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Unfortunately, he was well before my time. But yes, I am going to research him now! What did he do to Buffalo?

In all the relevant cases I cited, those players acted childishly, in order to get cut. They don't owe us loyalty after their contract expires, but they need to play it out when they have commited. They need to play for the team that drafted them. And as I mentioned above, players didn't switch teams in the 80's like they do now. They stuck with their teams. Now it is different. He was a little, and maybe he was behind the times in the 90's and 2000's due to his age, but he is also a HOF owner who kept the Bills in Buffalo when most others wouldn't have. He made sure they stayed in Biffalo when he passed. He also lent money to Al Davis when Raiders were in danger of folding in the 60's. He met Jim Kelly's demands in 1986 and signed him to a humongous (at the time) $4.5 million per year contract. He is a great man and has my respect. I'd rather have the Bills in Buffalo than no team at all.

Agreed. Nowadays, as you know, there is a set payscale for rookies. But in those days, you played for the team that drafted you, even if they stiffed you on the contract. Or you held out. That is how it worked back then. Others teams had the chance to draft Anderson, whom we selected in the 7th round, but they chose not. He at least owed it to play for the Bills for his first contract and be grateful he got to play in the NFL. His sandbagging was immoral and like a slap in the face to us. You accept less money because you have morals. I did. It is costing me thousands of dollars on car insurance. But I play by the rules. He could have made us a great team for the rest of the 80's and beyond. I will never forgive him. It seems like in the late 70's and 80's, everyone was blowing off the Bills (Cousineau, Kelly, Cribbs, Bell, Knox, Smerlas, McKenzie, Harmon, Burkett, etc.). Anderson is the perfect example. That is why he in number one on my list. See my post a little above about him, as well as Mickey's, which I posted as well. Back in those days, people were loyal. People did things the right way. Anderson owed loyalty to us, since we drated him. He played games and forced us to cut him. He was greedy and let money motivate him. I have sacrificed money because I chose to play by the rules. He is a POS.

I forget to mention Wade Phillips. He was fired after the Bills 8-8 finish in 2000, which was the first itme they had missed the palyoffs since 1997. Ralph Wilson wanted him to fire special teams coach Ronnie Jones, who special teams were considered among the worse in the NFL that year and also allowed the Music City Miracle Homerun Throwback against Tennessee after the 1999 season. Wade refused, and Ralph fired him for insubordination. Wade was a great coach and went on to success with Dallas, Hoston, Denver, and the LA Rams. I liked Wade, but when you disobey a direct order from your boss, what do you expect? Anyone else would have fired him too. I feel the Bills would have done much better in the 2000's with him as coach though. My bad about Jacksonville in the playoffs. That's what I get for writing a post at midnight!

Ok, maybe he wasn't that bad. But I am just upset since I knew we had a star, and he went on to Seattle to lead them to a SB and was regarded as the best (or close to the best) RB in the league for 4 years. And do you mean Anthony Thomas above (the "A-Train")? Yeah, I can understand not needing to draft him, but it turns out he could have been a superstar for Buffalo like he was with Seattle (although they had a better team to support him). Yep, so did Reed, Smith, Talley, and Bennett. I'll give them a pass since they were loyal to the Bills for many years, and were near the end of their careers. I just wish Smith would've been a Bill when he broke the NFL sack record.

Of course you didn't find anything--it was 1982 and there was no internet back then. It was absolutely true, as a previous poster said here with more evidence. He was a clear star and I was thrilled the Bills drafted him. I watched him in practice and read news reports and he kicked butt (I lived in Dunkirk at the time, when the Bills held their training camp a mile away from my home in Fredonia). He routinely was making 50 and 60 yard field goals at the time in practice (they were all two-a-days back then), which was great for back in 1982. But I also watched (or read about) him miss every field goal in the pre-season, even though the Bills kept on letting him try an excessive amout of times so they wouldn't have to cut him in favor of Effren Herrera, who was just average. They wanted Gary, not Effren, and they were bending over backwards for him. I was only in 7th grade at the time and I didn't know why he missed all the field goals. I thought it must have been just nerves. But later on I learned it was on purpose. As the other poster said, Ralph Wilson did not pay him enough and Gary wanted out of his contract. It was rumored he had a deal already made with Pittsburgh. EDIT: Here is Mickey's post, which supports my stance: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/206943-top-10-biggest-traitors-in-buffalo-bills-history/?tab=comments#comment-5190460

Yep, I didn't consider that. We may have been a better team with Kelly in 1983 and 1984, so we wouldn't have been able to draft Bruce number 1 in 1985. Nice point. He turned out to be bad for Buffalo, but I am not sure if he was a traitor. Yes, he did quit after Week 16 of the 2016 season when he wasn't allowed to play Tyrod, but there is a good chance he wouldn't have been around for the next season anyway and there was just one game left in a season where we weren't going to the playoffs. There is no doubt he tried hard for Buffalo (and even painted his truck in Buffalo colors), but he just didn't produce. He also found Tyrod for us, who was a diamond in the rough, especially given the Bills QB history since Kelly.

Yes! Forgot him! He was drafted in 1979 by the Bills and became a 5-time Pro Bowler. However, he began being platooned with the younger Jeff Wright in 1988 and became bitter, with 1989 being his last season in Buffalo. He finished finished his career in 1992 with New England and then became a radio host in Boston. He was a strong Patriots supporter (and apologist) and took every opportunity he could to trash the Bills. He also tried to prevent scab players from crossing the picket line for Buffalo in the strike-shortened 1987 season according to Jim Kelly's book. Ok, you make great points. Maybe I should move Kelly to honorable mention then. I love him to death, but it's just hard for me to forget what he did to Buffalo early on. And re Bennett, at the time, I have to admit I was super excited about him coming to Buffalo and then destroying his old team Indy that season. He was considered one of the the best linebackers that year in the draft, along with Brian Bosworth (supplemental) and Shane Conlan. You have a point, but I still think it was a slightly steep price to pay for him. But he did do great things for us in his career, so I guess it was a good trade then, especailly since we shed Bell.

Agreed. But he was 35 for 35 that year in the regular season, although he was 39 years old.

Yep, in 1990 he was 80% on field goals overall and 8 for 11 from 40-49 yards (but 0 for 2 from 50+ yards): https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/andergar02.htm

Yeah, lol. It is weird, but just in case, on the *very* outside chance that I decide to publish this. Though it probably isn't that good.

This is my list. Who are your selections? Do you agree with the ranking? 1. Gary Anderson - drafted by Buffalo in 1982, he was regarded by the NFL as a future star kicker, but he missed every field goal attempt in the pre-season on purpose so he would get cut (even though in practices he dominated). Buffalo did finally cut him before the regular season, after giving many chances, in favor of Effren Herrera. He was quickly picked up by Pittsburgh and went on to become a top 5 all-time NFL kicker, playing 23 seasons and making 4 Pro Bowls for various teams. I remember the day he was cut. I was in 7th grade and was furious at the Bills for cutting him, knowing he would become a great kicker. But the Bills had no choice. Every time I heard his name in the following years, I cringed. What did he have against Buffalo? 2. Marshawn Lynch ("Beastmode") - drafted at number 12 overall by Buffalo in 2007, Marshawn went had two consecutive 1,000 yard seasons to start his pro career and was named to the Pro Bowl in 2008. But he decided he wanted a "fresh start" after all the legal drama he created in Buffalo (gun charge and a hit-n-run of a pedestrian), forcing the Bills to trade him. He went on to Seattle to win a Super Bowl and have four consecutive 1,000 yard rushing seasons as the best RB in the NFL. SMH. 3. Jason Peters - acquired by Buffalo in 2004 as an UDFA, Peters went on to become a franchise left tackle for them and made the Pro Bowl in 2007 and 2008. He held out prior to the 2008 season with 3 years left on his contract (!), since he wanted to become one of the highest paid offensive tackles in the NFL. He purposely played bad for Buffalo that year, despite being named to the Pro Bowl, and gave up the most sacks in the NFL. He forced the Bills to trade him to the Eagles, where he went on to make 7 Pro Bowls and anchored a vaunted running attack led by LeSean McCoy. 4. Jim Kelly ("Jimbo", "Machine Gun Kelly") - drafted by Buffalo in 1983, he thumbed his nose at the city because Buffalo had a bad reputation and was a boring town. He decided he wanted to play for the Houston Gamblers of the USFL. Sure, he made it up somewhat by coming to play for the Bills in 1986 (he had no choice, as the USFL folded the previous season), but Buffalo lost three years of his services while his main rivals Dan Marino and John Elway were making big waves for Miami and Denver, respectively. Thanks Jim for being a jerk. 5. Joe Cribbs ("Cribsus Carrius") - drafted in 1980 by Buffalo, he was named AFC ROY that season and had 1,185 yard rushing and 52 pass receptions. He was named to the Pro Bowl in 1980 and 1981 and led the NFL in rushing in the strike-shortened season of 1982. He then decided he didn't like playing in the Buffalo cold, so he broke his contract and went on in 1983 to pay for the Birmingham Stallions of the USFL until 1985, when the league folded . He went back to Buffalo before they traded him to the 49ers. I was not happy in 1983 when the news broke he was leaving Buffalo. 6. Tom Cousineau - drafted 1st overall in 1979 by Buffalo, he refused to play for the Bills since Montreal of the CFL offered him double the money that Buffalo did. He went on to become a star for Montreal that season, winning MVP for the Grey Cup (the Super Bowl of the CFL). He game back to the NFL in 1982, where Buffalo traded him to Cleveland for Cleveland's 1983 1st round pick, and 2nd and 3rd picks in later years. Buffalo used that pick to draft Jim Kelly in 1983, but he too went to play for another team! Ridiculous! 7. Doug Marrone ("Saint Doug") - named as the Bills head coach in 2013, he led the Bills to their first winning season in 10 years in 2014: 9-7. He then quit the team with 3 years left on his contract because he didn't like being pressured by GM Doug Whaley to play QB EJ Manuel and was worried about the ownership change. Team captain Freddie Jackson said his treacherous behavior was like being "punched in the stomach". New Bills head coach Rex Ryan said the Bills deserved a loyal coach. Marrone was paid his full salary by Buffalo in 2015, despite signing on to become as Assistant Coach with Jacksonville that season. He went on to become head coach for them and led Jacksonville to its first playoff win ever in the 2017 season. 8. Greg Bell - drafted by Buffalo in 1984 to be Joe Cribbs' replacement, he went on to have a 1,000 yard season and it was clear Buffalo had a star player. But he became loose-lipped and complained about Bills management and other players. He was disliked by all and he forced the Bills to overpay by trading him in 1987, along with their 1988 1st round pick and 1989 1st and 2nd round picks, to Indianapolis for only Cornelius Bennett, who had held out the entire season there as a rookie. Bell was then immediately moved to the LA Rams as part of a three-team deal. This trade cost the Bills dearly. Bell went on to be named comeback player of the year in 1988 for LA, but became a problem there as well, threatening to hold out and talking more trash about his team. 9. Reggie McKenzie - drafted by Buffalo in 1972, he made the Pro Bowl and was named All-NFL 1st Team in 1973 and All-NFL 2nd Team in 1974. He was leader of the "Electric Company" for the Bills and led the offensive line which "turned on the juice" for OJ Simpson. He was considered OJ's "main man". In 1983, he decided to abandon Buffalo and follow Chuck Know to Seattle to provide veteran leadership there. Such disloyalty! I was furious when I heard the news. 10. Chuck Knox ("Ground Chuck") - After coming to Buffalo in 1978 to become their head coach, he turned the organization around and led Buffalo to consecutive playoff berths in 1980 and 1981. But after a disappointing 4-5 strike-shortened season in 1982 and unable to come to a new contract after negotiating with Ralph Wilson, he abandoned Buffalo for Seattle, where he went on to lead them to playoff berths in 1983, 1984, 1986, and 1987. Honorable Mention: Anquan Boldin - The Pro Bowl WR signed with Buffalo as a free agent in 2017, only to decide the team was a mess before quickly retiring in the pre-season. Ironically, the Bills were 9-7 and made the playoffs that year. Yep, Buffalo was a big mess that year. The joke was on Boldin, who had a chance to end his career as a winner. All rights reserved. Copyright greenyellowred.

You forget many posters here are from the old BBMB and should be considered top dawgs too.

Who?

I haven't been here for a week. What's going on? Is there a link?

Are you that Green Bay from the old BBMB that always came on acting friendly towards the Bills?

We weren't set at RB as we also traded Greg Bell to get Bennett.

You can't be a murderer without a conviction. And OJ did not confess to anything. It was all hypothetical.

Semantics aside, we don't know for a fact that he killed anyone. So it is not right to call him a murderer. He was not convicted of the crime of murder. Besides, he was and is a Buffalo Bill. Fans didn't stop supporting Kobe or Big Ben after they were charged with rape, so it should be no different with OJ.

Apples and oranges. Urlacher was a middle linebacker. Sorry, OJ was never convicted of murder. Murder is a legal term. It is possible he may have killed someone without justification, but he did not murder anyone.

The legal doctrine is anyone who participates in a felony is equally as responsible. So if the perp accidentally killed her, it would be murder and both the perp and the person who authorized the burglary would be charged equally with all crimes.

Good point! I totally forgot about that possibility. I will check.

I have SiriusXM satellite radio right now and it expires July 19. I was going to renew, but recently there has been faulty Bills reporting. Over the weekend they had a news report every half hour or so that kept on saying there is a new NFL snow rule, inspired by the Indianapolis-Buffalo game last year. They said non-players helped clear snow so Adam Vinatieri could kick a game-tying field go to force OT, and that Indy went on to win it in OT. Now, the final score was Buffalo 13-7, so there was no field goal; and Buffalo won, not Indy. Since it was on auto play, it drove me insane each time it played. Can't they even get the basic facts correct?? Did anyone else hear this? And some guy reported here a few months ago that Brady Quinn on SiriusXM's "Moving the Chains" said the Chargers failed to beat a playoff team last season, except they did (they beat Buffalo). It's like they have no respect for the Bills, so I am tempted to stop my subscription, despite good coverage otherwise (way better than NFL Network). Oh, just as a stupid aside, James Lofton works one of the weekend shows on SiriusXM and he butchered California place names. He said "El Say-guhn-doh"" instead of "El Say-goon-doh" (El Segundo), and something else which was even worse, but I forgot what it was. I almost died when I heard it. Just like my father said "Luh Joe-luh" for "La Jolla" (Luh Hoy-uh") in the 1970's when I was a child.

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with his conclusions, but these are some excerpts of what Marcus Hayes of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported today: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/lesean-mccoy-buffalo-bills-allegations-philadelphia-eagles-marcus-hayes-20180711.html "[Shady] took that opportunity to remind me of something I’d written after his rookie season, in which I’d characterized him as something other than the world’s greatest young running back. As a rookie, McCoy, a second-round pick, shared the starting role with two other running backs. My characterization was accurate at the time, but I congratulated him on the progress he’d made in the year since. He replied with a loud string of expletives. He impugned my professionalism, my acumen, and my intelligence … and then he stuck his finger in my face and told me he should kick my “[bleeping] ass.” [...] About a year later, in the locker room while I was waiting to interview another player, McCoy called me over to his locker. Asante Samuel, his good friend, stood next to him. There, McCoy began to deride me again for a subsequent story. I told him I had no interest in having that conversation in that space. At that point, Samuel grabbed me by the arm to hold me in place. [...] But these incidents, combined with others in McCoy’s past, paint the picture of, at the very least, a man who struggles to resolve conflict with civility. He has been connected with a nightclub brawl, kicking a female guest off a party bus on the New Jersey Turnpike and, frivolously, tipping badly."

I read this on another board: Scenarios of what could have happened: "1. Shady sent a one of his buds to get the jewelry. She wasn't expected to be there but was and things got out of hand. This would still be on Shady and he's done. 2. One of Shady's pals knew this has been stressing him out so he took it upon himself to go get the jewelry back thinking that would impress McCoy. Still bad for shady but he may be able to save his career. 3. Word had gotten around that shady was trying to get the jewelry back. Bad people found out it was in the house and went to rob her. Only way Shady walks away clear. 4. She was going to be evicted later that day (there was a hearing set for yesterday that is now postponed...hmmm) so she set-up a "robbery" to make it look like the jewelry that she was supposed to return (and was curiously enough wearing in bed at 3 AM) was stolen and blamed it all on Shady."