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7 minutes ago, zow2 said:
Gotta admit, on that pick six my first thought was that was a Josh Allen special. Just a dumb decision to throw it recklessly downfield when you didn’t need to.
I think you have to go back to Allen's rookie year for the ONLY pick six he's ever thrown.
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4 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:
Calling it now. Browns vs Bills for AFC Championship. The I-90 Blue Collar Battle!
The way the Browns are playing defense I'll channel Lee Corso: "Not so fast my friend"!
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Damn, these two pass defenses sure could use 65 MPH winds and two feet of snow!
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I found this while organizing my bookmarks today. What an incredible bit of commentary form the very best NFL experts. Check out how low a dozen of these folks have Allen. IMO this is why there still is an undercurrent of hostility towards Allen. So many of these people really went out on the ledge to trash Allen before he even threw his first NFL pass.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons
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7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
That's a great injury report for early January. Both Knox & Dawkins back at full practice.
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23 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Source?
Chicken Little
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Say what you will about Belichick but between him and Shula the AFL East/AFC East has had some damn fine coaching over the years.
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I'm hearing a lot about how the bad weather will be the great equalizer. But that bit of conventional wisdom applies more to high school & college football where the discrepancy in talent between two teams can be enormous. But in the NFL playoffs how big is the difference in talent between the eventual SB champ and the worst PLAYOFF team?
BOTH teams passing games will be impacted by the weather. How do we know that considering all that Allen brings to the table compared to Rudolf that the bad weather might actually favor the Bills passing game? Will the weathers impact on the Steeler's passing game allow McD to be much more aggressive with the run blitzes to shut the Pittsburgh rushing attack down? These conditions might actually hurt the Steelers as much or more then the Bills. Think about Pitt spending half the game setting up that play action strike to Pickens that in the past went 70 yards for a TD only to see the ball flutter into the ground before it reaches it's target.
When a loaded Ohio State plays a bad Northwestern team awful weather can be a great equalizer and turn a 40 point Buckeye win into a 10 point win. But I just don't see it having a big impact in the NFL. BOTH teams will be negatively affected.
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8 hours ago, uninja said:
how do you “manipulate” a coin toss?Call "heads I win, tails you lose".
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In a worst case white out situation the Bills could opt to run Allen to the right, up the middle and to the left on almost every play. The conditions would make everyone move slower and the risk from injury even if Allen carried the ball 30 times would be significantly lowered.
I also remember growing up in Western NY and getting so excited when the forecast would all for a snowmegedon. I also remember that more often then not I would be bitterly disappointed when the snow storm failed to appear.
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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:
There are many moving parts to a game to be black and white to who cost us points.
Yes Allen fumbled on the strip sack but he wasn't also pressured immediately on a whiff.
You need complete and full context to know what the situation was on most plays. It's hard to be just black and white on every result.
Of course there are multiple moving parts that complicate assigning blame. I was responding to a post in which it was being conclusively stated that Allen cost the Bills 3 points on that play.
Are you saying that the blocking on that play was acceptable? Really? And yes it was essentially instant pressure on Allen up the middle. So IMO the correct context on that play is that Allen was pressured immediately up the middle and as he tried to get away from that pressure the ball was stolen from him.
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1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:
If you protect the football it's very rare for you to turn it over. Holding onto the ball with 1 hand while getting sacked is not protecting the football. Throwing to nobody in the end zone for a pick is not protecting the football. Throwing short of the end zone with no timeouts it's just stupid, high school kids know not to do that
Instant pressure on a QB, either from around the end into his blind side or up the middle, often leads to fumbles in college & pro football.
Allen was throwing to where he thought Davis would be to beat a zero blitz. It's disingenuous to claim he was throwing to nobody.
Over the years I have seen many QBs throw the ball to the one yard line at the end of a game or half with no TO's. More often then not, the guy gets into the end zone. In this case the Dolphin defenders made a great play - they do get paid to. And if the flag had been thrown and we had an untimed down from the 1 yard line do you think we would have gone for it or kicked the FG? My sense is we would have gone for it meaning that scoring a TD and not kicking the FG was the goal at that point on that drive.
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52 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
This is football, not tiddlywinks. I'm fine with the hit given the situation. I wouldn't want them getting a flag if that was our D making the stop.
As for Josh, that cost us at least 3 points. Also the first INT to nobody in the end zone was another 3. Also the sack fumble was possibly another 3. That's 9 points Josh alone cost us. Yes he also scored some points but we won't have the luxury to give up 9 points to the good teams in the playoffs
Allen "alone" cost us 3 points on the strip sack? Doesn't Torrense and maybe Morse get an assist there? Or is it real rare when a great DT gets into the backfield instantly and hits the QB a fumble occurs?
And is Cook responsible for costing us 7 points when he dropped a perfectly thrown pass right before the Johnson throw?
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12 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:
The news today on the Bills injury front certainly isn't promising, but I still think that they should be fine against the Steelers without any of these guys.
Certainly Douglass and Dodson will hurt the most but need all hands on deck next week and healthy especially if it's the Chiefs.
McD said the injuries were "day to day" and not "week to week". This means there's a chance one or more of these guys will play Sunday and there's a very good chance they'll play the following week if the Bills win.
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2 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:
The times he's gotten hurt was when he was in the pocket - getting sacked and landed on by 400 lb fatties, hitting is hand/elbow on helmets when throwing. So, since your not a Bills fan, and clearly a troll, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Not to mention, and I'm knocking on any wood I can find, that Allen hasn't missed a game since his rookie season.
I didn't know this and IMO it's an amazing stat:
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17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Should we in your opinion take seriously comments from guys that have played the position in the NFL?
Yes you should. But it's been my experience that when it comes to Allen the comments from guys who played in the NFL and other guys who coached in the NFL is all over the place. I can find you a guy who says the INT is on Davis, another who says it's on Allen and another who says it wasn't on either and should be filed under s##t happens. So who am I supposed to believe?
Maybe what this comes down to is that I choose to put more value on the final result of how a guy played over the course of the entire game then I do over a couple of bad or good plays. Overall production and wins & losses matter a lot more to me then focusing on a couple of bad plays.
I'll give you an example of what I consider over the top criticism of Allen. After the Eagles game there were some on 2BD who just wouldn't let up about Allen's ONE INT and the missed communication with Davis in OT. They claimed that those two plays were the reason the Bills lost and demonstrated real limitations and concerns with Allen's play. I watched that same game and saw a QB who played great, put the team on his back again and was the guy LEAST responsible for the loss. If that is being overly sensitive about criticism of Allen then so be it.
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23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
The issue is you're hypersensitive to any Allen criticisms.
He's one of the best players in the league. He is playing like a first ballet Hall of Famer. He makes a lot of mistakes but makes more greater plays....its the Josh experience.
But he should be criticized when he doesn't play well like every player.
Fair enough. But isn't the point of a Bills message board to argue over things that we disagree on?
And I've repeatedly agreed that Allen makes a lot of mistakes. I bet during the game I get as mad at Allen as most people do after one of his dumb plays.
But in football I practice what I've learned works for me in real life. It was a simple concept I took from Corporate training by a guy named Steven Covey (fun fact his grandson is the Eagles punt returner) decades ago involving keeping an "emotional bank account". The idea is straightforward, you put up with a lot more from people who are regularly depositing positive stuff in your emotional bank account then taking withdrawals. This has really worked for me with football. Allen's mistakes definitely are making big time withdrawals from my emotional bank account. But his great play and his accomplishments as the Bills QB from 2020 to now represent an avalanche of deposits into my emotional bank account.
For me these deposits overwhelm the withdrawals. So I won't apologize for being an Allen fan boy.
IMO Allen's style of play which leads to excessive TO's is in his football DNA and except for tweaking things here and there this is the best Allen we can expect. And IMO this version of Allen is elite and more then good enough to lead Buffalo to a SB win. One of my points has been that the Bills need to recognize what they have in Allen and move their priority from the D to the O. And in building their O make sure it involves surrounding Allen with the type of players that will be most comfortable and effective working within his unique skill set.
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Just now, JayBaller10 said:
I don’t dwell on anything, sir. I try to discuss what happened on debated plays, but if it’s not “everyone else’s fault but Josh” it starts the back and forth between you and the “hatred” accusers.
The big picture of what Allen has brought to the Bills? Listen, I was a fan during the drought years, I probably missed less than 5 games, so I know the luxury we have at the QB position. It’s the only reason the Bills are relevant. I’m not hypercritical of that talent, but I can objectively state when he makes a bad decision/play, without putting the blame on everyone else. Are others to blame on plays where he does something boneheaded? Sure, sometimes. But not all the time. It’s you and others like you who think he can do no wrong and if he does wrong, it’s because someone else is at fault, be it the coordinator or his teammates. That’s the really weird part of the Allen discussion. The “Allen worship” as you state.
But here you are calling people who disagree with you "haters" and "Allen worshipers". I can only speak for myself when I say I don't hate you or any of the group that IMO is way to hostile to Allen. It just rubs me the wrong way when you guys throw so much shade at Allen. And I was a lurker on 2BD when the Bills drafted Allen in 2018 and I read the posts of a lot of you guys. And sorry but the venom thrown at Allen on draft night and in the months after was over the top and IMO has leaked into these later seasons.
And like you I lived through the drought years with terrible QBing but I also lived through the mostly terrible QBing of the late 1960's - late 1980's. With the exception of a couple of good but not great seasons from Ferguson. Before Allen arrived the Bills had great QBing for 6 (Kelly, 88 - 93) of 50 years. So maybe I just appreciate how good we have it with Allen today. I don't want to make the same mistake in my older years as a Bills fan with Allen that I made as a younger fan who used to chant for Garry Marangi over Joe Ferguson. And Fergy wasn't in the same zip code of being as good as Allen.
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8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Thats the part that’s really weird to me. Fans would rather trash the rest of the team and make up how bad the supporting cast is then ever criticize our highest paid player.
Allen himself will say he played really bad in the first half and hurt the team. Not sure why so fans can’t say the same.
This is typical of the passive aggressive stuff that is thrown at Allen all the time. IMO it's weak as hell:
* "our highest paid player". I love this one. I guess because the Bills are paying a lot of money to their elite franchise QB he should get more criticism. What I see from a contract standpoint is that Allen is underpaid relatve to his production and the teams results on the field. I believe that Murry, Herbert & Watson all make more money then Allen.
* "Allen himself will say he played really bad". One of the great things about Allen is he takes responsibility and never throws a team mate or coach under the bus. I love that he's hard on himself. What I wonder is why some fans insist on being as hard on Allen as he is. It makes me think they never lived through the purgatory years where bad QBing was the norm for 20 years.
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1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:
See, I’m not sure this is possible on this message board or any other. If every single poster could objectively discuss Josh Allen mistakes, there wouldn’t be the “hater” comments and red disagree Xs that dot every comment in which Allen is assessed blame.
Just reading some of the replies about the INTs in this game… one poster said about the first INT that Allen “was looking Gabe’s way the entire time,” I mean that’s just factually wrong but was mentioned as a way to protect Allen’s decision making. Certain players are not allowed to be critiqued without derision. It’s strange to me, but it is what it is.
But the fact is that you and some others do not "objectively discuss Josh Allen mistakes" you dwell on them and refuse to consider that other factors were involved. You are hyper critical of Allen even in situations where there can be reasonable disagreement about what happened on a play. Then when you get push back by those of us who are looking at the big picture of what Allen has brought to the Bills you cry "homerism" or accuse us of "Allen worship".
So cry me a river with your complaint that what you guys are doing is objectively criticizing Allen. We read your damn posts and that is decidedly NOT what you people are doing.
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5 hours ago, Italian Bills said:
We got the playoffs, we got the second seed, we got the home field advantage, we got the seventh seed team, but we still keep on worry very much, too much !
I mean, not that it would be a cake walk, but damn, we play at home, we have Josh Allen and they have Mason Rudolph, they are without their best player TJ WATT, but we still here in panic mode.
I really dunno: do you think, honestly, that the Chiefs fans, 49ers fans, Ravens fans, Eagles fans, etc, would they feel so worried like us for playing the TJ WATTless Steelers at home? I don’t think so.
So tell me, where start all this worry, all this fear about the sunday game ? Is that truly justified ?
I suspect that it is only a vocal minority of "fans" and a smattering of trolls on 2BD who are like what you describe. The vast majority are thrilled to have Allen at QB and to have come back and won the AFC East. They are also quietly confident that the Bills will get it done this Sunday.
19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:The Steelers are going to try and run it all day Sunday and have the tools to do it. The D has to continue its excellent recent play.
If the wind is as bad as they say the Bills will be able to take a lot more chances with run defense blitzing by their LB's & Safeties. This will make it very hard for the Steeler's to just run the ball down the Bills throat. On the other hand Allen has shown repeatedly that he can handle wind reasonably well and almost certainty better then Rudolph will be able to.
And when all else fails Allen is far more dangerous then Rudolf running the football. And with Watt out the chances of multiple Allen TO's are reduced significantly.
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1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
You do have the option to say - they 0 blitzed and my first read wasn't there.. and i didn't get to the other side of the field... so i threw it away... and took the points.
True but that isn't who Allen is and IMO will never be. And over the course of a season his aggressiveness will lead to far more points on the scoreboard then he leaves on the field.
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9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Pretty much Eisen, Rome and to an extent Cowherd are the only ones that get it. They're not wrapped up in this obsessive lazy TO narrative. Let Nick Wright go on his anti- Bills tour. Bring the disrespect and bulletin board material. Bring it all...
And Greeny.
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On 1/8/2024 at 2:41 PM, UKBillFan said:
I was reading an article on Jacksonville's defeat (posted on the Jaguars at Titans game thread), and two comments were picked up - from their Josh Allen and Pederson.
Allen talked about the difference being that this Jaguars’ team lacked a certain fire, determination and desire. They kept waiting for a spark and “it never got lit.”
Pederson took Allen’s point another step further, pointedly adding: “I think that’s accurate. But the thing is, you can’t sit around and wait for a spark. You got to be the spark right? That’s either me being it, or Josh being it, or Trevor being it or something when that other team catches fire.”
I know I was critical earlier but we all know who is the spark for the Bills in that situation.
Also the Jags/Titans game served to remind Bills fans that actually watch other NFL games that hitting long throws to wide open WR's is not easy and these passes are often missed.
4 hours ago, LarryMadman said:Yup, totally agree.
Another thing most seem to not realize is how Brady and Allen, the whole offense really are doing the best they can with Dorseys playbook. I really believe they are hamstrung by Dorseys bad play designs and it totally affects their ability. Unlike other teams play designs our offense play designs look so cumbersome, boring, inefficient and flat difficult to be successful at. I believe Josh has to be superhuman for Dorseys play designs to work. I don't think people get that.
This is a great point. You can't just install a whole new offense during the season. We won't get a true read on Brady until next season after he's had the off season and preseason to implement his offense.
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Nice to see Motor get to the end zone in style. Great run.