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This is really good work! Appreciate your work and your thoughts here!
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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Right.......that is the end of a response to your claims that the Bills division winning results are fraudulent because they haven't had to play elite QB's in their division.
Which neglects the fact that the Chiefs have had a cake walk schedule of non-elite QB'd teams in their division since before Mahomes entered the league 6 years ago.
I know you and @Zerovoltz come here because your Chiefs sites are full of garbage illogical posts from idiots who don't get the nuance of the game. But you're not making much sense here either.
You've determined that to your casual fans eye that the Bills are circling the drain and old. So rather than realizing that the facts are that the Bills have beaten the Chiefs in Arrowhead two straight seasons and have had the highest point differential in the NFL in that time period you are making a broad assumption that they have cycled out simply because they didn't beat your team in the playoffs.
The reality is that they are still rightfully one of the strongest SB favorites. Just like the Chiefs still were even though they blew a 24 point lead the AFCCG and got rid of Tyreek and Mathieu while there was a general perception that the AFC West had CLEARLY improved themselves across the board.......just like the Dolphins and Jets have!
If you aren't worried about the Jets as a Chiefs fan then there certainly isn't any reason for the Bills to be.
For the record....I think the Jets are overrated...both before and after the Rodgers trade. MAYBE if Rodgers has something left the jets grab the 6 or 7 seed....but that is the same situation many AFC teams are in.
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48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah that is the way the draft is. Fans fantasize that they are going to get 7 eventual starters out of every draft.........and in reality it's a good one if you get a few. With the exception of getting a franchise QB it's basically impossible to live up the hype. Then they get depressed by the actual picks. Then when you look at the final results it usually looks like every team that didn't have 2-3 first round picks had a bad draft.
The worst part about the draft is EVERYONE IS AWESOME. All the way down to the guy you get in round 7.
And with the 254th pick, the 49ers select.................Herman Hennyhoo, FB, West Central Rhode Island Tech.
Kiper: "What I like about this guy is he can come in right away and give you a goal line option that is a threat to run or catch, and that will take some attention away from McCaffrey, freeing him up to do even more in the 49er offense. GREAT pick here in round 7"
Herbstreit: "I agree Mel...I think the 49ers just got the next greaat FB...can'tg believe he fell this far...great pick!"
Reality - Hennyhoo doesn't make the team and McCaffrey was always going to be good no matter what.
IF you were a betting man, you'd just say every single pick after the top 20 SUCK and you'd be right 90 percent of the time. I wish there was an alternate draft broadcast with dudes who were mostly negative about why each prospect woun't amount to anything.
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4 minutes ago, SCBills said:
While probably true .. We don’t necessarily have that many open spots on the potential in-season roster. Beane goes hard in filling in the roster before the draft. No sense in drafting guys just to have them poached - which has been happening in recent years.We could certainly use upgrades at RT, WR & LB, with DT, EDGE & S being upgradeable and/or looking to the future, but where are we putting 6 draft picks?
The Chiefs rostered all 11 picks last draft. The idea is you get guys who are BETTER (and cheaper) than some of what you already have.
Also...most teams go into drafts with enough of a roster that if you had to play a game tommorrow...they could field a team and backups.
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I don't think the Bills are moving up. Lack of draft capital....they need to add all the bodies they can as they approach cap crunch coming next year.
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Just a point on the idea there are 15 or less first round grades by a GM.
I don't doubt it...I don't think it's a strong overall class...but One GM's list of 12 1st round grades won't be the same as the next. It's entirely possible that at 27, the Bills could very well be drafting a guy who they had with a 1st round grade.
Another point...again, I agree this class is not at all top heavy, but I think it's probably pretty good because it is deep at CB, TE, and RB..and decent Oline in the mid rounds. Weak at LB.
So just because it's weak at the top doesn't mean a great player can't be had at 27...and it doesn't mean everything after pick 15 is garbage all the way through.
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5 minutes ago, I am leaving for good said:
Your missing my point New York State your still making more money than Canada add to the NFL
32 team revenue pie. Plus the NFL offices are in New York City the League isn’t pulling the Bills out of New York State under any scenario for Canada. The Los Angeles Times talking to a Los Angeles council member at the time trying to get Los Angeles a NFL team named Bernard Parks let the cat out of the bag yet some Buffalo Bills fans still live in forever fear of the Bills moving. Quote “moving the Buffalo Bills out of New York State is to hard and messy there would be court lawsuits and the NFL owners want no part of that.” He also said “ think of the NFL as the old mafia.” “The NFL isn’t messing with each teams 32 territories.” Bernard Parks is a outsider from Los Angeles saying which teams are moveable and which ones would be messy at the time of the Los Angeles Times article. San Diego, Oakland were easy that is why they were moved. St Louis was messy and the NFL paid St Louis settling out of court for Stan Kronke’s mess. Los Angeles is one thing Toronto isn’t that important to the NFL owners like Los Angeles is. The Cincinnati Bengals potentially will be in Canada before the Buffalo Bills. If what you said was how the NFL owners felt when they talked to New York State leaders the Buffalo Bills would be moved already and told to forget building a new stadium. Including that bum Jerry Jones who thinks that the Buffalo Bills play in Northern New York.
It’s not happening because what you are discounting is Western New York isn’t just Buffalo people here. They are Global brand already like all NFL teams today they already have fans in Canada and Mexico already they don’t have to move there. The Bills if they were going to move to Toronto it would have happened already. The Bills are a television show one of 32 NFL television shows so instead of a Brady Bunch television show lunch box you are buying jerseys, hats, t-shirts they don’t need boxes and crap like that the television and streaming packages do that. We sell merchandise a lot of it all over the Globe. Again Denver will be moved before Buffalo. Because they are isolated by the Rocky Mountains Colorado isn’t as financial as well off as New York State same deal in Ohio and Kansas City. The Chiefs can move they don’t have the Stock Market Exchange in Kansas City like New York State. Ok it is irrational fear in Western New York I could guess and make up whatever city. Oh boy the Bills could move A, B, C, D City? They aren’t moving they never were because New York State is a big one population and in one of the biggest financial markets in the World let’s not act like New York State is Rhode Island. New York Bills is basically the worst thing for some Buffalo Bills fans they might have to deal with someday at worse but they will have to accept that like we do with everything else today it is what it is. I realize as a Bills fan I am wrong person because I see everything as the same concept Bills, Bisons, Bonnies, Bulls, Griffs and Sabres etc root for the home team buy merchandise and stuff my mouth with foods and drinks hoping Buffalo wins a championship. The Bills aren’t going anywhere and if they do so what? I watch my Los Angeles Braves-Clippers on television as a 49 year plus Buffalo Braves fan that is Buffalo fan and team loyalty. I will watch and root for the Bills franchise regardless. I am not living in Buffalo Bills moving fear there a professional football team that is all that are supposed to be enjoyed for pleasure not living in irrational fear.
Let me try this agian, because I don't feel like maybe I am explaining it correctly....you keep mentioning merch sales and that New York state has the this, that, the stock market etc...I don't disagree with any of that. I am saying THAT stuff doesn't matter to the owners nearly as much as TV revenue. You brought up the Bengals...so mabye this would make more sense if I just use them as an example.... Lets say some circumstance suddenly comes up and the Bengals were up for sale....Someone...maybe that Canadian billionaire that wants a team.....he buys the Bengals and moves them to Toronto. The 31 other owners benefit WAY more from that move than just keepin the team in Cincy. A team in Canada would almost certainly generate more NFL eyes accross the nation. The 31 other owners, would all share in that increased TV revenue deal from Canada. The US TV ratings would essentially be unchanged. Same 32 piec pie...more money per owner. They pretty much don't share much merch sales..the local teams keep more of that for themselves.. 875 Million and lawsuits is nothing to sneeze at...but in a world where a frnachise goes for 6 billion....it's more likely viewed as just part of the transaction (if you wanted to move the team) than an impediment these days.
I've already agreed WNY is a GREAT Football market...if the basis of all this was on the local market being what drives revenue..NO ONE would ever move the Bills....that isn't where the bread is buttered though. It's media rights.
My whole point is...The Pegulas weren't moving the team....and were good to go with a new stadium, playing in WNY and all that....the situation may still very well be that, but speculation that due to Kim's sudden decline in health....it's worth thinking about what might be possible...and in speculating as such...the local market, fan support, brand...is something to be weighed against the costs and benefits of a move IF.....IF the Bills were to be offered for sale agian sometime soon.
I don't want the Bills to move. I like tradition and stability and rivalries and history. I hope they aren't sold. I hope Kim Pegula recovers and that the pegulas own the team a long time and it stays where it is. But if it were for sale....I'd worry that the NFL would suddenly be very very interested in Toronto.
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14 minutes ago, I am leaving for good said:
This post is all hypothetically. The Bills fan base is bigger with potentially the five boroughs of New York City over Toronto and Canada. Forget New Jersey. New York State doesn’t get New York Giants and New York Jets taxable money. New York Giants are most likely never leaving New Jersey. Again under the high speed train system the Buffalo Bills could stay in Western New York under a New York Bills name change to grow the Bills fan base larger potentially. Toronto and Vancouver will come under NFL expansion franchises at some point like the NBA did again just my opinion. The NFL isn’t giving Buffalo owners who ever they are in the future Toronto and Canada for free. Even the New York Bills scenario if the Bills moved to New York City moving fees would have to be paid. Under that scenario the Bills ownership isn’t doing that nor will they have to. The Bills under the new name New York Bills by staying in Western New York and there isn’t a thing that the New York Jets and New York Giants could do about it to stop the Bills from doing that with no territory fees required because the Bills are still in Buffalo not New York City. A court isn’t going to be able to stop it because the Buffalo Bills actually play in New York State and the Jets and Giants don’t they play in New Jersey. Also the Los Angeles Angels are in Anaheim Southern California OC not LA.
As time goes by I really believe that we will be called New York Bills tried first before moving anywhere smaller like Toronto. Toronto is smaller than the Five boughs of New York. If I was the Bills owner I do that before Toronto. New York Bills advertising in New York City with Josh Allen makes me more money than moving to Toronto. Winning a Super Bowl would also help with this growing the Bills New York State NFL football brand like Alabama or Georgia or Florida college football teams. With the slogan New York’s only NFL football team the New York Bills with a Josh Allen billboard in Times Square would also help with that message. Again the problem is there are too many small timers here in our Buffalo business and political communities. You don’t let a NFL franchise leave New York State only incompetent people do that like the business and political leaders in Oakland, California who are completely incompetent.
You've missed the point of my post completely. The size of the US market does not matter these days...you could move the Bills to Boise Idaho....wouldn't matter because as I said...TV numbers in NON NFL markets are the same as they are in NFL markets. 31 NFL owners don't gain anything because you moved your team.
Also...highlighted above....the NFL would probalby really not want to expand to Canada with new franchises...that's 2 more ways to split the revenue pie. the owners would benefit most if ONE team moved to Canada, and a that drew in a bunch more canadian interest and viewers....and the coresponding NEW TV revenue from that....for the same 32 owners.
Western New York is a GREAT NFL market....great fans...great support....well established...great traditions....all that....and I'm telling you, it doesn't matter. Moving 1 team to Canada is what the NFL would prefer becasue it adds revenue to the existing 32 piece pie.
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7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I hadn't considered it...........but the Bills would not if they thought it was just a dumb mistake and not a result of a potential gambling problem.
The Lions might. They traded TJ Hockenson which made even less sense.
The Bills did have a star receiving back in the 1980's........Ronnie Harmon........who had been accused of throwing a Rose Bowl game with 4 fumbles............and then later had a pass go thru his hands at the end of the 1989 wildcard game in Cleveland which cost the super-talented Bills a victory..........and he was dropped like a bad habit weeks later with zero compensation. Harmon went on to catch nearly 400 more passes for San Diego with a remarkable 10+ yards per catch average but nobody in Buffalo ever lamented his loss for one second. Players who are a gambling risk are pretty worthless regardless of talent.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-29-sp-25-story.html
Well then wouldn't it stand to reason that if he were available for THAT reason, that he Bills should not want him?
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Carson Strong. QB, Nevada a couple years ago
I thought he had an NFL arm (can't run, but good thrower) ....I thought he'd be drafted high....heading into his last year of college...wasn't drafted at all. Hasn't stuck with a team as a UDFA..etc etc.
....Let me be clear. I did NOT want KC to draft him because I am a NO RB in round 1 believer...but think when KC drafted Clyde Edwards Hellaire, that KC was getting a really good player.
And one that's been a polorizing figure around these parts....I thought Terrell Bernard was going to be a really good NFL LB....captain of a defense, green dot type guy. I wanted KC to draft him. Maybe he's still got a chance to prove it.
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On 4/20/2023 at 7:30 AM, Dr. Who said:
So it's basically the NFL would prefer to relocate small franchises to larger markets and collect a windfall. That will always be true. Since Terry Pegula clearly purchased both the Bills and the Sabres to keep them in Buffalo and there are indications at least some of his older children are not indifferent, the hearsay is either specious speculation based on the general principle that a city like Buffalo should always be ripe for the picking or it boils down to ghoulish speculation about Kim Pegula and the punitive nature of the inheritance tax. The whole thing is distasteful and I do not believe either is rooted in anything substantial.
I wouldn't say this is completely true now. Back in the 60's-90's it was the case that moving to bigger markets meant increased ticket, merchandise sales, and more TV viewers/higher ratings.
Todays NFL doesn't benefit by domestic team relocation much at all....just the team owner itself might get a better stadium and ticket revenues, but that doesn't really do much for the rest of the owners.
The main problem, I would assume especially for the Bills....is that the NFL would benefit by having a team somewhere in Canada (almost certainly Toronto) They could reasonably expect higher TV ratings if the whole of Canada had a team (like the Blue Jays are Canada's MLB team) ....the owners would ALL benefit by an increase in selling NFL media rights to a canadian broadcaster.
I would worry that the potential windfall from such a new media deal, along with what would likely be a nice new stadium and expected merch sales and whatnot in CANADA....would render the 875 million buyout to a MEGA billionaire, just a small inconvenience to moving. I'd be wary of that Canadian dude who was/is in on the Commanders sale.
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If he were on the Bills now, having been aquired by a trade up, was injured and didn't play much, and now the 6 game suspension.....would you trade him away? I doubt it.
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Before the combine the kid was a 4th to 5th rounder....for having all these great meausurables..they don't translate to production. He isn't undersized at end, but could be at DT.
Also, he gets some buzz in KC because he's a KC native. So is Felix Anudike-Uzomah, EDGE from Kansas State who gets alot of the same run at end of round 1 all the way throughout round 2. ...but he was more productive on the field.
Personally, I love Kancey.
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
@Zerovoltz I have to ask, why the negative reaction?
I like your write up and thought process....and I like the player. I just don't like it at 31.
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It seems like the conversation is deviating from the OP original question...this isn't a swap out Mahomes for Allen quesiton...at least that isn't what was asked...it's would you still have Allen if the trade didn't happen....and the answer is YES. you would. The draft picks involved in trading up to 7 with Tampa didn't involve the 1st round selection KC traded to the Bills. Also, the Bills were NOT taking a QB in 2017...that's been well documented.
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Pretty much to the point....and it's nothing new...but some people don't want to confront the realities of this...and these same points are also why I said 100's of pages ago that KC was also not in on D hop. (there are a TON of Chiefs fans and podcasters who can't come to terms with this stuff either)
https://twitter.com/sumersports/status/1648397810352398355?s=20
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This is just dumb on Florios part. The Bills are up against it as far as the cap goes because they’ve spent on Diggs, Miller, Milano, etc. Buffalo has been spending!
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15 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:I looked at the first three rounds.
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Enjoying this one from afar....looking forward to seeing what @HappyDays does in this one with my Chiefs.
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On 4/13/2023 at 11:44 AM, BarleyNY said:
Yup. I’ll add that it is worth noting what KC had on offense when Mahomes was drafted. The OL included Eric Fisher, Mitch Morse, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif and Mitchell Schwartz. Offensive skill position players included Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. Since Mahomes was drafted the Chefs have had 18 picks in the first three rounds. 12 defensive and 6 offensive players were taken. Some thoughts on this:
- The defense had some studs, but was more in need of upgrades at the time.
- QB, WR1, LT, C, RT and a stud TE were all under contract. Other than WR2/3 there were not a lot of glaring needs that would require high picks.
- Why neglect to u clyde what KC spent to get Mahomes, who obviously is an offensive player? Two firsts and a third. That would make it 12 D to 9 O. Still slanted toward D, but not by as much.
....your slant of D to O ratio is off
'18 4 of 4 round 1-4 picks spent on D (and this was a BAD draft for KC. 3 of the 4 were busts, and one was barely a JAG, Derrick Nhadi) They of course didn't have the 1, traded away to the Bills.
'19 2 of 3 first 4 round picks spent on D
'20 2 of 4 first 4 round picks spent on D
'21 2 of 3 first 4 round picks spent on D
'22 5 of 6 first 4 round picks spend ont D
That's 15 out of 20. You could say 15 of 21 if you take away the Mahomes trade 1st rounder in 2018. Certainly not 12 to 9 though.
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3 minutes ago, 808 said:
Id urge you to go listen to the tyler dunne podcasts that have had whaley and monos.
they are pretty upfront they your assumption that they were retained and knew they would be gone after doesnt really add up with them.
also terry absolutely gushed over mahomes every chance he could get. But the rex hire got him in a weird spot and i think he wanted to let them do their jobs.
but go give it a listen. I think it would change your mind on how that played out.
Everyone knew that the scouts and GM would be fired. Whaley didn't hire McDermott.
McDermott himself said he wasn't ready to draft a QB and wanted the new GM to be part of that process (he knew a new GM was coming)
Whaley...after saying they had worked on a trade for weeks, and knew they were trading out of the pick ,then says....but it's alway a possibility....well, yeah, in the sense that if they were at 10 and Mahomes was on the board...it was in fact, possible...and so was Watson, and Deshone Kizer, etc.
The Bills, were not in the QB market in 2017.
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First...the simple answer is the Bills would still have Josh Allen almost certainly. I'll explain that below.
Let's once again go back over how that all played out....
Early in 2017, the Pegulas did some wierd stuff when they hired Sean McDermott, a defensive minded HC...just a couple months before the draft. They retained Whaley to help with the draft and all parties knew that Whaley would be gone, and that a new GM would be hired AFTER the draft. This is important because while Whaley and Terry Pegual both liked Mahomes, McDermott wasn't a QB evaluator, and he didn't want to make a call on the next franchise QB until the new GM was in place and they could all evaluate and get on the same page when they made such a huge and important choice. Going into the 2017 Draft, the Bills were NOT taking a QB...even if they had stayed at 10, that pick wasn't Mahomes. It's been well established that the Saints were set to draft Mahomes at pick 11 if he was there....that would be different. I speculate that if the bills stayed at 10, maybe the pick would have been Marshon Lattimore, who the Saints ended up with at 11. IDK. Anyhow...The Bills still would have arrived at the 2018 draft, with Beane and needing a QB. They likely would have had a similar draft position and assets, minus the extra 1st they got from the Mahomes trade. HOWEVER....the Bills did not use draft capital involved in the Mahomes trade to manuever for Allen. That draft capital had more to do with manuevering for Edwards. The Bills loved Allen..and they were in position to get him regardless of the Mahomes trade or not.
So... Not much difference..Allen would still be your QB......Lattimore instead of White?
Biggest difference owuld be Mahomes as a Saint....with Sean Payton.
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6 hours ago, Virgil said:
Thank you so much everyone. That might have been one of our fastest drafts with trades and 3 rounds.
The signup for 2.0 will be out tomorrow afternoon. No trades, 2 rounds.
If you are interested, you will need to sign up again and cannot be the same team. It’ll be first come, first serve like last time.
I'll take the Broncos! (who have no picks in round 1 or 2)
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Tyler Scott is diet Tyreek. (I hope the Chiefs take him, and not the Bills)
I agree that this class is WEAK at the top. No sure thing, no consensus at all on the top 5 or even 10....everyone is all over. If anything, alot of these guys are scheme specifice in some way and are better fits on some teams instead of others.
20-31 are rough places to be in this draft.
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Your one, and only one, draft hot take?
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,,,,,Some people don't know what a hot take is.....I digress. Also some people don't know how to count to ONE.
Hot Take: Clayton Tune will end up being the best QB in this class when it's all said and done. (fire.)