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    Was there a solid plan on the QB after Tyrod left?

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    44 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

    They started the second he was drafted 1st overall.

     

    And obviously the plan was to draft a QB, that wasnt the original point here, the point was did they have a plan outside of that.

     

    From what is being said, it appears Allen was always the guy they wanted and knew he would need to sit and develop, he wasnt a day 1 starter. The plan appeared to be dump Taylor for picks and then rummage around the scrap heap for a place holder option until Allen is ready. They didnt want to pay for quality, and McCown went back to the Jets, so they grabbed AJ cause he was cheap and may make them look good if he works out

     

    That came back to bite them when he missed a bit of Training Camp because of injury and then they thought Peterman was good enough. Now they are stuck with a guy who has yet to finish a start and had to be mercy pulled from the game cause he was so bad, and have to rush in the guy they didnt want to rush and have no other options outside of signing someone off the street

    The calls for starting Mayfield.

    20/20: Would you have traded Tredavious White for Browns' #4 pick?

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    14 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

    Clearly the biggest surprise of Round #1 was the Browns pick #4 going for Denzel Ward instead of Bradley Chubb. Chances are the Browns were still hoping for Barkley but basically knew they were getting Ward the moment the GIants made the Barkley pick. If we had known the Browns were looking at CB at #4 (it has been widely reported they wanted a CB to allow Garrett to get to the QB), would you be willing to trade Tredavious White for the #4 pick? Not that I am not high on White (I think he will make the Pro Bowl this year if he stays injury free).

     

    Why for the Browns: White is closer to a sure thing than Ward and still has three years on the rookie scale (at a lower salary than #4).

    Why for the Bills:  1. Guaranteed to get Josh Allen  2. Would have likely gotten WARD at #12 and likely still gotten Edmunds for #22 and #65 at 16. So Bills end up with Allen, Ward and Edmunds instead of Allen, White and Edmunds. All things equal,  I prefer the latter - but remember in this trade Bills get to keep their 2 #2s and get an extra year on the rooki scale for their CB. So would you rate Ward, #53 and #56 as higher than Tre' White?

     

    Clearly Bills had interest in Ward - they even hosted him at OBD.  

     

    typo corrected in bold

    The Browns would have wanted draft capital also.  No way i am trading White.

    Giants didn’t even listen to offers

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    7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

    He could have, but someone had to offer it.   The Bills are probably the only team that had the draft capital to make it happen, and I would be amazed if the Bills didn't at least talk to the Browns about it.  

     

    Here's how it likely went:

     

    Bills call Giants and ask if they'd swap #2 for#12, #22 and next year's first (that was rumored to have happened).   Giants say no.   Giants say if you can get us #4, we can talk.

     

    Bills call Browns.   Browns say we're not moving out of #4; we like it here.   Bills say how about our two firsts for you #4.  (Bills are thinking they can get the Giants to take #4 and next year's first.)   Browns say no, we like being at #4; if you want us to move out of #4 you have to give us more, like maybe next year's first.   That means the Bills have to give the Giants one or both of this year's seconds to move back two spots.   

     

    At some point, it just got too expensive to the Bills.   Remember, McDermott said that their plan this week was to find a way to get a QB and get Edmunds, which meant they'd probably have to trade up twice.   Beane maintained his discipline; if he'd put together some kind of three-way deal with the Browns and Giants, he wouldn't have had enough capital left to trade up Edmunds.   So he decided to wait, and if the opportunity arose, to trade up to 5, 6, 7  or 8 for the QB.   That would leave him enough trade bait to Edmunds.   It worked as he planned.   

     

    Beane may have gotten his second choice QB - if he'd gotten to #2 he might have taken Darnold, but Edmunds was his consolation prize.  

     

    Moving up to 2 would have been the call if we didn't have so many holes.  So far we are getting some solid players.  I think we stole one with Phillips.

    Giants didn’t even listen to offers

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    53 minutes ago, Virgil said:

     

    This honestly makes me feel better.  I still don’t like giving up our 2nds in the trade up, but it means Mayfield and Darnold were never options.  And, I trust Beane if he says Allen was better than Rosen. 

    He could have moved back to 4 in a three way trade and he still would have picked up Barkley and an extra draft pick.  He knew people would have wanted to move up.  

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    Why Do You Think Bills Are Waiting to Make a Deal

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    14 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

    Because they need to see how the draft starts to fall. If Mayfield goes 1 maybe they wasn't to get to 2 for Darnold but if Darnold goes 1 then maybe they think 2 is too high for Allen when they can get him or rosen maybe at 5 or 6 and give up less. Id bet they just wanna see how things play out. Im sure they have talked to most of the teams in front of them to cover every scenario and have some trades worked out in principle already

    Spot on!

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