Pokebball

My opinion, from reading your posts, is that your willing to give up most everything

...and your answer is to surrender your liberty to the clowns in government.

Biden reversing his reversing EOs would be the best.

The bill was crafted by a dem, a repub and an independent (who was a dem the year before). It was shoved down the others throats in the 11th hour with very little knowledge of what was in the bill prior to that. Too many found to much in the bill they didn't like so they refused to support it. And I'm talking dems as well. I'm not going to defend most in DC. Most are sorry excuses for reps that are more interested in partisanship than they are representing those of us across the country. Biden can strengthen the border with a few strokes of his pen. Schumer can pick up HB2 and start working it. Amend it to his hearts content. Do something. He doesn't because of partisan politics. Clowns!

Thank you. To restate then, you think scientifically human life begins at birth. You and I are so very far apart on this, it's probably not worth your time to continue. Thanks for the time you've given me on this.

Dems control the senate though. Dems could have passed it on their own. They didn't need the repubs if all of 'em supported it. I guess we're good calling it a bipartisan refusal to pass it? So we are left today, where I thought we were. The house passed a border bill that is collecting dust on Schumer's desk. The Senate has done nothing of any value. Nothing the dem senators collectively support. The balls in Schumer's court.

A fetus is nothing but a stage in human life, just like an infant, a child, a teenager, and adult, etc. Earlier you said viability. Now you're saying birth. All while acknowledging a human life begins before both of those. Don't be afraid to answer this question. We all see your reluctance. When do you think human life begins?

The link I posted is policy in each state. The current abortion laws in each state. Many of the most populous states allow abortions up until birth. Those policies/laws do not align with not wanting a late term abortion. They support the right to a late term abortion. Last time, when do you think, scientifically, a human life begins? If you refuse to answer, I won't be continuing this conversation with you. I'm not going to let you blow past my questions and carry on with your agenda.

Again, you skipped my question. When, scientifically, do you think human life begins? Then we'll proceed to your questions.

Many states allow abortion up until birth. These states are most of the highest populated states in the country. I think it's rather disingenuous to say most most people don't support late-term abortions. Their laws don't align with that statement. US map of abortion rights

You skipped my question. Posters skipping your question bothered you earlier. Scientifically, when do you think human life begins? That is an important question in this discussion, no? And a follow up from me regarding viability, is a person that's been in a coma for a year viable?

You have that link to the senate border bill that is sitting on Johnson's desk? If I'm mistaken, I'd like to know.

Biologists hold a contrary opinion. Viability isn't a sound argument because a child isn't viable right after birth, or even later in life. When does human life begin? When are you OK with terminating a human life?

I am certainly not familiar with what each and every state is doing. Those that I am familiar with seems to hold the doctor accountable and not the women. I'll also note here that RvW was a ticking time bomb. Legal scholars were predicting it would fall shortly after it was passed. As time passed, medical science advanced proving that human life started before birth at earlier and earlier gestation. Each state knew this was coming, or should have known. Using your words, many of these states, instead of admitting their ignorance, they just attempted to move in a manner to circumvent the obvious pitfalls of their follies. Overall, I agree with you that the law needs to be clearly defined in each jurisdiction. State legislators tend to learn what other states are doing in regards to legislation and copy a lot of it in crafting their laws. At the end of this process, we'll have just a few different laws across all states. The liberal states will have no abortion and the other states will have a couple of laws, with the difference being the number of months that are the trigger pts for legal abortion. There won't be more than a couple of those IMO. We're smarter than I think you give us credit for.

link me to this border bill the senate passed This is what I think I know Link

Jeeeshus, you dems want it both ways

I think that rhetoric is certainly used. In your opinion, is "the taking of a human life" equivalent to "abortion is murder"?

Everyone wants these things. The difference in philosophy is how to accomplish it. The Border deal? The GOP passed their border bill in the house. HB2 is sitting on Schumer's desk collecting dust. Dems haven't passed a border bill yet because Schumer couldn't get the support he needed in the Dem controlled senate.

The blue parts don't talk either. But they do sing the blues

My red state doesn't, in fact,talk

That "gut" of yours. My gosh!

So which of her lies....is the truth?

they'd also be probably all on board

Very obvious. Vax rates were most important, when access to adequate health care existed. Access becomes obviously more important when you aren't ventilated. You claim to understand rural healthcare, but you obviously don't.

If the people who claim to oppose harming women over abortion really wanted to, they would address the root causes of harming women! did I do that right