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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
You know what, I don't think a Diggs trade is 100% off the table if they decide he's a little too demanding about his role. That's why the Chiefs traded Hill. He was demanding the ball so they were forcing plays to him instead of just running the best offensive play to beat the defensive coverage. They decided it was better to get a big haul for him and let Mahomes run the offense without Hill's demands in the back of his mind. I wouldn't personally trade Diggs but it's not off the table.
BUT if we did trade him we would need to get back a 1st rounder obviously, and then find a way to get DeAndre Hopkins so we still have a #1 WR. Then use one of our 1sts to draft another WR. If we pulled all of that off I could see myself coming around to it. Still don't think it is actually going to happen though.
KC was going to resign Hill untill the Christian Kirk deal reset the market. At that point, KC pivoted to the trade becasue they were not willing to pay the going rate. They COULD have, but it would have meant squeezing the cap even more. It wasn't about Hills role, although AFTER being traded and having a podcast, Hill said something about his target share (which is pretty silly, he was targetted a TON) Anyhow, once the money and cap didn't work anymore, then they moved on from Hill.
Also...Diggs wouldn't bring back the return Hill did. Diggs is a really good WR, but he isn't as dynamic as HIll and he's more QB dependent than Hill is. Hill has now put up numbers with Alex Smith, Mahomes, and Tua...and you can make a case he helped Tua....which is why the Dolphins wanted him.
FWIW, I think Diggs is with the Bills in 2023. No trade, and certainly not one where you guys get a 1 back from anyone.
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21 hours ago, newcam2012 said:
The Bills led by McD have failed to progress deep into the playoffs. Arguably, Coach McD blew that chance in 13 seconds vs KC. Hate to bring that up but I think it carries validity. This year his team was flat, unprepared, and laid an egg vs Cinci in a huge home field playoff game. Excuses or not much should fall on the coach.
I agree with this in so much as the Bills missed their best shot at a title when 13 Seconds happened. I'd only add that it shouldn't be the end of the Bills chances....but that loss and this years lost marks the end of low Allen cap hits and Beane is going to have to navigate a transition to having a QB with much higher cap hits.
21 hours ago, newcam2012 said:Let's look at KC and Philly for examples since both are in the Super Bowl. KC built up their Oline almost immediately and protected their elite QB. Bingo a Super Bowl win and likely more to follow.
I'm not sure what you meant here exactly...but to clarify.....When KC got Mahomes, they had Eric Fisher already on the roster, drafted in 2013....and he wasn't especially good, although by the end of his tenure in KC had become decent. KC traded for RT Mitchell Schwartz in 2016. At any rate, both were on the roster long before Mahomes. KC notoriously neglected O line in drafts and FA for YEARS. Only after 2020 when KC lost both Fisher and Schwartz to injury, and with what was considered among the worst G-C-G combos in the NFL...they FINALLY had no choice but to rebuild the entire line.
Point here is don't give credit to KC for anything good that happened with the line prior to 2020....KC was in error how they handled that.
It's a minor miracle that they were able to completely rebuild the whole thing in one offseason following 2020 though. Traded for Orlando Brown (who isn't that good, but he's servicable) Drafted Humphrey and Trey Smith in that draft. Humphrey is an All-Pro and Smith is really good. Signed Joe Thuney in FA. Only RT is manned by a JAG now. This remarkable rebuild has allowed the Veach/Reid to avoid what normally would be loads of criticism for neglecting the line.
21 hours ago, newcam2012 said:Yet, this organization is going to run it back. How can Bills fans be satisfied with that? Changes, schemes, philosophy, attitude, etc... have to be made. Teams like KC and Cinci have passed the Bills. Other teams are right there or better. It's time for the organization to get aggressive and assertive not passive. Running it back is passive.
While it SHOULD probably be time to reset and get the cap straight going forward with big Allen cap hits, it does make some sense to "run it back" one more time trying to keep the current window open with Allen/Diggs/Von and maybe some re-signings, with some cap kicked down the road, knowing the reset / reconfiguartion has to come after 2023. You're already on the hook for Diggs/Von anyhow....it's probably the best shot for the next few seasons.
21 hours ago, newcam2012 said:Now is not the time for fans to be complacent. Are you satisfied with nice regular season records? Making playoff appearances only to exit early? Perhaps many are based on the previous Bills history.
As for myself, I want at least a Super Bowl appearance and than a Super Bowl win. Currently, the direction of this team makes that feat distant and unlikely. For that reason, all the coache's seats including McD shouldn't be ice cold!
Again, the best shot was 13 seconds....maybe run it back one more season, but then it's going to be time to reinvent/reconfigure/reset......and that might also mean new coach and/or GM. ...it might be interesting to note that of all 56 Super Bowls, the Coach and QB for every team, hadn't been together more than 5 years. Any coach and QB who doesn't get to a SB in 5 years together, has NEVER gotten to one.
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I have a lot of thoughts on this. (and if you don't like my thoughts, don't read the post)
I am ok with the current NFL setup, although I preferred the 6 team per conference and byes for the 1 and the 2, instead of the 7, with only 1 bye....but I'm good with the current version. I also don't mind the occasional crap team division winner getting a home game. You won the division. You host a playoff game. I also don't need reseeding. you earned the seed you are in the regular season. The NFL regular season is the best because the games are all very meaningful and alot of teams are still in the hunt up to the last couple weeks. IT's great!
I am not an NBA fan, but clearly too many teams make it, the regular season is meaningless and they tell you so by how often they opt for "load management" If you are a sports league where you sit your star players because they are playing too much...you are telling everyone, you are playing too many games....and that they don't all matter. Horrible
The NHL is similar to the NBA..too many games. Too many teams in. The NHL should go to a 50 game schedule and have 6 teams per conference in. Play with fresher players, have the games all matter more, and...perhaps the best part...have your season be playing the Stanley cup finals at the end of FEB/Beginning of march...right before March Maddness. The NFL season is over, March Madness hasn't started yet. You get basically all of FEB to showcase the best your sport has to offer, to a bunch of people still holed up indoors during cold winter. Own FEB. I know, more than any other pro sport, the NHL makes revenue on gate, but put out a better product and have it on TV with more eyes on it and that might improve. Also....shootouts suck.
Last.....If you are the hometeam in an NFL game, playoffs or otherwise.....you are HOME. Any advantage should go to the hometeam. OT shoulnd't have a coin toss. Hometeam gets call on to take ball (or not) and it's sudden death. Wanna win? beat the team in regulation.
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13 minutes ago, mannc said:
I disagree that the Bills “needed” to take a CB in the first round, but I agree that everyone knew they were going to. As it turned out, they probably shouldn’t have.
I would not have thought so at the time, and maybe I'm still not sure, but perhaps the Bills should have taken OT Tyler Smith? He went with the very next pick. Nor really sure what else might have been better than going with Elam.
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4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:
Great. Hope Brandon Beane is absorbing your pearls of wisdom.
Good morning to you to.
I didn't start the topic, just adding some information in here in the spirit of what the OP is saying.
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9 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:
Isn't this the team that drafted Clyde Edwards-Helaire in the first round?
Yes, big mistake in 2020. Tee Higgins was very next pick.
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1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I really wanted McDuffie in the first round. He is just so good. I know the short arm thing, but what he lacked in arm length he makes up with some real savvy. He made a couple of mistakes this weekend, but he is a good one. Ofcourse, they jumped up in front of us through a trade with New England to grab him. I wonder if teh Bills had him higher than Elam or not, but he would have been a really good pick up.
Getting George Karlaftis is just another example of teams over drafting measurables and drafting for need and letting good talent fall to teams in the late first. It happens every year and KC is fortunate in that. You think the Texans or Chargers might like to have Karlaftis over the guards they drafted in the mid first? Heed this warning when you guys are clamoring to reach on a guard or RT in the first. Don't do it.
There is a really good thread here somewhere debating that. There is video of the Bills war room when KC trades up and takes McDuffie. They all look very unhappy and even comment that KC
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If KC hadn't nailed the 22 draft, we wouldn't be in the SB.
This was supposed to be a reset year. Alot of KC twitter and talking heads are clammoring right now about some of the preseason predictions of KC missing playoffs or barely making wild card, not winning division...but if we (KC fans) are being honest, those people weren't just basing that on nothing.
KC traded Tyreek Hill
Lost CB Charvarious Ward in FA (started all year for SF, played very well)
Lost S Tyrann Mathieu (was making too many business decisions his last year, but still good)
Lodt DT Jarran Reed (starter, didn't live up to expectations in KC anyhow)
Lost EDGE Melvin Ingram
Lost MLB Anthony Hitchens (I say lost here, but he sucked, but was the starter at MLB)
Lost RB Darrell Williams (was teams leading rusher in '21 and led in Rushing TD with 6)
Lost CB Mike Hughes (started 6 games)
Lost S Dan Sorenson (another who I say lost, but was glad to see go)
Lost WR Byron Pringle (3rd on team with 5 TD catches 5th in recptons with 42)
Everyone talks about losing Tyreek but KC churned the roster A LOT.
It's understandable to think a team losing this much starting experience and production, would struggle.
It's also notable KC nailed the draft in 21 also. Traded the 1 for Orlando Brown (who isn't that good, but he's better than what KC had heading into 2021, wich was nothing at all at OT)
2nd Creed Humphrey - All Pro Center
6th Trey Smith - Starting guard
2nd NIck Bolton - Starting LB (and is good)
5th Noah Gray - solid contributor at TE
KC also got 2 key starters from 2020 -
2nd LB Willie Gay
4th CB LaJarious Snead
10 high quality, CHEAP, starters from the last 3 drafts, but the 2022 draft is the hallmark.
On top of this, KC did NOT restructure Mahomes this year to kick money down the road, they ate the entire 36 mil cap, which only helps later on.
That's how you stay on top when your QB cap hits start getting big. KC's FA signings have been decent also.
I'm not bragging. I am posting this to demonstrate that the Bills are going to need to do better drafting as Allens cap hits now start to take up a big chunk.
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I agree with the OP. This stuff matters. but I want to put another spin on it...and if this has been brought up in another thread(s) forgive me...I haven't read through them all here.
Damar happening didn't help.
Like everyone, I am so happy he lived and is alive but adding that to a all the other emotially draining events of this season was too much...and here is why I tihink so.
The Bills already had the minor burden of being the odds on favorite to advance to and win the SB in the preseason and your hot start did nothing but add fuel to that fire. When it became clear that Demar was going to live and recover....from the outside looking in, it seemed like that was supposed to almost automatically propel the Bills to the SB....like that whole sequence of Damar dying and living meant that the Bills were all but a foregone conclusion to win it all becaue it surely had to be their destiny and now there was this insirational figure and story added to it...
So in my opinion, the emotial lift from that was basically the kickoff return VS the Pats and then after that, the burden of delivering on all the expectations and fulfilling the destiny that the story says you will....that's pressure. ...add in that a narrative developed that you benefitted from not playing the conclusion of that game...that's alot.
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Fun stat -
The last first time NFL Head Coach with a DC background to win a Super Bowl was Mike Tomlin in 2008 season.
5 non defensive first time Head coaches have won a superbowl since then.
Also of note, In the entire history of the NFL, for ALL 56 Super Bowls..... No Head Coach and QB combo who had been together more than 5 years without a Super Bowl, ever made it to one, let alone win one. ....so if your coach and QB are together 5 years and you don't have a Super Bowl together, you aint getting one.
None of that is encouraging for McDermott / Allen.
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On 1/23/2023 at 4:55 PM, Gunsgoodtime said:
You are not alone. I feel like we regress next year and will be fighting to stay out of the bottom of the Afce. Beane has put us in a terrible place with poor drafting and drafting 3 defensive player for every offensive pick. Not only that, he failed on those picks too. Here we are, looking at a garbage OL, no good reciever outside of Diggs, and a trash defensive line that Beane used most our capital on. Poyer likely gone, and I have no faith in this regime to draft or sign offense
Here is the main problem. (the other problem is that your defense plays worse in playoff games than it's regular season ranking says it should)
I don't really need to go over every single Beane draft pick. They aren't all bad, but somehow Beane did the same thing KC did a few years ago. Drafted a bunch of D players and RB. ignored O line.
It's not too late to fix as you now head into Allens high cap hits, but the good drafting has to start NOW.
After KC completely screwed the pooch in the 2018 draft (just flat out awful draft for KC) they have gotten better up to and including all 10 drafted players making the team this season and having 4 of those start, and 4 more of them play major snaps. Only the 7th round S and the 5th rd OT/OG didn't play.
The Bills need to get something similar going. If you do, you will still be competing for titles.
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Love the irony here.
the regular season is a grind and players get hurt and it pushes the season further into winter so let’s:
play even more games and push it even further into winter.
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1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:
Now we just need @Caesar to comment then our day is complete. Do you have no shame? Nobody wants to hear faux consoling.
I warned you not to read it. That's on you.
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***WARNING*** If you don't want to read a Chiefs fan then skip the post.
1. As long as Josh Allen is healthy, you do have a a chance to win a SB. He's that kind of player.
2. Last years loss was worse. If you win last year in KC, you are hosting Cincy. Cincy wasn't quite as good this year as last and Buffalo was better last year. I'd say you likely win that AFCCG in Buffalo and go on to face a very very beatable Rams team in the SB. (it's also painful that KC coudln't finish off the Bengals at home last year, missed oppertunity for us as well) This year, injuries, bad weather, a guy dying on the field.....your players have got to be emotionally completely spent. You guys must be emotionally exhausted as fans. It was going to be tough to keep getting up for all this. With the injuries and everything that happened, this loss sucks but at least understandable.
3. KC was all in LAST season, similar to the Bills. KC used up the cap, kicked contracts down the road, trying to get one more with the core. It didn't work and led to the Tyreek Hill trade and a big reset. KC got the cap right and didn't kick anymore Mahomes money down the road. ....what you'll need to stay up at the top is get a couple really good drafts back to back. It can be done. KC had all 10 picks make the team, and 4 started all year and a couple others played a ton of snaps. You'll need that kind of thing going on....and you'll end up this offseason parting with some guys you may or may not really want to part with. Don't fret....you have the QB...
last....sorry you guys didn't win today. I was looking forward,.....and have been looking forward to another KC - Bills Allen Mahomes playoff game. I know you all were too. Surely more are coming. Hopefully next year. GO BILLS! (my favorite team when they aren't playing KC)
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.....As long as Josh Allen is healthy, the Bills are a contender.
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TM has paused the sale to KC STM for some reason.
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I just got an email saying they are still working to get STH for KC and BUF tickets....any presale info will come out later.
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Hotel and flight from DFW booked.
I'll see you there Bills Mafia!
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This looks like it could be a situation where you offer AZ a higher pick in exchange for them to eat some of D Hops salary. AZ has the space to do it...if they are going to do a mini rebuild it might be worth it for them to obtain the picks.
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3 hours ago, SCBills said:
Haven't the Chiefs already restructured Mahomes contract?
We still have that lever to pull if I'm not mistaken.
They did a couple years ago, but not this past year.....which is huge. KC was able to eat a whole 35 million dollar hit for 2022.
3 hours ago, beebe said:Yes. But this year's Bills team on paper is probably the best version of the team we'll see in the immediate future. With Hyde and Von, plus fully healthy versions of White and Poyer, I don't think you can top the roster that's put together this year top to bottom. I'd put it up there with any roster of the last decade.
This year's Chiefs team might be the worst we've seen in the Mahomes era, and might be the worst we see going forward a few years too. The Chiefs hit on basically every single draft pick last year, saved a bunch of money on the Tyreek trade, potentially replaced him by stealing Toney from the Giants, and still have some extra draft capital/money to maneuver next offseason.
The Bills will be fine going forward, but would do themselves a big favor cashing in this year.
So, the reaason why this is a big deal. KC already vied 2022 as a cap reset year ...so when all 11 draft picks made the team and many started and contributed that's been HUGE and it's even a bigger deal becasue KC went forward with no restructure for Mahomes in 2022 and took on the 35 mil cap hit. His cap hit in 2023 is 46 mil.....and even with that being the case...KC still NOW has 28 mil in cap space. AND...Frank Clark will be cut saving an additional whopping 20 million more, AND there is a decent chance they cut MVS, saving another 7 million. Having those draft picks essentially hit means KC can do some stuff in 2023....or could possibly leave Mahomes number alone again. The more they can absord as we go, the more that is free later.
This is both WHY and HOW a team with a franchise QB can and should be a SB contender every season.
The Bills don't have to tear it down or make hard choices just yet but a time is coming soon when you have to get that cap straightened out some OR kick until you can't kick anymore and eat a whole season or 2 getting it all right again.
The best part is these are 1 st world problems for the teams that have the Franchise QB...much better to be working this stuff out than wondering where your next QB is coming from, the coaches, FO, and so on.
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12 hours ago, HOUSE said:
The #1 seed is not determined by win percentage
It's also not determined by h2h tiebreakers when you don't finish tied.
11 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:If the NFL wanted to proceed this way, the Chiefs should have randomly had one of their games excluded. Draw a number 1-16, that week doesn’t count for the Chiefs.
one of those games could have been the Bills game. Then you lose the tiebreaker. This place would melt down.
one of those games could have been the Bengals game.....talk about completely screwing the Bengals..KC would get the 1 outright....Cincy would get an L and thus lose any shot they had at better seeding period. THey'd also have lost the division title.
This was not a good solution and rightly was not considered.
Also, lets say the game that doesn't count for KC is Seattle. That game off the board for Seahawks would have meant Packers and Lions instantly eliminated before week 18.
That whole idea was bad.
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1 minute ago, Bills!Win! said:
Rooting for KC to lose their divisional game against the chargers = 4 home games in a row
Chargers @ JAX ....Jacksonville went to LA and destroyed the Chargers in the regular season. I know that doesn't mean a whole lot as each game is independent, LAC are a little healthier now, but that may also have been JAX best game of the year. It will also be Herbert AND Lawerence's playoff debut. Don't know if one or the other has jitters. It's not a forgone conclusion that the Chargers advance. May well be JAX.
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7 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said:
Give me Pitt all day every day
The Steelers are 7-2 this season when they have TJ Watt playing.
They still should be an "easy" out but maybe not as easy as some might think.
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Predict the SB score.
in The Stadium Wall
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KC 31
Philly 17