[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's every single team

 

The Chiefs only go as far as mahomes and would only win six games without him

That's not true. The Bengals won a bunch of games without Burrow last season cause of the talent around him. 

[Impact Players and the case for doing whatever it takes at WR1]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The reason we are losing in the playoffs is not for lack of impact players

 

It's because the defense lays down. It's as simple as that. They need to play better

Impact players on defense would help. 

[Why does Beane get a pass?]

56 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

What exactly does he need a "pass" for?  What exactly has "come to roost?

Did I slip into a coma and miss the Bills failing to make the playoffs?  Did we have a losing record last year?  I understand the frustration over not getting a Super Bowl.  But the way Bills fans talk about this franchise is becoming more embarrassing by the day and totally disconnected from reality.

 

By every standard of measure, Brandon Beane is one of the top GMs in the entire NFL.

If you want to base everything on Super Bowl wins, only three teams (Chiefs, Rams, Bucs) have succeeded in the past 5 seasons.  If you want to throw in Conference championships, then you can add the 49ers, Eagles and Bengals.  That's a total of 6 teams (out of 31) who have arguably had more success than Buffalo, and more than half of them haven't been able to sustain a high level of play for more than a few consecutive seasons.  In the same time span, we are 2nd in the entire NFL in regular season wins and tied for 4th in playoff wins.  

 

All these people are pitching a fit about us losing Stefon Diggs.  OK fine.  It always stinks losing a good player, so I get it.

But now the complaints are that Beane shouldn't have given Diggs an extension in the first place?  I mean what?  This is revisionist history if I've ever heard of it.  Nobody and I mean nobody was complaining about that contract two seasons ago.  Somehow we would have been better off just letting his contract expire?  And let's also completely ignore that we got a (likely very high) 2nd Round draft pick in return, when Keenan Allen - roughly the same age and production level - went for a 4th Rounder. And just a couple years ago, a much younger Amari Cooper went for a measly 5th Rounder.

 

The only high D-Line pick that hasn't worked out is Boogie Basham.  Ed Oliver is a monster on the inside and extremely underrated.  Greg Rousseau is a good starter and would be so on most NFL teams.  AJ Epenesa is a solid rotational player.  Harrison Phillips is also a good starter for the Vikings.  We have gotten very good production from signing Daquan Jones and last year with Leonard Floyd on a bargain contract.  For all the criticism, Von Miller was playing at a Pro Bowl level until the ACL tear.  Crap, even Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson have done well on cheap deals on the backend of our roster.  Again, if your only standard is being able to chase down and sack Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs, then you need to watch more football.  We could have TJ Watt and Myles Garrett on the edge, and he would still manage to make plays.

 

There isn't a single GM in the league who doesn't make mistakes.  

Howie Roseman is often called the best GM in the entire NFL.  He traded up for Carson Wentz, and had whopper 1st Round busts like Jalen Reagor, Nelson Agholor, Andre Dillard and Marcus Smith.  The 49ers/John Lynch traded a fortune to get Trey Lance, and also have 1st Round busts like Javon Kinlaw and Solomon Thomas on his resume.  What do you think about the Chiefs 2023 draft class and 1st Rounder Felix Anudike-Uzamah (zero starts), or them spending a 1st Rounder on a running back (Clyded Edwards-Helaire) a few years ago?

 

For every bad move Beane has made, you can counter it with something good.  Kaiir Elam doesn't work out?  Oh well, he ended up nabbing Christian Benford on Day 3.  Poor choice in drafting Zack Moss?  He makes it up with James Cook a season later, and our running game doesn't miss a beat.  At the end of the day, that's what counts.  The final roster he puts together, and how it compares versus the rest of the league.  Not nitpicking every individual miss.

If the team ends up falling apart this year because of cap issues and poor decisions, then it's fair to let Beane have it.  But as of today, anyone picking the Bills to finish behind the Dolphins/Jets, miss the playoffs, etc., really has no idea what's going to happen.  I heard the same cries last year, and we finished as AFC Champs again.

 

He's built a good regular season team but still hasn't found many elite playmakers that put them over the top. 

 

Compared to the drought years this is much better. 

[Why does Beane get a pass?]

18 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Josh Allen. 4 straight division titles after two decades in the doldrums…

 

 

 

After 20 years of nothing, I guess division titles are a success. Regular season success means little in the long run. As I posted in another thread outside of Allen, this team lacks a lot of elite talent. That's on Beane. 

1 minute ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Dallas and Miami for starters

Both are like the Bills. Great regular season teams but can't get over the hump in the playoffs. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

3 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

so your an optimist....lol.....i'd say 5-6 wins without josh

It also shows why this team struggles in the playoffs. They don't have the talent to win against the better teams when it matters. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

21 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

kind of.....but if viewed from the position the texans only want a 1 yr rental. you're getting a highly motivated and happy  diggs playing for his next contract. (of course he could become unhappy not getting enough targets.....one can hope....lol)

 

the dumb part for me is that they gave up a very early 2nd round Minnesota  draft pick for that 1 yr rental..... that's steep

It maybe a steep price but if they end up winning a Superbowl or making it there it's worth it. Their QB is still on his rookie deal, that's the best time to go all in. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

Sadly, that's the hallmark of this era Bills in the playoffs.  No one but Allen steps up with any consistency whatsoever.  

 

 

Maybe that's the best those guys can do. As good as Allen is, he can only make a bunch of JAGs look so good. Outside of Diggs, the guys on offense aren't that great. Same with defense, as a group they are good but have very few playmakers. 

 

Take Allen off this team and they're probably are .500 at best.  Look at Cincinnati, Burrow goes down and their backup still won a bunch of games cause of the talent around him. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

49 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

People forget, this is April before the draft, and we don’t play football until September. Beane opened that door with “we’re probably not better today”, and some media folks jumped on that (Cowherd being one).  They skip the part where “we still have a lot of work to do”. I’ll wait and see.  

Could they draft Diggs replacement yeah sure. They will be better than right now but I don't see where they improve significantly. They have no cap room to go out and get a Higgins or high end guy. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

1 minute ago, Freak-O said:

What are you doing on this board if you’re a Houston fan? And before you say you’re not, you just wrote that you hope they go to the Super Bowl (and not the Bills).  

I'm not a Houston fan at all. I'm just tired of every time a guy leaves the fanbase turns on them and calls the team the go to crap. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I don't think they were, which is hilarious.  Either way, this trade looks a lot better now

 

I'm surprised we got more than a 4th given it's a 1 year rental and he probably signs with Dallas 

It doesn't look a lot better. This WR group is a lot worse now.  I hope Diggs not only excels in Houston but they go to the Super Bowl.  It's only cause of fans like you and others that always turn on a guy as soon as he leaves town. 

[PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion]

13 hours ago, mrags said:

Yeah you and some others think they are going to have problems selling the new place out. I believe that not only will they sell it out, theres going to be a multiple year wait list to get tickets 

I'm sure they will sellout the first few seasons as long as they are good. I have my doubts about wait lists and enough PSLs filling the stadium. Yeah that's what is happening now but that's with lower average ticket prices and no PSLs. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I don't because of the way he carried himself these last two years, the cryptic nonsense. The Texans better stay on his good side.

I'm sure he will be on his best behavior the first season. If they get to a Super Bowl or win it this season with him a loss of a 2nd round pick would be worth it. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Is he the ticket?

No but he does make the receiving group much better than it was before. Honestly I hope he excels. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If I'm a Houston fan.. I'm not exactly loving this deal now.  

 

Even at 18M or whatever per year, they had control of Diggs for multiple years on what essentially becomes team options given the lack of guaranteed money. 

 

Now it's a rental.. for the Vikings '25 RD2 pick with some Day 3 picks in return.

 

Steep price.

 

Not if they win a Super Bowl. 

[PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I must be sitting in the wrong sections, because Bills games are pretty tame. Especially compared to what they used to be. You used to see the yellow jackets swarming sections and breaking up fights and escorting people out all over the stadium. I rarely ever see that any more.

The stadium stuff has never been that bad. It's the tailgating antics that are the problem. Table slamming, covering themselves with condiments and drunkenness. Maybe with upping the cost of tickets that will end. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

4 minutes ago, 0017 said:

Can’t believe the Texans gave up a 2nd for a 1 year rental!! Diggs is 100% going to Dallas next year, I guess they will get a comp pick back but won’t be more than a 5th probably based on Diggs being 32 next year and only really negotiating with one team for his next contract. 

I can cause Houston is going all in to win this year.  

[PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion]

25 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

the clubs are going to be people who have money, as it is is in EVERY stadium in America, not just football, every sport.

 

The best non-club seats lower bowl between the twenties are going to be people who have more disposable income than many...again as it is in EVERY stadium in America.

 

Having money does not preclude being a real fan

 

I never said anything about money and not being a real fan. My point was a response to another poster saying they put the prices high to go after a more corporate ticket holder. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Maybe if we have more corporate fans, things will get better

 

Can't have the riffraff around

 

It has nothing to do with corporate fans. The best teams have elite playmakers.

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

24 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

He could certainly learn from the work ethic now that 14’s commitment has left the building.  Aside from Milano still being here, we have lost what was clearly a high degree of work ethic from 13, 14, 27, 60 etc.  Let’s hope the remaining guys and some newbies pick up the slack and it starts clicking for some of the more laid back types.

I could care less about work ethic. Elite playmakers are more important and right now they don't have many.  You need playmakers to win when it matters. Look at KC last year, they had Kelce for offense but their defense had many playmakers. 

 

Compare that to the Bills who have a bunch of good players that bring their lunch pail to work. They play good together as a team but when it matters don't have guys that are game breakers. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

15 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

A WR who fits may become available after the draft , Beane said that. Then there is post June 1 cuts. While hope is not a strategy, the likelihood of one of the two occuring is pretty high given the plethora of good WRs coming into the league via draft. 

Good WRs but not likely to replace the numbers WR1 or WR2 put up last season.  While I do agree Diggs has to go, they left themselves with JAGs at WR.  They have Kincaid and whoever they draft this season that have high potential. Til they reach that, the offense is setup similar to the defense. Outside Allen, it's a bunch of good players but no elite playmakers. Same as the defense. They have Milano, the rest are good together but no playmakers. 

 

It's been that way with this regime. They like their plug and play system. Which works great in the regular season but fails in the playoffs. The teams that win have playmakers on offense and defense. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

8 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Diggs was a good REGULAR SEASON wr

Just like the rest of his teammates. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

Just now, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

Relying on an aging self-centered WR is not the answer........never was.

 

.....need a tissue there, son?

Never said that. I'm not upset at all. I'm also not expecting much next season. I'm expecting the team to take step back. Relying on rookie WR isn't the answer either. 

[PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion]

9 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Agreed.  I prefer acceptance of reality and planning to deal with reality than whining and complaining and feeling like I’m being persecuted.  
 

I think some people in this thread saw what was coming and are not surprised and are accepting reality.  That doesn’t mean we condone what is happening. 
 

The people being blindsided are those that are reading about 50k PSLs and extrapolating that to the entire stadium - especially STHs in the best 100 level seats that weren’t “club” seats, but now apparently will be. Those people are understandably worried about their ability to continue to be STHs at the same seating arrangement. That will all be revealed shortly. 
 

Then there are those that just want to slap their ***** around trying to garner attention and pretend to be a big boy/girl/other. 🤣

The fact you conflate explanations with defending proves the persecution complex going on here. 

Then there are those who think the PSLs are going to drop to $1000 to $2000 a seat at the low end. Face it the plebs will no longer be able to afford to go. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

 

Boo hoo......like Beane is going to leave the team with no legit WR?!?

 

....need a tissue?

Boo hoo they have no money to add a legit WR. Relying on a rookie is not the answer. 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Reposting this because it's going to get lost in the thread:

 

 

The Bills kept the issues under wraps for the most part. But anyone who knew someone close to the team was aware of his constant distractions, both in public and behind the scenes.

As I posted earlier, this has been going on for more than just this season. They knew there was going to be problems. Why give him a new 4 year contract and rework it only to move him a year into said contract. As well as add in dead cap. Why not move on from him before all of this?