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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

    he has a lot more faults than Caleb Williams .. who people here think is overrated 

     

    And he doesn't play like he's 6'4 230 lb... He has a lot of talent 

     

    But he has a lot more flaws to correct on game tape than some admit... Including not the smoothest release

     

    I've always thought his motion is elongated and/or has a hitch that will give NFL DBs a tick longer to react

    All Gunner's Draft Stuff.... 2024 Edition!!!

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    Interesting how such a substantive and timely post gets relatively little engagement. I guess such sober diligence doesn't exactly invite online debate.

     

    Because we're almost all WR crazy, I'm wondering what you see in Legette's ability to separate at the next level that so many others don't. I am drawn to him as a compelling projection with a compelling past. His physicality would be a welcome addition. But I often get told he isn't a separator, bottom line. How do you reconcile that disparity?

     

    Additionally, where do you see Franklin (who I think the Bills really like) and Worthy (who I think almost every NFL team likes)? 

    Mock draft simulators.

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    45 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

    Who am I to argue with Jesus?

     

    Anyone is worthy of such inquiry.

     

    But speaking of Worthy, KC offered to move up to 31, and when I rejected and selected Worthy, KC then traded back out of 32. So that felt pretty great, within the confines of fake digital draft maneuvering. 

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    Joe Marino's Bills specific draft board: Horizontal & Vertical

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    Strongly disagree with Franklin's valuation on these draft boards, especially when adjusted for Bills-specific needs and values. He isn't some top half of the 1st rd WR prospect, but he very well could be a very late 1st rd pick or moreover an early 2nd. 

     

    I'm thinking the Bills LOVE Franklin's speed, production, underrated all-around game, and best-in-nation success against press coverage. He's not a height/weight specimen (small hands, too, like McConkey), but he's taller than Diggs and they wouldn't be picking him where that's at such a premium value anyways. What he appears to be is a WR who excels getting downfield but also has short and intermediate juice despite his thin frame. He has excelled on the boundary against press, and he's had success when moved. His analytics are REALLY strong. No clue how he interviews, but I'm sure we'll learn more about that post-draft. 

     

    I think the desire to wedge WRs into #1 and #2 boxes prevents many from looking at prospects based on what they DO well and instead has fans looking at them based on what they ARE (traits). Teams don't win superbowls because they have prototypical, tall guys at X, elite all-around guys at Z, and small, shifty guys at Y. That's just not how it has worked, historically, in the NFL. Superbowl-winning teams have guys that can PLAY. 

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    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    38 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

    Hopefully the Bill's don't give up too much, they usually get fleeced and give away more than the trade value would suggest when they make moves up or generally make a trade. Other teams know they're desperate to trade up for a wide receiver, it's a huge glaring need and of course they'll take advantage of it. The Bill's are not in a good position to negotiate fair value if they want to trade up that bad and other teams know it.

    Maybe trade up a little bit and get Worthy and then trade for Metcalf or get another large receiver later on after they get Worthy. Can't let Miami get Worthy or Kansas City.

     

    Agree with much of what you share here EXCEPT I think the Bills definitely CAN "let Miami get Worthy." That would be some silly asset allocation for a team stacked with WR speed but lacking on both lines. No need to be determined to prevent that scenario. But to think the Bills would somehow let Worthy get past them and land in the laps of KC...THAT would hurt. Can't imagine KC giving up much capital to move up FAR for a WR with some other notable needs that line up with their current draft position (OL, DB, etc.), which would mean we let Worthy fall back to them and likely spent capital on moving up for a different WR (in a potentially historic WR draft). 

     

    27 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

    I would think we’d only be trading up for a wr.

    Nabers is my unrealistic dream, but we prob would have to trade up too far for him.

    Odunze is prob the big trade up possibility and don’t be surprised if the smaller trade up would not be for Thomas jr, but would be for worthy.

     

    IF they trade up, it better be for a WR. And I really hope that would only be a smaller, Beaney trade up from 28 to 18 or even better, somewhere in the early 20s. Trading WAY up in a draft so loaded with potential prospects seems foolhardy. 

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    Mock draft simulators.

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    Moved back a couple times to load up on day two picks. A draft like this can really bolster rotational depth and injury resilience. Franklin, Frazier, Kneeland, and Bullard can all contribute right away. The rest offer solid depth and pipeline richness moving forward.

     

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    Mock draft simulators.

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    The argument AGAINST this heavy day two/early day three draft would be a perceived lack of elite difference makers. I'd argue that they all end up contributing in some capacity in first three years, with the top 7 picks all factoring heavily in the Bills 2024 depth chart. Bills have definitely shown interest in top 3 picks.

     

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    I think Coleman is a sneaky important pick at 123; Bills need someone legitimate to challenge/unseat Edwards at LG. The temptation in round 2 to pick an IOL is strong. This draft here is about long term roster and cap health. Which is how perennially solid orgs like GB, BAL, and PIT tend to handle the draft most years. But now how you captivate fans and NFL pundits. 

     

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