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Chase Claypool needs to be added to the poll...
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You are seeing thing which are not there imo. Claypool signing means that we needed another camp body.
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3 minutes ago, Logic said:
Is adding like 47 bottom-of-the-barrel WRs in free agency the same as adding one or two good ones?
Asking for a friend...Tell your friend that good ones are not available, and definitely not for vet min.
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Week after the draft, after watching Keon, listening to him and reading about him all I can think of is Josh scramble play where he gets close to the sideline and unleashes 30-40 yard bomb to Keon who is "covered" but doesn't care and catches the damn ball for huge gain.
Everything won't be perfect but these plays will make up for it.
Season can't start soon enough!
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Hmm. It's not showing that now for me. Possibly a glitch yesterday? He is close though because Edwards does count at $2.8m, so Hollins at $2.6m is only just the wrong side of the line.
Wasn't a glitch. Hollins is no. 671 today, and thus under the line. Yesterday he was no. 670, and therefore over the line - cutoff is 670. So he is really on the edge, and I have no idea when will be real line actually drawn (and I also guess OTC doesn't necessarily have complete and correct data).
Anyway, it seems that it might be really close.
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4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
Intersting ,,, thought Beane said they were looking to trade UP from 60?
They seemed to entertain the move down …
Both can be true, but then he either wasn't trying to trade up for Bishop or he was thinking about moving down only in case that Bishop was gone.
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On 4/29/2024 at 7:44 PM, GunnerBill said:
The next one was the pick that flummoxed me a bit - Edefuan Ulofoshio (and not just because I can't pronounce it!) The Bills traded out of #144 for a 2025 4th rounder, then they took a linebacker at #160. This is a team that only plays with two linebackers and already has Milano, Bernard, Williams and Spector on the roster and added Nicholas Morrow to be vet insurance in free agency. I don't understand why a 6th linebacker there was a preference. I get that they like him for special teams but both Morrow and Spector are already good special teamers. Jamari Thrash was still on the board when they traded out and then Malik Washington was still on the board when they Ulofoshio. Do they really feel better about their receiver room than their linebacker depth? I dunno. Oddest pick of the draft IMO. Maybe it is in Beane's contract that he has to pick at least one linebacker every year?
Thanks for your thoughts Gunner, appreciated as always.
It seems pretty obvious that you didn’t like Ulofoshio pick, you were unusually vocal about it in other threads 😊
Two things.
1. As for WRs, you are the one who says Bills have 100 or so players on their board. So maybe Thrash just wasn’t on their board at all and Washington was rated way lower than Ulofoshio. Then they made the right choice. I don’t want them to take flyer on WR just for the sake of taking flyer (or actually I do want, but not at all costs).
2. I have no idea about the player, but if they think he could for example play Matakevich’s role in ST, and be as good as him, that alone makes him a good pick. We need to fill these roles with cheap rookies and not pay $3M a year for ST players and depth pieces at DL. And if he also becomes solid backup LB, even better.
I wanted 2 WRs from this draft just as anybody else. It seems that they felt differently, and apparently it wasn’t their priority. Maybe they really see something in Shorter or Shavers or Hamler we don’t know. I am ready to give them benefit of doubt. Last summer we all thought we are doomed at LB and look how it all changed thanks to Bernard.
And apart from not drafting 2 WRs I really like how they filled the holes. I’d prefer more BPA oriented approach, but at least Beane is really good to match value and need.
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Sort of random observation but today there has been a big shift in OTC data. Mack Hollins, who was previously way below the threshold, is now listed exactly as cutoff player at 670 (I am not sure, but he was listed as something like 710th or so before).
This results in Bills losing 5th round pick for Floyd, and leave us with 4th round for Gabe Davis only.
I know that after Tremaine debacle these unofficial sources need to be taken with a grain of salt, but I still find it interesting.
Hopefully once all is said and done Hollins will fall under the line and we'll get 4th and 5th.
https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks
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13 hours ago, Cash said:
In order of my preference:
- Odell Beckham Jr - His last 2 stops have been highly successful (except for the injuries) as a mercenary receiver. Dude will be an injury risk for the rest of his career I think, but he can still play. And it's hard to go wrong with a guy who likely would've won a Super Bowl MVP if he didn't get hurt. I would have no problem with him mentoring Coleman, also. This is the only guy worth spending the Tre White money on, IMO.
- DJ Chark - I liked him a lot coming into the draft, and he did have some early production in Jacksonville. Size/speed guy who hasn't fully put it together, but also hasn't played with a QB nearly as good as Allen.
- Michael Thomas - His injury history makes Beckham look like Cal Ripken Jr. I don't think he'll ever play a full season again. But he's a guy who has been ELITE, and he showed some real flashes of his old self at times last season. He also disappeared a lot last season, but I'm not sure how much of that was because his relationship with the Saints was completely broken a couple years ago. On a 1 year deal, could he be both healthy and fully bought in?
Gallup was the only other guy that interested me, and according to this thread he's off the market. 1 year, $3 million is about what I'd offer Chark or Thomas. Beckham will ask for (and get) significantly more than that.
No matter what, I'll be super interested to see how the Bills spend the June 1st money. I'll be shocked if they don't sign someone with a decent chunk of it. But they could split it on maybe 2 Gallup-level signings, or put it all towards a bigger Beckham or Leonard Floyd-style signing, maybe with the help of void years. I think who they DON'T sign will be just as telling as who they do.
I agree with your comments re WRs, provided that it won't be for more than $3M.
I disagree with the bolded though. We can't use decent chunk of it, if by "chunk" you mean more than $5M. We will need cap space for signing rookies, 52/53 player, practice squad a keep some space for in season moves. That is total of $8-10M or so.
12 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:That's probably true. But is this a Super Bowl roster?
We had SB roster last 3 years and it didn't help us. Maybe we get lucky this year and win with worse roster (if it is worse).
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There is already a thread about this going.
But it's harder than usual to notice due to many sticked threads, I'll give you that
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28 minutes ago, Process said:
O line is in great shape, we already have more than enough depth
Agreed. And that deserves some attention.
I do remember that after 2022 season a lot of people on this board were vocal about how Beane has neglected OL and how it sucked.
Fast forward 12 months and there is literally not a single word about needing to bolster OL or draft any OL high.
I think Beane deserves a lot of credit for this.
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39 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
I wonder how he’s going to make the roster? The Bills usually carry 9 offensive linemen.
Dawkins
Edwards
McGovern
Torrence
Brown
That is right now the starting five. Then you look at the likely reserves and you have the following 4.
Van Pran
Collins
Van DenmarkAlec Anderson
That takes you to 9 offensive linemen. Unless there is a camp/pre-season injury I think in order to keep Grabel on the 53 they are going to have to carry a 10th offensive linemen which they have done before but isn’t what they usually do.
Overall I would say that if Collins is healthy they will likely have Grabel be on the path to “red shirt” the season.
Every other rookie besides the international pathway prospect who’s gonna have a special PS slot has a space on the roster. So if they gotta “stash” a guy for a year it’s likely going to be Grabel in my opinion.
Last year we had 10 whole season.
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27 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:
Any thoughts on why this guy lasted till the 5th? Strong Center with 2 national championships. Let's face it Georgia really doesn't have many players fly under the radar.
Theory is that he is center only with no positional flexibility.
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4 hours ago, starrymessenger said:
He has a very clear path, like a number of Beane’s picks this year. . Backup slot corner, punt returner, other special team assignments.
Agreed. To me it seems that 7 picks are all but locks to make the roster, Ulofoshio is very close to this status, and Grable has a solid chance. I love it.
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Right now we have
44 offense
36 defense (including White, hi is formally on the roster, so in fact 35)
5 ST
Disparity between offense and defense is interesting.
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13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
A few things I disagree with here:
- I don't see us keeping 5 OT's. The number is always 4. Either Grable beats out Collins or he'll be released and we'll try to get him back on the Practice Squad. As a Late-6th Round Pick and our 8th Draft Pick, he's more likely to be cut than safe. I thought more about total OL, and last year we kept 10. My understanding is that Collins has some RT/G flexibility, and we gave him $1.5M deal fully guaranteed. So right now, he has a good chance to make the roster (sadly).
Everyone after the first 7 picks is essentially a UDFA that really has to earn their spot if in a crowded field (Hardy has the easiest path as they were 1 player thin there when we drafted him).
- I don't see Toohill being released in favor of Jonathan. Jonathan lives on our Practice Squad and gets called up when we need him. While I like Jonathan, I think Toohill is the better player with more experience and production. There's a possibility we keep both, but if it comes down to it - I think it will be Toohill. Agreed, I changed them. But your second sentence is not correct. Last year, he was on 53man roster from start to finish.
- While I don't see us keeping 12 DL like last season, we'll be keeping more than 9. Specifically, I see us keeping 5 DT's (to go along with 5 DE's). DeShawn Williams will be here. Agreed, 10DL / 5 LB makes more sense. I put him in and Morrow out.
- While Milano, Bernard, Williams, and Ulofoshio will be here, I'm not sure both Morrow and Spector will both be here. I think it will be one or the other.
- I don't know if I see us signing a FA CB. I think we'll keep the 5 you listed. Cam Lewis was re-signed in large part for his flexibility to play both Safety and Corner. I think he'll be focusing on Safety. But if we have 2 CB's go down at either Boundary or Nickel, he'll come in there. I guess we'll see. right now we only have Douglas, Benford and Elam as true boundary CBs, and I don't think Beane will be satisfied with that.
Other than that - good stuff!
Thanks for the feedback. My comments above.
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22 hours ago, wppete said:
Hamlin is a goner.
Agreed, and I listed him as cut.
19 hours ago, oldmanfan said:One correction. Haack is punter and might benefit Bass as his holder
Not arguing. I will put him there as an alternate
10 hours ago, Kmart128 said:I think Toohill makes it over Kingsley. And I think Hamlin stays as a backup and Cam Lewis stays at CB/Nickle.
Also think DeShawn Williams makes team over Baylon Spector and Clapp over Anderson
Yeah you are probably right that Toohill is a slight favorite over Jonathan. Disagree about Hamlin, I think there won't be a spot for him.
i also agree that you are probably correct that Williams should make it as 10th DL over one of LBs. But I think they are more likely to keep Spector than Morrow. Same with Anderson/Clapp. They really seem to love Anderson, he was on roster last year, and they never risked to put him on PS even when they needed to make in season moves.
8 hours ago, russ t. nail said:Tyrell Shavers should be on the list for either WR or the other section with Isabella and hamler, yes?
After Cephus signing, I gave up the idea that we will add another relevant FA WR. So I put Hamler there as 6th WR and Shavers to the group of relevant players who will be cut.
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20 hours ago, Logic said:
Who I would've picked instead:
Pick 33: WR Ladd McConkey, Georgia
Pick 60: S Cole Bishop, Utah (same as Bills)
Pick 95: WR Troy Franklin, Oregon
I like this exercise, though I agree with @NewEra that correct way to do it is immediately after each pick, so you don't have extra info.
This is also why I actually have hard time believing you and both posters below. If you wanted to double dip, are you sure that you wouldn't take Franklin at 60? At that time, it seemed like a surprise that he was still there and double dip crowd (me included) would have hard time not to take him.
Anyway, I can't participate fully since I don't follow college football, but what I would do based on my very limited knowledge:
Pick 33: Troy Franklin (I would pick Legette at 32)
Pick 60: Troy Franklin
Pick 95: BPA at CB/S/DL/OL, so probably T.J. Tampa, Jaden Hicks or Brandon Dorlus
18 hours ago, JimBob2232 said:Pick 33: WR Adonai Mitchell
Pick 60: S Cole Bishop
Pick 95: WR Troy Franklin
8 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:Pick 33: WR Ladd McConkey, Georgia
Pick 60: S Cole Bishop, Utah
Pick 95: WR Troy Franklin, Oregon
See above, are you guys sure you wouldn't actually pick Franklin in the 2nd?
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2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:
But was he a better pick than McConkey, Mitchell, Worthey or Legette?
Opinion, yes but most of what I saw pre draft had all of them ranked higher. No one on this board was calling for Coleman and it seems the character thing came into serious play. Maybe in Mitchell’s case that is cool but the nice guy isn’t necessarily the best guy.
Their rankings were very close.
Consensus big board (source https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024)
28. Mitchell
32. Worthy
33. McConkey
37. Coleman
42. Legette
Daniel Jeremiah (my understanding is that he is one of the most respected evaluators)
27. Mitchell
30. McConkey
31. Worthy
42. Coleman
49. Legette
Mel Kiper (same)
18. Worthy
32. Legette
33. Coleman
36. Mitchell
37. McConkey
So yeah some of them were ranked a little higher but it is very close. This board liked Coleman much much less than consensus and some relevant talking heads.
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@SDS Hardy and Grable had their threads going already...
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24 minutes ago, Logic said:
Trading up for one of the big three WRs -- which Beane said he didn't try to do -- would've done it.
Failing that, as I said, collecting quantity instead of quality might've accomplished that. Giving greater priority to surrounding Allen with multiple skillsets at wide receiver.
When I look at the Bills' WR corps as it stands right now, it's hard not to feel like it's one of the least inspiring groups in the league.Ok, but then your original statement still doesn't make any sense to me, since trading up for big 3 was completely unrealistic. We had no chance. We would have to give up crazy amount of draft capital to trade with Falcons and they'd probably still refuse since they wanted Penix.
So I think your statement was unrealistic and very unfair to Beane.
As for the rest, I agree that we definitely could have tried other way and draft 2 WRs in early rounds. I'd probably tried that too. But it is not that simple. And it is not over. We have 4 months until the season starts; I am pretty sure there will be a WR on the roster who isn't in the building now.
I think most of the frustration doesn't come from the absence of double dip, but from the fact that WR drafted was Coleman. I get that people don't like him. I guess that we just have to wait and see now.
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2 hours ago, Logic said:
Let's just hope he models his game after 2015 Von Miller not 2023
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12 minutes ago, Logic said:
Ho-hum. Nobody in this class makes me stand up and say "that guy's really gonna help the Bills get over the hump and win a title".
This is such a confusing statement to me.
Which player drafted 28 and later would make you stand up and say that?
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Our draft is over, so here is my first look at 2024 roster. I included 9 rookies, I guess all of them have a good chance. I know a lot will change; this is just a projection for fun/discussion.
51 players already on the roster. I am pretty sure we add veteran WR through FA or trade, and I also think we will sign some cheap vet CB. I listed some other relevant players who did not make it. Edit: After Cephus signing I don't expect FA WR soon, so I put Hamler in.
What do you guys think? Rookies are in green.
Offense (25)
QB: Allen, Trubisky (2)
OT: Dawkins, Brown, Van Demark, Collins, Grable (5)
IOL: McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Van Pran, Anderson (5)
WR: Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Hollins, Shorter, Hamler (6)
TE: Kincaid, Knox, Morris, Gilliam (4)
RB: Cook, Davis, Johnson (3)
Not included – Doyle, Clapp, Clayton, Shorter, Isabella, Cephus
Defense (25)
DE: Miller, Rousseau, Epenesa, Solomon, Toohill (5)
DT: Oliver, Jones, Carter, Johnson, Williams (5)
LB: Milano, Bernard, Williams, Ulofoshio, Spector (5)
CB: Douglas, Benford, Elam, Johnson, Hardy, FA (6)
S: Bishop, Edwards, Rapp, Lewis (4)
Not included – Jonathan, Ankou, Morrow, Hamlin, Ingram
ST: Bass, Martin/Haack, Ferguson (3)
Edited: Hamler, Williams, Toohill in, Morrow, Jonathan out
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Did we do enough at wide receiver?
in The Stadium Wall
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I think we didn't, even though I feel much better about our WR room than average TBD poster.
But I'd like to remind everybody that this time last year we had the same conversation about OL and RT in particular, when many thought Beane should've brought serious competition for Brown who was considered a bust. And this suddenly became a non issue after game 4 or so.