumping for it. Ty probably had a better chance of catching it. But if that gets tipped it could have gone anywhere. Luck favors the brave in this case.
IMO there was no chance that the Jet's player would intercept that ball. Or to put it differently if Coleman isn't there that ball sails over the Jets players hand and is caught by Johnson for the TD.
Also don't forget that Allen hand signaled Coleman to that spot in the end zone. Earlier Coleman had signaled to Allen to get the ball higher on a similar play. Allen got the ball higher to Coleman who was exactly where Allen wanted him to be be. The evidence is overwhelming that this TD had nothing to do with luck.
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Just now, Mikie2times said:
I'm just looking at results based on different levels of performance. I didn't form any conclusions. You will see a consistent decline in wins and losses based on QBR and very high correlations between the two. These relationships are strong enough to suggest what your saying isn't accurate.
Have at it. But if analytics is working then it must show FUTURE outcomes. Describing the past is not very important.
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Absolutely I want them to win. Of course don't put starters at risk to get the win but keeping NE from the #1 draft spot is hardly a reason not to want the Bills to get a record number of wins in a regular season.
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2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
What is overreaching?
Rank ordering QB impact on wins/losses using analytics. Unlike Baseball there are not enough data points and the data is to subjective/variable to provide much insight.
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Not great but I have the feeling that this playoff season we will see the best Bills D in the Allen era.
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Hopefully even though this did not appear on the stat sheet as a completion, the voters take a hard look at this play:
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I have a lot of experience in data analysis and football is not a good place to apply it. Sure, you can get some insight but for something like this it's a significant overreach. After all how do you factor this into the calculations:
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14 hours ago, finn said:
I did take a second. Look, he's our hero, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not human with human flaws, nor does it mean that as an admirer I need to admire everything he does and says. Of course his teammates support his goal. I would, too, out of respect and admiration for him, not necessarily because it's a noble goal. Yes, maybe the streak means something to him that I know nothing about--a promise to his grandmother or something--but I suspect it's an ego thing. It's fine: trivial, not a big deal, and very easy to shrug off, even be fond of, maybe. But I am mildly surprised that Superman is human.
I'm not sure I've ever read anything this passive/aggressive before in my life. In one paragraph you manage to throw shade and love at Allen more then a dozen times. Damn, that's impressive.
12 hours ago, JohnNord said:
I’ve seen a few people compare the situation to 2020 where Buffalo was firmly at #2 with nothing to play for. Josh played an entire half then.
But that was three posts seasons ago. If you listened to the press conference McDermott stressed that it would be short. I think he’s playing maybe one series at most.
Allen was just as important to the Bills success in 2020 as he is today. Do you think the back-up QB beats Indy in the wildcard round that year? I don't.
In 2020 it was conventional wisdom to play your HEALTHY starters for about a half in these types of games.
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52 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:
You must have missed the Kelly era where this situation was common.
First of all they typically dress 8 offensive lineman so not all of them can rest. They might dress 9 for this game. A few starters will on the OL will get a lot of plays.
Marv gave the offensive starters one series - often it was 3 plays but sometimes enough plays to drive for a score. After that Kelly, Thurman, Reed and anyone nursing an injury was out. Having Reich made it easier to play with backups because he was always well prepared and was very capable.
I suspect McD will do the same.
We will see mostly backups right away.
Yep and I remember they would often leave the starting O line in for the first series with the back-up QB. Then they also would take a seat.
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Allen and the starting Bills offense (healthy players only) should play one to two series (a total of 10 - 15 mostly scripted plays) which would match what they do in one of the preseason games. It's important for an offense to stay sharp on it's timing. There is also a real benefit to the starters of practicing for a purpose the entire week. Keeping the practice routine constant is real important at this time of the year.
Of course anyone dinged up doesn't play. There are a lot of HOF and soon to be HOF coaches that believed in playing their starters even longer then this in end of the season "meaningless" games. They would argue that the risk of suffering negative effects from playing the starters is not as great as the risk of not playing them.
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1 hour ago, stevewin said:
Posted it earlier in this thread - FYI this is the list of voters this year
Emmanuel Acho, FS1
Greg Auman, Fox Sports
Howard Balzer, PHNX radio
Jarrett Bell, USA Today
Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Tom Brady, Fox Sports
Tedy Bruschi, ESPN
Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston
Charles Davis, CBS Sports
Nate Davis, USA Today
Howard Deneroff, Westwood One
Tony Dungy, NBC Sports
Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports
Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports
Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk
Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia
Rich Gannon, SiriusXM
Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports
Lindsay Jones, The Ringer
Mike Jones, The Athletic
Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network
Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com
Mina Kimes, ESPN
Peter King, NBC Sports
Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM
Jeff Legwold, ESPN
Jim Miller, SiriusXM
Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus
Bruce Murray, SiriusXM
Gary Myers, NFL author
Laura Okmin, Fox Sports
Dan Orlovsky, ESPN
Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM
Dan Pompei, The Athletic
Nora Princiotti, The Ringer
Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today
Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports
Dianna Russini, The Athletic
Mike Sando, The Athletic
Aaron Schatz, FTN Network
Adam Schein, CBS Sports
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Chris Simms, NBC Sports
Armando Salguero, Outkick.com
Mike Tirico, NBC Sports
Ben Volin, Boston Globe
Charean Williams, Pro Football TalkI'm to lazy to look it up but I would be curious as to their preseason predictions on where the Bills & Ravens would finish this season.
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1 minute ago, Augie said:
I’m hesitant about teams who are peaking late. They are dangerous. I like to be one of those teams, but we need some magic on defense.
Given who they've beaten and how they beat them I'm not sure I would call their 4 game streak "peaking". It's a nice win streak and it's kept them alive for the playoffs but it's not like they beat the Vikings, Ravens and Chargers in this run. To me the Bengals are an average team that has beaten three bad teams and one average team in their 4 game winning streak.
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1 minute ago, L Ron Burgundy said:
That last playoff game has us all paranoid. And nothing will change it short of Burrow not playing.
Agree but IMO the results of that last playoff game are the icing on the cake why I think this team will come out with their hair on fire against the Bengals.
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3 hours ago, Eastport bills said:
Bengals are a dangerous team right now. They’re a long shot because they crapped all over themselves in September. With Burrow, Brown, Chase, Higgins and Gesicki, they can beat anyone. Too bad the lowly Dolphins play the Jets, who have checked out mentally. No sympathy for Cinci though.
I don't get the fear of the Bengal's. If the game was in great weather conditions here in Cincinnati it would likely be a shootout and it would be a tough game for sure. But the game is in OP and the weather at best will be poor (windy & cold).
Also check out who the Bengal's have beaten in the last 4 games: Cowboys, Titans, Browns & Broncos. Two of the teams had back-up QB's, one had a TO machine at QB and the other had a rookie.
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53 minutes ago, Another Fan said:
Maybe I’m off but I want to say that’s the first time since the early 90s?
At any rate nothing to sneeze at and an accomplishment
I thought I heard on the TV yesterday that it was the first home undefeated season since 1990?
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7 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:
But then he hopped into the stands, thereby jeopardizing his good health.
I disagree here. When Philips jumped into the stand the only ones in danger of getting hurt where the fans in the line of his jump and the stadium infrastructure.
As an aside in the video where the D is celebrating the INT and Phillips does the Lambo leap check out the look on the fans face right before Phillips lands.
50 minutes ago, Pokebball said:That TD pass to Coleman...was the pass to Coleman or Johnson?
I believe both guys saw Allen's hand signal and went to the place Allen wanted them to go. That pass would have been a great throw to either guy as each of them would have caught it if the other wasn't there.
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I picked the Bengals as the 1st round opponent I most want to see and here's the reasons:
* Payton scares me as a coach with a lot of playoff experience and the Broncos have a good running game.
* I don't like the idea of having to beat a team THREE times in one season which is what we would need if the Dolphins make it.
* The injury to the starting Bengal's RB (high ankle sprain) might seriously diminish an already weak running game. The weather is likely to make putting up huge numbers through the air difficult. Cincy has a bad D which should allow the Bills O to score a lot of points and control the clock as well.
* Finally beating the Bengal's would be the most satisfying win against potential wildcard opponents. I also think Cincy is the team the Bills are most likely to bring their A game against and not look past to Baltimore.
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37 minutes ago, Cubanmist said:
I think it’s obvious that Sean did not want Cole Bishop but once again reached just as he did with Elam. I think Sean wanted McDuffie and that safety that went before Bishop…name escapes me. I think they also wanted Breece Hall instead of Cook.
And you know this how?
McD must be fairly happy with Bishop or he wouldn't still be getting starts.
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Just now, dorquemada said:
He needs playing time to get better. Not sure he'll ever reach what we was told was his potential but to give up on him after playing parts of a few games his rookie season is silly.
It's more then silly it's dumb. Bishop is getting significant playing time which tells me he's doing very well in practice. McD is not one to go lightly with his DB's. I also suspect that on game tape, Bishop is doing better then many of us realize given that McD is sticking with him. My own admittedly less then expert eyes sees him missing some stuff but also making some nice plays to.
The one thing I have noticed is that he's fast and sticks his nose in the hole. I believe he will be a very good starting safety for the Bills for years to come. His comp as far as rookie season experience is Bernard & Williams.
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14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
It IS his fault he has failed 4 times with the ball in his hands under 2 minutes to go to win the game and failed tho.
Also, while Burrow hasn't turned over the ball much this season the TO's he's had have been very damaging. Three of his TO's (1 INT, 2 Fum) have been returned for TD's. Burrow's fumble TD's led directly to losing two critical games - KC & Pittsburgh - both decided by less then the TD. To me you must look inside the stats if stats are a big part of your MVP decision.
2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:He had a bad drive. The defense sucked all 2nd half. That game was not on Lamar.
The Ravens last 3 drives that game involved 2 punts and then a failure to score at the end when trailing. That is on Jackson.
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Just now, Big Turk said:
Part of the reason they have 8 losses and need a lot of help to get in is because Burrow has had the ball in his hand multiple times late in games with under 2 minutes to go to take the lead and has failed on 4 of them. MVP isn't just a great stat award, it's how do you perform when your team needs it most, and Burrow has not gotten it done too many times in that regard, which is a big reason they will likely not make the playoffs. He stuffs the stat sheet, but hasn't gotten it done when he needs it.
And while Burrow is one of the top 5 elite QB's in the NFL his stats are inflated by his bad defense. He has spent a lot more time then Allen throwing against prevent defenses desperately trying to keep the Bengals in a game.
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10 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
This was hilarious, but it also reminded me how many risky throws Allen made running to his right & trying to heave it up to someone deep. He really can't be doing that in the playoffs against good teams. We got lucky none of those were picked.
I have to say I don't remember a single pass today that should have been intercepted. And Allen was unlucky that Coleman dropped one of those passes that hit him in both hands 55 yards downfield.
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Patriots Game Week Thread
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Well the punter is probably the only sure thing.