[Texas A&M WR KC Concepcion.....I hope he is on the Bills radar.]

1 hour ago, transient said:

Can we PLEASE just trade for someone we already KNOW can play WR? Pegula isn’t moving on from Beane and McDermott (despite the fact that he should) and Beane can’t accurately evaluate FA or college WR talent, so we need someone who’s already been vetted. 

 

The veteran #1 WR trade route is extremely expensive in both draft assets and cap space allotment, and somewhat rare/difficult to pull off. And they usually come with baggage. Think AJ Brown, Stefon Diggs, Tyreek Hill...who else?

 

Remember that Allen was still on a rookie deal when Beane traded for Diggs, making it easier to fit him in immediately and long term.

 

Of course, Diggs then had a career year playing with Allen, and the Bills went to the AFCCG for the first time in like 25 years. So the expense was darn near justified in year one alone. AJ Brown was a VERY similar situation for the Eagles, except they got to the SB (and then won it two years later). 

 

What are other examples of WR1s getting traded? 

[Gabe Davis signed to the 53, Curtis Samuel placed on IR]

23 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

And those teams underachieved too and Reids refusal to run the ball and God awful clock management were frequently the problem in big games. He needed to be fired by the end and he fixed some of his issues when he came back. It also helped that Mahomes is better than McNabb. Coincidentally his Eagle teams also grossly underinvested at WR for most of his tenure, then went and got TO and actually made the Super Bowl. Unfortunately for them, TO got hurt and Donovan was barfing on the field.

 

And though this isn't directed at you, I will also point out the Eagles have won 2 Super Bowls since firing Reid, with two different coaches. The constants have been Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie. Has Beane been able to construct the teams that Roseman has? The Eagles are playing like crap right now and their roster is still better than the Bills. Sirianni was under fire early last year and obviously got it together but they are back off the rails again and people are pissed. He could 100 percent be fired and Roseman wouldnt think twice about it because he's already fired a SB winning coach and replaced him with another SB winner. The change will be made if it needs to be. Meanwhile, in Buffalo, McBeane will go on forever whether they ever win anything important or not.

 

Pegula lacks the personal savvy AND the organizational structure/objectivity to have identified the obvious need to fire McD after 13 seconds or in each of the last two off-seasons when Ben Johnson was ostensibly available. To not hire someone with serious pedigree to oversee football operations in an executive capacity above McD and Beane is the height of Busch League incompetence. Instead, Pegula is the only person evaluating McBeane, which is insane if you've ever listened to anything Pegula has ever said about football. He's an impressionable imbecile about sports. He NEEDS C-Suite layers above his coaches and front office personnel, but lacks the wisdom or humility to admit it. He accepts mediocrity. 

 

17 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

You misunderstood my point.   Hes been a great owner for the Bills.  Look at all the success the team has had including a new stadium which likely keeps the team here even longer.   

 

Meanwhile you seem to hate the guy because despite his success with the football team, youre big mad because they haven't won the Superbowl and the hockey team stinks.   You seem like you'd be happier if they were both sold and moved.   That was my point.

 

Pegula has given the Bills everything they need to be great.  Thats the extent of what owners can do to win championships.  Not winning a Super Bowl is fully on McDermott, Beane and the players on the field, including Josh Allen.

 

Again, if you think Pegula is a bad owner, it can only be about the Sabres because hes been great for the Bills.

 

A lot of guys in Buffalo mad at Terry for not doing more with a hockey team when hockey simply doesnt make him money.     Not sure why its so hard to have an opinion of the guy strictly on the football team?  

 

People want to come on here and call him an idiot.  Who is the bigger idiot the billionaire businessman who wont sink more money into a failing league that has less fans than AEW Wrestling...or the old white guys in the Northeast who still care about the league?

 

 

 

 

Pegula's refusal to bring in football and hockey execs to oversee each operation and provide needed expertise independent of (and critical of) coaching and management is absolutely idiotic. Maybe Kim could have grown into that role (her interpersonal aptitude and general savvy is very underrated to this day), but failing to bring in pedigreed people at the top is just such a huge ongoing nightmare. 

 

16 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Shocking that a businessman wants to make money.   I apologize that Sabre fans live in this fantasy world where hockey is still a "big 4" sport in the United States.    How can you still think that when its routinely outdrawn and outrated by Nascar, and Wrestling?   

 

The NHL is a crap league on the popularity level of the WNBA and College Basketball.   Its a sport relegated to rich white kids and Europeans.    If I were Terry I wouldn't sink my time or money into it either.  Its not worth his time.

 

Owners dont win championships and businessmen arent looking to lose money.   

 

Owners definitely have HUGE impacts on organizational success across the major sports leagues. Teams can have fleeting success without great ownership, but sustained success starts at the top. The Bills drought was deeply and obviously tied to ownership issues and the downstream impacts of those issues, and you can see the Sabres suffering now from that same condition. 

 

12 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I would guess that quite a few of them are actually checked into

 

That would still be the result of the pre-snap solutions Allen is provided by his coaches. I think defenses know how to sometimes force Allen to check into disadvantageous or predictable audibles. It's not like he has the time at the line or the license to pick from ANY play in their arsenal. He isn't running Peyton Manning's Marchibroda offense, unfortunately.

 

11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

God I hope not.

 

I think it's mostly true. But not completely Allen's fault. He's put in bad positions. 

[Gabe Davis signed to the 53, Curtis Samuel placed on IR]

On 11/29/2025 at 12:20 AM, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Trust me if I was putting words in your mouth I'd make sure they made sense

 

I'm saying without Mahomes all the Hunts would have hired was a good HC w a history of choking in big games

 

 

 

 

Sounds like McD tbh

[Is Joe Brady the main issue on offense?]

21 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You're right but a variety of people who know more about football (Cosell, Romo, Orlovsky, etc.) than I do have mentioned that our passing concepts are rather simple and/or unimaginative.  

 

Andre Reed said their passing concepts back in the 90s were "vanilla" because they had the talent to make simple concepts work.  Brady doesn't have the luxury of talented wideouts.  So he should be working overtime to figure out how to scheme guys open. 

 

And doesn't it strike you as odd that pretty much every receiver sees their production go down when they start playing for Brady (Diggs, Palmer, Samuel, Moore, etc.)?

 

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.  But not Brady, he made durian juice.  

 

 

 

Also, the repetitive/pared-down playbook of the Kelly Bills offense was much more vertical and aggressive in nature, so it put more strain on defenders. Like, even if Brady's mesh routes actually work and Allen has the time to wait for them, they're still semi-horizontal routes that don't exactly put safeties in conflict. Allen's arm should be firing lasers downfield on seam and boundary 9s and posts and flags and skinnies and the like...not just crossers and swings and screens and contested fades. Threaten defenses through the air while also slashing them on the ground. Add in mucho motion and play action and let's effing go. 

[Game week thread - Bills at Steelers]

24 minutes ago, Governor said:

This is what watching Terrel Bernard all season does to a person.

 

Bernard had been playing through injuries (plural) this season prior to his obvious arm injury last game...and while that builds upon his growing history of unavailability, it also explains some of his lack of production when on the field. He's still making a bunch of solid reads, but seems to be having trouble turning most of those into impact plays. He obviously can't hold up physically to the rigors of an NFL season at MLB. 

[11/20/2025 Bills @ Texans post game thread]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Props to Brown for playing through a mountain of pain. Respect that. 

 

He was actually hurting the team by not tapping out sooner. At least one or two drives where he was obviously unable to use his right arm, as a RIGHT TACKLE, and Van Demark was available to step in, right? Pretty sure Dawkins was on the field. 

 

Not to mention how coaches didn't get him out of there after the first drive when he was hurt (unless RVD was being used and I'm misremembering?). How is that allowed to go on for so long? 

[Game week thread - Bills at Texans TNF]

16 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

It depends. How does one do against the other? That was the point of my post.  If the line can't open holes and Josh is under a lot of pressure against a really good front then that probably means our line isn't of the same caliber.  This is the sort of game that if you actually have a top notch line you need them to show it.  

 

They didn't run well last week but they pass blocked pretty well after the first two series. Against Miami they didn't have great success running and Allen was sacked 3 times and hit 7 more times.  Against Atlanta Cook ran for 4, 2, 2, 0, 2, 6, 14, 2, 8, 7, 3, 12, 7, 9, 1, 6, 0, 4 and Allen was sacked 4 times and hit 6 more times. Lots of failed runs with a couple long ones to make the average look better but they struggled to move the ball that night. They also struggled to move the ball against New England with a lot of short runs and a bunch of hits on Allen.

 

The way people talk about the line sometimes you'd think they were the mid 90's Cowboys.  Sure, they've dominated some teams and ran over Carolina, etc. but they've not been very good several other times this season.  Maybe I'm a strict grader but for me to consider a line to be that top notch level they are more consistent than that. If they can't open holes or block for Allen this week I don't really want hear "Gee whiz, Beav. Houston has a really strong defense."  it just give more evidence to them being overrated.

 

To the bolded: you do realize that in 17 rushes (according to PFR it's 17 for 87...you have an extra 2 yard run listed), Cook gained 4 or more yards 10 times and more than 5 yards 8 times? And of the 7 unsuccessful runs, 4 went for 2 or 3 yards? So it wasn't really that bad AT ALL. 5.1 Y/A. It was more about not running Cook often enough in that game, if I'm recalling the postgame critiques accurately. Atlanta's pass rush/pressure packages is what was working most against the Bills, who should have run more often and/or simply better diagnosed and attacked some of the blitzes (tougher to do on the road and in a dome). 

 

The Patriots did effectively shut down Cook for 3.3 Y/A. No doubt. When that happens and the Bills fail to counter, I think play-calling and Allen's inconsistencies in diagnosing pre-snap looks (shared blame here with his coaches and what they're expecting and preparing for) are more to blame than the quality of the Bills OL personnel. Even above average blockers can look bad when repeatedly put in bad positions by predictable play calls, a lack of self-scouting, poor game planning, etc. And maybe Vrabel's boys up front just bullied our guys more than I'd like to admit...

[Game week thread - Bills at Texans TNF]

32 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said:

Benching what was basically your first round pick for 2 straight games in his second season when he is healthy is a bad look for this organization. Either he is being benched as punishment for behavior or because they don’t think he’s good enough. 

 

I hear all the time when he is criticized for poor coaching that McD is a great leader of men. Well how come he can’t handle Coleman? This coming after how Elam was handled by McD. McD doesn’t want to win at any cost, he wants to win on his terms.  
 

Beane also deserves blame for picking these guys and not admitting he made mistakes.

 

Benching a 2nd round pick for repeatedly exhibiting bad football character does NOT reflect poorly on anyone but Keon Coleman. Sure, the very high day two pick appears to have been spent on an immature player who isn't taking his job seriously enough. But the draft is in the past. This is the present, and the kid needs a wakeup call and/or to simply step aside for guys who ARE putting in the work and seeing the results. Simple as that. I commend McD for holding Coleman accountable. 

[Game week thread - Bills at Texans TNF]

11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if we turn the ball over a time or two. Texans are 6th in takeaways. Bucs are 5th in takeaways btw.

 

Might be a matchup where it's wiser for Allen to take the early/easy throws if they're available, especially in the first couple drives. He's been passing those up at times and then getting a little sped up and out of sync. Kinda in-between bailing out and holding out for that arrogant throw. He was successful in the first 4 games with stepping up in the pocket early and often (usually to the left). Then it seems like he made more of an effort to stick in there, but in so doing lost his interior escape gap as the pockets collapsed. Feet got a little happy.

 

Dude like Allen needs to impose. He needs to be decisive and vertical in his pocket movement whenever possible, placing defenders into conflict and giving his targets more opportunities to get open. I'll take 3 step laser beams on slants and seams and curls and swings if those are there for the taking, of course. While the rules protect QBs within the tackle box, I think Allen can protect himself better when he's proactive. 

[A Few Thoughts about the Bucs Game - Community Edition]

8 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

OT here.

 

There was not many Bucs fans at the game. Correct? 

 

I ask because there was alot of red in the stands. You rarely see opposing fans at Bills home games. Maybe it was fans wearing the Bills red jerseys. 

 

There were SOME in attendance, no doubt. But I wouldn't say "many." No more than most home games, and less than others. 

[A Few Thoughts about the Bucs Game - Community Edition]

On 11/17/2025 at 1:39 PM, Allen2Moulds said:

 

On the coaching thing, I couldn't help but think to myself, who is calling this defense?   I know they showed McD with a playsheet, but Bobby is still in the booth, and I'm thinking that at the moment, both are involved.  I would love to see Bobby on the sideline and erase all doubt.  To me, the defensive calls felt a lot more like the 1st half against Atlanta.  Specifically remember a 3rd and 12, where we chose to sit back and play soft coverage, and allow the conversion.  It was a very vanilla look, no disguise, no pressure.  I thought to myself, was that McD?   McD is typically more aggressive in those situations.

I don't think we'll ever truly know.  They'll likely continue to say that it's a collaborate effort between the 2.

 

I would love to see a lot more of Shaq and Dorian.  If Bernard could get fully Healthy, Ideally, I would like to see Shaq and Bernard, assuming Shaq is able to play Milano's WLB role. 

 

Question about first sentence quoted: can you think to anyone else? 

 

Comment about second paragraph quoted: 100% agree. Dorian had a few disruptive snaps at the end of the game, rushing on the interior, mostly in conjunction with Solomon (who is filling the Hoecht role of attacking laterally and with very violent hands, to occupy someone else's rusher and to press the pocket and flash in the QB's field of vision). 

[Is it the receivers or Brady]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

It’s both but man to have a guy like Johnson . He gets it 

 

I was wearing out friends and family with my desire to replace McDermott with Johnson for the last two offseasons, to be honest. Crushes me that we haven't paired a HOF QB unicorn with a young, aggressive, PROgressive offensive mind like Ben Johnson. Someone from the McVay/Shanahan/Kubiak trees and/or college ranks, which is Johnson's exact pedigree. Someone to redirect organization focus onto forward thinking approaches to everything, with a specific emphasis on QB success. 

 

**Especially love Johnson's response here when thinking of Allen's particular passing skillset: he is not a guy who naturally excels at the jump ball or back shoulder throws. He's a guy who really likes to see the separation. (I'm sure he and Diggs had a bunch of pitches and catches that disprove all this, but then again, that would also speak to most fans' frustrations over not stacking the WR room with dynamic playmakers who could be scary working with Allen.) So many midround WRs in the last few years (Franklin, Horton, Tez Johnson, Metcalf LOL etc...man that Justin Shorter pick wtf) who seemed like no brainers could have helped, but of course replacing Coleman with almost any other pick (Worthy, Pearsall, McConkey or a diff position all together) would also be impactful. Shakir was a solid pick. Anywho...

 

Beane has always been a big WR guy by nature. Allen's first WR room was bonkers, in retrospect.  

[Josh Allen doing Josh Allen things, and why we need it]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Listen I would like some more aggressiveness in the offense absolutely 

 

Give me a little bit of tempo too... But there might be a game in January where cook needs to run 21 times to win ... And Josh might only have 27 throws 

 

You're going to have to be able to do it every single way.. if you don't do it on the regular season you're not going to do it in the postseason... Can you win holding a team under 21? Can you win running without throwing good? Can you win throwing without running good? Can you have a game-winning drive? 

 

All of these things are something a Super bowl champion will have to answer.. and actually the bills have checked it off 

 

But I get what you're saying I do want the ball in Josh's hands more

 

Agree across the board. Just can't suffer McD's methodical smothering of the roster's and fanbase's joy any longer. Gotta unleash the beast (Allen) early and often each game to get him engaged WHILE ALSO being able to transition as games play out to a more physical, ball control approach. 

[Josh Allen doing Josh Allen things, and why we need it]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Tom Brady won six Super bowls with complimentary football 

 

I wouldn't say it's a terrible strategy... 

 

Sean McDermott does not sign free agents or draft players... He literally gets the groceries and tries to cook them 

 

He does not bring in the ingredients... We've literally lost by a field goal back-to-back years to the Chiefs who went to the sb

 

They're not that far off... No matter what anybody says... We also got them way more banged up in the playoffs 

 

We went in the arrowhead more banged up and lost by three... We are absolutely able to beat them 

 

Even if I want better wide receivers on the team.. this is a salary cap League.. I would not sacrifice our offensive line for flashy wide receivers andgive Allen the burrow treatment 

 

It means nothing to have those flashy toys when you're on your back and getting hurt all the time.. the best ability is availability.. and keeping our offensive line intact is more important than anything 

 

The Patriots won a couple Super bowls on field goals and another one on a goal line pick 6.. it's absolutely smart to care about all three phases ... Brady won Super bowl scoring 13, 24 ,and 20

 

Sometimes you need to win 24-20... Sometimes you need to win 38-35

 

Super bowl teams need to be able to win any style of game... The bills have shown they could win running.. they showed they could win throwing yesterday 

 

It's a long season and people get caught up in the ebbs and flows... Dalton Kincaid would be one of the most talented tight ends in the league if he stayed healthy 

 

 

Tom Brady was a very different QB than Josh Allen. Allen is a flesh and blood, authentic human being capable of transcendent performances at the highest levels, and with that one will have to endure some missteps and hiccups and frankly bad reps. Tom Brady, on the other hand, is a pod person or android designed for self-improvement, relentless competitiveness, and repeated fundamental execution. Complementary football made so much sense with Brady, especially early in his career when he wasn't great yet. Allen would be better maximized through a more Daboll-like, attacking approach to offensive football. Can sprinkle in the methodical, physical dominance as the game wears on and hopefully a lead is established. 

 

Edit: if we Bills faithful die without ever seeing a TRULY Allen-centric organizational emphasis, it will be a great injustice. Isn't that why a defensive head coach would make sense? McD should be able to cobble together an opportunistic and aggressive enough defensive roster of hungry young dudes and assignment-sound old dudes to sufficiently complement an Allen-led offensive WAGON on the other side. 

[Josh Allen doing Josh Allen things, and why we need it]

The entire organization should immediately be reorganized solely around the concept of maximizing Josh Allen's success over the next 4-6 years. Should have happened after 2021 season, obviously, but I'm even okay if Sean McDermott has some "sudden" phony late awakening in which he realizes there is only one JA17 and his entire career depends on facilitating that QB's success. It ain't about complementary football, outside of needing the defense to limit a sudden change turnover into only 3 of even 0 points, as they did yesterday. 

[Game week thread - Bills at Texans TNF]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I don't even have an issue about him naming people of color. If that's how he lists it's fine. But at least be humble and not include yourself after being in the league for a cup of coffee. 

 

Also, the most offensive thing to me is that if he wanted to name all people of color....pick better ones. Dak over Jordan Love is an abomination. Heck Russ Wilson has a better career resume than Dak. 

 

It was a list specific to 2023, no? Or that's how I was thinking of it. Wilson wasn't the same ferocity of tire fire he had been in 2022, but he still wasn't a top-10 guy in '23. 

[Game week thread - Bills at Texans TNF]

1 hour ago, Mojo44 said:

Thanks to the road grading blocks by Cannonball!

 

Cannonball Adderley is an ELITE football name. 

[Tyrell Shavers reminds me of John Stallworth....]

It's fine to make height/weight/traits-based comps, and some athletes do just resemble one another in appearance and just how they move...but wowza. The internet gives us all an immediate audience for our thoughts, doesn't it? (No disrespect intended to OP.)

[Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field]

12 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Back to the allegations that Coleman doesn't give full effort on some plays... as I've said before, if you watch the All-22 even occasionally you'll see plenty of WRs NOT running full speed and you'll see lots of pass rushers quickly throttle down when they calculate that the pursuit probably isn't worth it... kind of like a lion will know early on whether it's worth continuing to chase the zebra.

 

Stevie Johnson was asked about Coleman's effort last week and said "And people talking about effort, they show one play that I saw on effort. And I mean, you got to really know the game is a must outside release, you know, backside of the play, not involved. Everybody knows that. And, you know, they eyed that one play on Keon. Now, I'm not here to defend like that, but I'm here to be equal with everybody. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, just calling that part out, you know, that wasn't his play to be running hard on. You know, you got to bypass that."

 

Now I understand McDermott didn't exactly come to the defense of Coleman but remember this was in the context of McDermott feeling tons of heat after the loss to Miami and he may have found it convenient to be able to throw some different meat to the media corps for them to chew on.

 

 

Totally fair argument from Stevie within the scope of that primary play example being broadly leveraged in the media. The really unfortunate part probably ended up being Coleman's admitted tardiness after knowing full well the spotlight is on him (externally for sure, but more importantly, internally). He just kept digging. And handed the hounds another bone to chew on. 

[According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch (rumored for Texans game too)]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Sloppy reporting, given that Keon very explicitly admitted he was LATE to a meeting. He wanted to be vague at first but ended up using that exact word. 

[Around the NFL - Week 11 games (no Bills talk in this thread please)]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

Eagles defense is insanely good 

 

NO ONE wants to face this current iteration of the Eagles defense. Looking like the unit that HOUNDED and HARRASSED Mahomes in the SB. Just smothering right now. 

[11/16/25 GAMEDAY Bills vs Buccaneers Post Game Thread]

Just now, Shortchaz said:

Okay, maybe I’m a little sensitive because I feel like we got at least one dude In Bosa. 

 

The guy can play, no doubt. When healthy, he's been an impact edge. This season, he has been impactful at times, and kind of average overall. Been exploited more often than a vet guy like him should have been, imho, but also showed serious flashes when Oliver and/or Hoecht were on the field. Decent QB hits and FFs and TFLs so far. I like the player on the field. Might do more freelancing than our scheme allows for, the more I think about it...

[Aaron Rodgers - possible broken wrist]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm pretty sure medically they are all fractures.. break is not a medical term doctors use 

 

There are multiple different types of fractures

 

Pretty sure medically they don't use the word break 

 

It's all fractures.. could be a compound fracture, a closed fracture, a stress fracture, or comminuted fracture 

 

Average Joe's use the word break... But medical people always use the word fracture

 

And I think here "break" was being used to mean like "complete" break, whereas fracture was suggesting something more like a crack that doesn't go all the way through. I think. (Like a "hairline" fracture, or "stress" fracture, maybe?) Then again, "compound" fractures are definitely a thing and those go ALL THE WAY THROUGH, and out, yikes.

[11/16/25 GAMEDAY Bills vs Buccaneers Post Game Thread]

Just now, Shortchaz said:

I just don’t buy it dude. I’ve been told groot is awesome and he never posts numbers yet Bosa is now your A1 worst player on defense this game? I just doubt it. 

 

I just said he looked really bad in the 1st half, losing contain on several big plays that specifically took advantage of him, while also only recording 1 tackle all game (no other stats). Nothing there to "buy" tbh. Just kinda what it was today. I still need to dive in on the 2nd half, but it's super doubtful he's gonna show up positively, given the utter lack of registered statistics. It's not a crusade. It's just what today was for him. I didn't mention Rousseau, who is in my opinion an underwhelming, complimentary edge player. 

[11/16/25 GAMEDAY Bills vs Buccaneers Post Game Thread]

1 minute ago, Shortchaz said:

there’s just no way that this dude was “really bad” except maybe relative. He is NOT the problem. 
 

 

 

Why is there no way? For a guy who registered exactly ONE TACKLE today, nothing else, AND lost contain on at least a few big plays, how is that not at least way below average for a starting veteran DE? Especially bad for a guy with his pedigree and ability.