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1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:
The current TV contracts go out to 2033....while I agree they will try to drive more streaming revenue, the "free" broadcasts are critical to get new and keep existing fans. And in reality it is not free, the networks dont pay that money to give it for free. They pay it to get eyeballs on the screen for there advertisers which influence you.
The other thing is live sports is what drives streaming numbers, especially the ad tiers. I can see towards the end of the contract they move it to streaming only. IMO this is the last contract for the big networks. Going forward I see all games on Prime, Netflix and ESPN+
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59 minutes ago, Augie said:
I think you bolded the wrong part. Here is the point:
”and if you are for it now you can’t change your mind if he gets hurt. That is my point. I’ve seen this crowd in action. It’s not always rational thoughts, and too often unwarranted emotional reactions.”
I am all for going all in this season. I don't care the cost. I would rather win a Super Bowl and be bad for multiple seasons after than be in the hunt and never win one.
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This is just the beginning. In a few years the over the air package will be done. As much as it sucks, the consumer had a part in this change to streaming.
It goes back to people cutting out cable. This these companies way of getting back that money.
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2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I agree with your premise, however choosing Hill as the example is....weird.
Reason being since trading Hill the Chiefs have made 3 straight Super Bowls, winning two while the Dolphins have two one and done post seasons and didn't even make it this year.
I only chose Hill cause he was brought up.
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1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Not so much his game rather than his behavior. Which seeing how he's acted off the field was very warranted.
This is exactly the type of player that Beane would take off the draft board completely and never consider no matter the round he slipped to.
IMO is exactly why they can't get over the hump and win a Super Bowl. They would rather take a guy who is a project, has a high ceiling but is very blue collar and comes to work everyday.
Those guys will keep your team competitive most seasons but they rarely have the play making abilities that the Super Bowl winners have.
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5 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
Tyreek fell to the 5th because he was convicted of throwing his pregnant girlfriend around "like a rag doll" and punching her in her belly. That's why he was kicked off Oklahoma State and was drafted out of West Alabama. The issue was never in his game.
That's the kind of player I've talked about in drafting. Yes he had off field issues and it's not a great look at all, I'm drafting the guy cause of his talent.
That's my biggest issue with this regime, they would never draft a guy like Hill due to his off field issues.
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1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:
Is it time? No.... He's a tremendous leader. The spirit and toughness of the bills defense vs the ravens was awesome. That's what McDermott and Beane have built.
Derrick Henry had 9 carries for 21 yds in the first half. Finding guys like Bernard, Benford and Dorian Williams tells me he has the right eye for football DNA and temperament.
I just don't know if they are good enough to win a championship
Bolded is the big question. I get that most don't want to change anything. While he may never win a Super Bowl, it's more fun winning the AFCE every season and having a chance to win.
For me if they don't at least get back to the AFC championship game then I feel it's time to move on. The goal is to win a Super Bowl, not consistently be a playoff team
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Pay the man. Push the money down the road. The goal is a Super Bowl.
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1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Comes down to really a handful of plays. All about execution.
We've been saying that since 13 seconds. It's less about the X's and O's and more about the Jimmies and Joe's.
1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:🤔
Pay that man
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Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:
Wr have the #1 thing a team needs and that's a Franchise QB. Now build up a Defense.
Start by looking at talent level first and culture second.
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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:
We traded for Diggs and signed Von Miller. It didn't work, did it.
Also what you call going "all in" wasn't really in some of the cases you cited.
That's one time and they were 13 seconds away. The Eagles had a bunch of void years added on to contracts win now and the Rams traded a bunch of picks to win their Super Bowl.
Both teams mortgaged their future to win now. I would rather win a Super Bowl, then be in the mix each year and never win one.
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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:
That isn't a plan. That's a suicide pact.
The Rams did it and won, The Bucs did and won and the Eagles just did it and won. Those are all recent winners.
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9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
So let's just quit.
Don't need to quit. IMO at some point you need to mortgage the future to get a chance to win now.
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If it was me, I am signing Higgins, trading for Garrett and hoping to find some playmakers in the draft. To pay for those moves, I'm restructuring contracts and do like the Eagles did with void years. Hopefully that puts the team into winning a Super Bowl.
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25 minutes ago, Augie said:
As much of a Bills fan as I am, some trophy they won 20 years ago gives me no great joy today. It would be nice, but I guess I live more in the present than that.
I enjoyed last season very much….right up until the end. Not winning a trophy does not take away the fun I had this season, or the times spent here and elsewhere with family and friends sharing our Bills thoughts.
But it would be mighty boring if we were all the same, so I respect your opinion.
Oh, and to say nobody will remember Josh is silly. Do they remember Barry Sanders and OJ? Greatness is greatness, and it is not forgotten.
After reading that I'm starting to understand why you and others are reluctant to change much in regards to regime and team building. A Super Bowl win would be nice but having a winning team each season is better.
I'm not saying you don't want a Super Bowl win. If you had your choice you would take a playoff team each season over a team that wins a Super Bowl but then goes back to a middle of the pack team. Basically back to the drought era
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Reading through a bunch of these threads I feel the reason for the big difference of opinion is how you view the team.
I'm on the side, that yes they have been very good to almost great every season. They are missing that blue chip talent to get them over the hump on both sides of the ball.
IMO they need that dominant pass catcher regardless if its a WR or TE. They need a dominant Dline man, and either a true shutdown corner or an elite LB that makes plays. IMO they need to get at least 3-4 of those to win. I'm off the belief that they should go all in to either move up in the draft or trade picks to get that.
Where many differ is there is no guarantee that works and that one of these seasons the Bills will make that play or get the call and get to the Super Bowl.
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8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Really.
Nobody knows yet. There's a possibility they all go right along the trajectory already established. Probably several will. Anyone who thinks that we already know what will happen to all of them is absolutely kidding himself. Some might make huge steps up. No way to know for sure.
Much too early.
Look at Benford or Taron Johnson or Milano out of hundreds of similar examples. Hell, look at Josh. None looked like an impact playmaker after their first year. Some elite playmakers are already recognizable after their first year. Plenty more are not yet.
Kid yourself if it makes you feel better. We just don't know. That's an irritating feeling, which reflect reality.
I'm not saying they are going to be bad players. I said they will most likely be very good players. McDermott is a very good coach for developing players. What I am saying is while they may end up really good like Milano and company, I don't see them getting to the level of an AL Brown, Myles Garrett of the world.
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25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Can be critical but you can't be too bad considering they have the 2nd best winning percentage in all of pro sports in the last 6 years only to the Chiefs.
No matter who you have on your team, it's very very hard to be that consistently good to great over that length of time.
And considering they have the best point differential by am almost unheard of 250 points over the 2nd place team over that time, hard to say a lot.
People who do are just looking for something to complain about.
Sure, we could use more top end talent, but so could most teams if we are being honest.
At the end of the day, they just need to figure it out on D in the key playoff games.
IMO the bolded is where the difference of opinion is. Many believe that while they need more high end talent, that making a play here or there will change the outcome.
IMO teams that win, win cause high end talent make those plays.
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2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Much too early.
Not really. These guys will most likely be good players for the Bills. Already you can say they won't be elite playmakers that this team desperately needs.
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45 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
An attitude like, say, Stefon Diggs?
Furthermore, drafting at 30, you don't find day one impact players. You find Worthy and Coleman.
Not quite the extreme is Diggs but in the mold.
You do find guys that make an impact day one that low in the draft. Look at Brian Thomas Jr.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
Well, it depends. Probably yes, but it depends on whether he actually seems to be growing.
I don't know, for example, whether his philosophy about the D line will evolve, but if he's playing the same 8 man rotation and getting the same results, that will be a signal to me that he isn't growing. The league is changing around him, and if he isn't changing with it, then his growth mindset won't be getting the job done.
If Allen storms out training camp in 2027 and demands a trade, then maybe I have a different view. On the other hand, if Allen storms out and Trubisky takes them to the Championship game, then, certainly, keep the coach.
It all depends on what the team is doing.
I've come down to thinking that there is only one metric that matters - winning the Lombardi. All the other objective metrics - stats, AFC East titles, etc. really don't matter. But I also think that that metric, winning it all, is NOT the measure of the success of the coach. Some great coaches have never won a Super Bowl, and some bad coaches have. The measure of a good coach is more complicated and more subjective than winning a Lombardi.
I think McDermott is a better coach today than he was three years ago, and he was better three years ago than six years ago. Four years from now, if I think he still growing and the quality of his teams is still growing, I'm still going with him.
I like this, at least the first para. You're saying something similar, and the point is the same - if things don't progress, then it's time to move on.
However, I don't agree with culture second. Culture's first, and McD won't ever change that, and it unquestionably has built great success. What has to change is football decision making. They need to be smarter about the people they acquire, especially in the first and second rounds. That's where they need to go after play makers - given where they draft, they won't get one every time, but they need to hit on one or two, so they have a true monster DT or a true shutdown corner or a real stud at some other position. To do that, I think their philosophy about players has to evolve.
That's where I disagree on the first and second round picks. Yes they need to hit on them better, but that's where the culture part comes in. If you have 2 players available to draft, one being elite and will have an impact day 1 but has an attitude. They 2nd player has a high ceiling and will come to work hard everyday and is a team player. They will almost always take that 2nd option as it fits the culture they have built.
IMO they should always be taking the better player regardless of ego or attitude.
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31 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
I appreciate the thought out post. My question was phrased a specific way and I don't see you explicitly stating an answer.
I can infer from the post that your answer is as long as McD keeps showing growth he has an indefinite amount of time. Growth from the perspective you're stating doesn't seem to be anchored to a clear result as far as I can tell and more to continued improvements. I guess that's a bit tricky given how close and how far we have come. One could argue how much more improving can we make without actually getting to the Super Bowl?
I will ask it in a very clear way. If the Bills go to multiple AFC championship games and a couple divisional games and never miss the playoffs the next 4 years, but don't make a Super Bowl, is McD still your guy?
My answer is it depends on if their philosophy has changed in terms of drafting and signing players. If they continue with the mantra of culture and scheme fit and still don't win in 4 years then I move on.
Now if they start taking BPA in the draft and look at talent first and worry about culture second. They don't win I keep giving them a chance. A good example would be, if there is 2 WRs in the draft that the Bills can draft. One is a blue chip can't miss elite but has a bit ego, and the other has a high ceiling, a good team player, they take the high ceiling, IMO it's time to move on.
For me I'm take the can't miss guy 10 out of 10 times regardless of ego
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20 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Hate Josh Allen? I might actually be his biggest fan. But facts are facts...we had guys wide open on our final series and we didn't make the plays to get them the ball. So for people to pretend we lost this game all because we didn't have a Chase, Jefferson, etc type player is just not reflective of what actually happened.
I'm of the opinion it's due to both. Yea they needed a game wrecker on defense to win but they also need elite talent on offense too.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
No disrespect bud, but when didn't it work?
We put up 29 in the AFCCG against a stingy defense with one of the top DC's and against a team that had not scored 30 themselves the whole season. And consider this...in the 4th, the Bills were already in FG range and up 1 with a chance to get a TD and go up 2 scores. Instead the refs stole the possession from us, not once, but twice within the same 4 down series. Kincaid had the first on 2nd down and then Allen again got the first on the 4th down. In both plays one ref spotted the first and was overturned by another ref. Chiefs would turnaround and score a TD and 2 point conversion making this at minimum an 11 point swing in the 4 quarter and quite possibly a 15 point swing (if we had continued on for a TD) in a game we scored 29 in and still lost by 3.
And honestly, saying it works until it doesn't is something you can say about every team who loses a game in the playoffs about any topic you want about said team. Because whatever they did worked until it didn't when their season ended.
Yeah they lost by 3 and the offense was clicking for the majority of the game. It was working til when they needed a big play at the end of the game for a first down. That is when you need a Chase type to make a play.
Look at the Eagles, when they needed that big play they went to Barkley or Brown.
5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:My point being it takes a team to win a Super Bowl, the Bills defense isn't anywhere near as talented as the Eagles defense so even if the Bills have AJ Brown on it's team as it is today I doubt it will get us any closer to the Super Bowl we have been thus far.
It also takes playmakers on both sides of the ball to win. The Eagles had that. They had a dominant Dline but also elite talent on offense too.
How many of us are "trade for Garrett/Crosby/Parsons/etc." or it's serious offseason disappointment?
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There is no guarantees that what building through the draft with smaller FA additions is enough to win. I'm good with another AFCCG and sucking knowing they took a chance to win.
I all for adding Higgins by adding void years to his contact, and giving up the next 2 firsts to add Garrett.