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.....Drew Lock is similar size and plays a game similar to Josh Allen. Has a strong arm. Poor mans JA? (I would like KC to pick him up as our backup, he's from Kansas City.) The Packers, once the Rodgers thing is sorted out, may be in on him. They loved him coming out of college. I don't think they really believe in Jordan Love as much as they are just tired of Rodgers and ready to move on.
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5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
You mean they didn't have the best O-line in the NFL?
We read that a lot here last year about Tyreek Hill
No. Absolultely not. Worst starting pair of OT in the NFL....but played with what is 1st or 2nd best overall set of G-C-G.
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24 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Can you imagine if the Bills let their top OL test the market?
If you are implying that Orlando Brown is Kc's top OLineman, then you've made a mistake. He's 4 out of 5.
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Just now, ColoradoBills said:
My interest in all this (along with the Tyreek Hill trade) is some speculation on my part, but I'll say it.
It seems to me they a following a bit of the Pats* scheme with Brady. Role the higher priced WR out and bring in the ring hunters or guys
looking to put up number for a bigger contract. With Mahomes (and I personally believe Allen), this is not a bad thing to consider.
Don't pay RBs big money and have a game changing TE. Put a decent line in front of your "elite" QB and let him play.
FWIW.
I completely agree!
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1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:
@Zerovoltzhad a good reply. I think most people don't understand where I personally am coming from.
I think the Chiefs are handling the cap (which is real) in a pretty good way the last few years. They are moving prominent guys in and out at what
appears to be the right pace (and time). Something Bills fans will need to get used to. They also are taking advantage of their success to bring
in some players that a trying to use them to get bigger contracts. The Juju move last year was real good. Not sure if they re-sign him.
All these things I watch with some interest.
After some of my discussions earlier today, let me end with this.
The Chiefs (unfortunately) seem to have a good system. Beane no doubt is watching them closely.
Teams Beane shouldn't be watching are teams like the Saints. They are flailing like two girls fighting in the school yard.
I don't want to say 100 percent NO, but I beleive they are content to let JuJu move on...they have MVS under contract for 2 more seasons and I THINK...just my opinion, speculation ,that they feel like they could bring in another similar player to JuJu on a similar deal and get that same production. Nothing against JuJu...he was fine whille he was here...he's going to make some money and for the rest of his life, he is a super bowl champion...not bad. KC just doesn't need to pay him...he's not special is all.
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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Eager to see what they do @ LT and RT- I’m sure they’ll fill them properly, but if they swing and miss on 2 new guys, I think the chiefs will take a very slight step back. Step back enough to not win the SB.
I am excited to see what they do....it will be hard to put 2 new guys in worse than the 2 they are moving on from at OT
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Not just for the Bills....but I've always thought there are strategic times to take some personal foul penalties and enhance your reputation and as a rough bunch of A-holes....if that is the reputatoin you want...
For example..... If a player has just caught a pass or had a run that gets you a first and goal from the 2 or whatever....just give them an extra pop or shove or whatever....take that PF penalty....it's already going to be 1st and goal from the 2...it's half the distance to the goal and it's already first down....you lose a yard to get a good shot in.
Take one AFTER an extra point...so that the 15 yards are enforced on a kickoff....big deal!
or if you want to make it less obvious....team completes pass or runs....it's now first and goal from the 5 or whatever....as a team...have your D line go offside all together...knock the other teams O line on their ass collectively...they were "drawn offside" half the distance to the goal...it's a 2 yard penalty to knock the whole oline completely on their asses.
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Couple thoughts on this :
1. Obviously Mahomes is extremely popular in KC. We don't like his brother at all, and we tolerate his wife, becasue she's Pats wife. Pats mom also kind of goes little astray on twitter from time to time (nothing like this though) Pat is not his brother, but his brother does this stupid crap becasue he's pats brother. Pat shouldn't have to, but it's going to fall on him to law down the law here....it's clear Pat fiancially aids his brother, and his brother rewards him by being a jack wagon way too frequently, dragging Pat down into the mud. It doesn't look good for Pats mom, who sometimes can come accross as a bit righteous about her beliefs....to have your kid out here forcably kissing a woman like this.
2. Until this happend...like many..I thought he was gay. I dn't have a prpblem with people having varying sexuality...I don't care if he is or not....just surprised to see that he's at minimum Bi, if not straight. Perhaps my own biases are incorrect, but he alwasy came accross to me as effeminent...and therefore homosexual.
3. Pat needs kick his brother out of his KC home if nothing else...maybe the kid needs to move back to NE Texas with mom and get his crap together. ...I don't care...but we only got enough patience to teal with one loony toon family member...and we are choosing to put with Brittnay 10/10.
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The Bills have 3rd best ODDS to win SB next year as it stands.
Vegas has looked over your roster, your FA and cap situation and you still have 3rd best odds because you have Josh Allen.
Your time could be anytime he's the QB.
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Rex Ryan is available
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Hey! I have some unsolicited thoughts on this!
I don't know enough or watch enough Bills D to make any kind of guess on Edmunds. I would say this - While the Bills have not won the SB...you had the 13 second game in a year when you'd have had a very strong chance to win one...and then coming into this year, your team was the favorite and was playing like it until Von got hurt. I think there is a degree of overthinking it since you dind't end up with a title (easy for me to say)
I believe Josh Allen is one of the rare few that can thrive with lower cost targets etc. IF it were me running the Bills....I'd try and put money into thing Josh Allen can't improve directly. And of those things, I'd go:
1. The best O line I could put toghether.
2. Interior D line pass rushers
3. Outside pass rushers
4. Corners.
5. Safety
6. Off ball LB.
7. Skill players. (this isn't to say they arne't important. I just wouldn't spend collectivly, all that much. If I had a Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, I'd do one big contract..otherwise...no. Allen and a strong line and Allen will lift up what you surround him with)
....and I'd also invest in the best O line I could put toether.
Given you've already paid Milano....I'd lean to letting Edmunds go and investing that in something more important. .....again, Idon't know Edmunds value to your system. He is young and I would think his prime years are now...
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Here is the thing about big QB contracts.
If you are paying a QB one of these very large deals, like the Bills are with Allen, the Chiefs with Mahomes....then the QB MUST be of the caliber that he can play at a high and efficient level with lesser talent, or less star power around, and more MEH/JAG types/Rookies around.
Brandt is emboldened here by the idea Matt Stafford just won a title on a team the truly said "F them picks" and got alot of vet talent, kicked alot of that money down the road for CAP ACCOUNTING purposes, and they won. Mahomes, on a large cap hit this past season, and a bunch of rookies, and hodge podge WR corps...won.
There are only a very small number of QB's who can take a high pct of the cap at a given time or over a period of time, and take whatever roster you cobble together.
Kirk Cousins is a decent QB, but he's paid too much / his pay has to account for too much space on their cap to put an adequate enough roster around him to win a super bowl. (rather, it's improbably they will win one with him, not impossible) Dak Prescott...same problem. Kyler Murray. Same problem.
Daniel Jones, Russel Wilson (at this point) Stafford, are QB's all about looking at some big contracts where they might squeeze in a year or maybe 2 of a low cap hit and try and put alot around those guys for a year or maybe 2, and then that's it....
Burrow, and Lamar also about to get huge paydays. When the CAP hits come around, will they be able to put enough together? Maybe. Maybe not.
I don't know where the line is...what the pct is, and what the talent level is, where you CAN or you CAN NOT pay X and win with only X amount of talent, but I strongly suspect that line only has few guys above the high pay/high talent threshold and a whole lot under it.
Guys above this line:
Mahomes
Allen
MAYBE Burrow.
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I don't know where else to post this....but if you guys do a Twobilldrive member mock draft and need someone to participate, I'd love to. Been drafting on a Denver board for KC for 4 years now...would love to do it here too if you guys have one and if you have a spot.
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Couple thoughts here.
1st...McDuffie. KC has a type they like to draft at CB, similar to the Bills...longer, taller guys....so again, I can't say who they wanted (they sure looked sad about KC jumping in front for McDuffie in that war room video) ...but KC went outside the mold because they thought highly enough of his skill set to trade up and get him. KC...justified or not, thought they had to get in front of the Bills to do it.
2nd. Just a note on Mahomes scoring high on this test....back when he was doing visits etc...Gruden LOVED Mahomes...but also, pre draft, KC had Mahomes and Watson both in...it leaked out that Watson sucked on the whiteboard and quesitons, while Mahomes shined. Now....clearly you don't have to be a brainiac to be a really good QB becaue pre massage Watson was pretty good...whatever his test scores and whiteboard acumen....but I think we've seen enough of both Mahomes and Allen to see that their QB intelligence shows up on gameday.
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2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
The Bills?
They have no numbers.
They need Diggs, Davis, and unfortunately, McKenzie to stay healthy, because there is no one on the bench.
Toney is a 1st Rounder, Skyy Moore is a 2nd Rounder, JuJu is a former 2nd Round pick, Hardman is a 2nd Round pick, MVS is a 5th Rounder.
The Bills depth chart is McKenzie a 5th Rounder, Shakir a 5th Rounder, then off a cliff to Beasley, John Brown, Jamison Crowder.
TALENT TALENT TALENT TALENT GAP.
Beane hopefully learned his lesson, signing old guys at the end of their careers at WR doesn't work. I would have thought the Emmanuel Sanders experience would have shown the Bills this.
But next offseason, it was Jamison Crowder again.
KC signed John Ross (9th overall 2017, 1 pick before Mahomes) to a futures contract...so he'll be in camp. People forget, KC signed Justyn Ross as an undrafted FA last year....from Clemson. 6'4. Fast. was a big time prospect. Had alot of 1st round type talk around him before the neck thing, and then foot thing. Had a neck fusion issue, and a foot fracture that needed surgery. Sat on IR all of last season. Now healthy...
John Ross is a pure camp invite...let's see if he has anything to offer type camp body...with upside. And Justyn Ross...If he's healthy.....you see what you have...another high ceiling. low risk guy. KC does this alot.
Neither one is someone they are counting on in 2023, but this is exactly the kind of thing they do....throw numbers at it, with low risk, high reward guys that don't cost anything. I've seen some reports Michael Thomas is on KC radar if he'll come cheap....and he might...coming off surgery...who knows what he has left....but this kind of thing is what I am surprised more teams don't try. I'd think Thomas would be someone the Bills will kick the tires on if the price is right too.
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8 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:
I think there is a real chance that the Bears move on from Fields. He could end up in Atlanta, Carolina or New Orleans. Bears use their number one overall pick to select a QB or trade down a few spots and still take a QB plus collect a few more picks. If Chicago plays this correctly, they can reload at QB and collect a few more early round picks to rebuild their pathetic roster.
IF I were running the Bears..I would move on from Fields and draft a QB. But...I think they'll just take picks and keep him. (Mistake)
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2 hours ago, f0neguy said:
As far as “dismantling”…
With EB going to Washington as their new OC, I expect no changes to the offense whatsoever. Does anyone (Zero) know if he actually did anything or was it all Reid? By taking the new job he will have the opportunity to show what he can do. Probably just brings Reid’s playbook to the WFT.
EB didn't call plays. It's hard to know what he brought to the table, but when you also understand that Nagy and Pederson were OC with Ried in KC, they also didn't call plays and it's not known what they brought to the table too...and they got HC jobs BEFORE KC won any super bowls.
It's been all but accepted as fact that EB isn't a good interview. That said, even if he isn't a well spoken guy, surely EB should have gotten a try at HC somewhere just based on Andy's other OC getting shots. I mean...Nate Hackett, whose resume is apparently being Aaron Rodgers pal, got a HC job. Anyhow....in my opinion, EB has been around Ried long enough as both a position coach and OC to know how this all works. I think he'll bring the playbook but I do think you will get a guy who has been trained to know what to look for when breaking down another teams defense and knows what he's looking at when he sees the players on his own roster and he'll know how to use them. I predict, that EB will surprise some people with what he's able to do.
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45 minutes ago, Success said:
Chiefs fans think they're our new "Patriots." That they'll prevent us from getting to the SB in the Josh Allen era.
They seem to forget: we weren't good during the Brady years. They also forget: even Brady went a decade without winning a ring.
We're good now. And while they think JA is miles behind Mahomes, he ain't - he's at worst, 1b. But I still think when all is said & done, he'll be viewed as the better QB.
I think we were better than them this past year, and that they were lucky we didn't get past Cincy. I think the Bills end up w/ more Lombardi's w/ Allen as QB than KC ends up w/ w/ Mahomes as QB.
I don't care. Fight me.
I don't speak for all Chiefs fans..but I've not said anything at all like this as a Chiefs fan.
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On 2/6/2023 at 12:07 PM, MrEpsYtown said:
Off that list, here are my thoughts:
I think Poyer and Edmunds are our no. 1 targets. Outside of those two, I can't see us working in that top 50.
Germaine Pratt makes a ton of sense as a Tremaine replacement. He's not as big as Tremaine, but makes up for it in instincts. He is a former safety turned linebacker and I just really always liked his game. His RAS was elite coming out as well. He is going to be cheaper than Tremaine.
If Tremaine goes I think they also look at Drue Tranquill. I think Pratt is better, but Tranquill makes plays and will be cheaper than both those guys. he is a little older and has a bit less of a track record from injuries.
A guy I have not seen a ton of people talking about is Juan Thornhill. A former corner turned safety who is very long, fast, and tackles. His RAS score was big time running 4.42. He has been a really solid contributor in KC since day 1 and the projection here is 5.5 million per year? I'll take it. The Bills were all over him pre draft but drafted Cody Ford instead :(.
Finally I talked about it a lot on here, but I think their OL target should be Connor McGovern of the Jets. Plays center or guard. he is still young with a nasty disposition. Sign him, put Bates at LG and stick McGovern next to Brown. He is a former linemate of Mitch Morse and could potentially replace him if he decides to retire at some point. PFF has him at 7.5 per year.
You are welcome to him. He does not play fast, is NOT an especially good tackler. He's a run of the mill starting caliber S in the NFL. And he hasn't been a ball hawk. He's ALWAYS a step late in coverage playing the over deep.
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27 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
OK. I got to say that it seems to me that Seattle will use pick(s) to get a QB.
Geno Smith won't take them deep in the playoffs but is good enough for them not to get another chance for a top QB.
They could easily jump the Colts with Denver's 2nd. Raiders don't have to draft capital to go that high.
If I was a Seahawk fan and they didn't come out of this with a QB I'd be pissed.
Jackson is an UFA. Ravens sign him to the big contract or they move on.
I agree with what you say here about the Seahawks. They ABSOLUTELY should be in on a QB when they have a shot up so high...but they aren't.
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Just now, ColoradoBills said:
Where is Darek Carr in all of this?
UGH! I forgot CARR!
He goes to the Panthers! Frank Reich doesn't like the QB's available to him in the draft.
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Here is how I see the QB's landing for 2023
Including DRAFT. It will take all my tea leaf reading powers, but I am up to it.
In no particular order, but trying to go with bigger names first and then descending.
1. Lamar Jackson. Will be traded to the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta is a star driven market. The owner likes stars. Atlanta overperformed expectations in 2022 and they do have some emerging pieces to work with. Atlanta was in on DeShaun Watson to the end. Lamar instantly makes the Falcons the division favorite in a weak NFC South.
2. Aaron Rodgers. Will be traded to the Jets. I think Carr is a better fit, but Rodgers is a GREAT FIT for the NY media. He'll get tons of attention. The Jets will get the spotlight they crave and a QB, who can still pilot a good roster to a wild card. The Jets are desparate for their most recent rebuild to yeild a post season berth and they'll pay to make it happen.
3. Tom Brady. In the broadcast booth with Fox. For real this time.
4. Geno Smith. Resigns in Seattle. Seattle wants him back and Geno doens't have much of a market outside Seattle anyhow.
5. Daniel Jones. Resigns in New York. Talk is he could come in at 35 Mil. Not cheap, but maybe just reasonable enough for what you get. Either way, they aren't in a good spot at this point to move on from him even if they wanted to.
6. Jimmy G. I do not believe there is a strong market for Jimmy G to start elsewhere. I do see him as someone teams would like as a bridge/capable backup. I can see him sitting through training camp, waiting for some team to incur a big injury. Given this, his fit is limited. Tampa, New Orleans and Houston come to mind. I'm going with Houston because they have the cap, and will be breaking in a new QB. Jimmy would start at least for a little bit possibly.
7. Jacoby Brisset. Resigns in Cleveland. Similar to Jimmy G, but not quite as good. Knows the offense. Knows Watson is no.1 but if he completely sucked, or got hurt, Brisset could at least be sort of OK. Brisset has no market as a starter.
8. Baker Mayfield. SAINTS. It's a depleted roster, they are without picks...and without cap space. Baker will come cheap and this is truly his last and best chance to be a starter.
9. Gardner Minshew. Tennessee. Part of this is about marketing, and the Mississippi Mudflap would be a big hit in Nashville. He's great insurance for Tannehill...or even a good bet to supplant Tannehill. Malik Willis isn't ready...and probably never will be. Minshews best shot to start.
10. Drew Lock. PACKERS. The Packers were the team that Denver had to get in front of in 2019 to draft Lock. The Packers really liked him and my guess here is that they still do. No one anywhere thinks Jordan Love is worth a damn. I think Lock is better and could win that job. It's Locks best shot to get his career back on track, with a team that really wants him around. (I hope he's in KC, but this makes more sense for him)11. Derek Carr (I FORGOT HIM in my initial post!) Panthers. They miss out on trade up for Qb's they like. Sign Carr and further evaluate Matt Corral (drafted in 3rd last year)
DRAFTED QBS
1. Bryce Young. COLTS. I think Irsay has mandated that Chris Ballard get to 1 at all costs and they do.
2. C.J. Stroud TEXANS. Kind of like DeShaun Watson without the baggage.
3. Will Levis RAIDERS. McDouche will be abundantly confident he can take Levis with his physical gifts and coach him up. This years Josh Allen. 1st round traits, 5th round game film.
4. Anthony Richardson. RAVENS. Having traded Lamar, they go get rookie contract Lamar all over again with Richardson.
5. Herndon Hooker. SAINTS trade into late round 1 to grab him.
6. Tanner McKee. VIKINGS. Not going round 1 but Minnesota will want to make a stab at preparing to move on from Cousins.
7. SLEEPER PICK. Grayson McCall - PATRIOTS. They take flyers more often than most. They try out McCall, good size and comp %.
8. SLEEPER PICK 2! Clayton Tune - COWBOYS. Jerry has mentioned spending a pick on a QB this draft.
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Kyle Trask will start for Buccs. They are going to go full on rebuild/Tank. Expect Mike Evans to be traded. They'll take Brady Cap hit and others all this year...look for no.1 overall next season.
Jameis Winston - DENVER! Sean Payton brings in a proven veteran. Not to push Wilson, but to be there for injury to give the Broncos a fighting chance to compete. Sean is familiar with Winston and was able to get decent production out of the guy before he got hurt.
Mitch Trubisky - Arizona. Purely stopgap to help fill in while Murray is out. Maybe Gannon gets a little something out of him.
Matt Ryan - NEW ENGLAND - Goes home to Boston as a backup and mentor to finish up.
Marcus Mariotta - SEAHAWKS. Drew Lock moves on...Seattle gets backup that is good at handing off.
Washington is going to roll with Sam Howell. Maybe they try and talk Henne out of retirement to help EB impliment the KC offense...but other than that...it's Howell. And Heineke.-
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Just now, Einstein said:
No argument that Howie has his mistakes too. I even mentioned it in the post you quoted.
But his sheer volume of great decisions outweigh his poor decisions. You could make an arguemnt that he has drafted more high-end plyers in the last 2 drafts than Beane has in all 5 combined (minus Josh Allen).
Devonta Smith, Landon Dickerson, Cam Jurgens, Jordan Davis, etc. All in the last 2 drafts. And he has Nakobe Dean waiting in the wings for when his defense leaves in FA (as you mentioned).
Smith 7 overall. Jordan Davis 13th overall. Easier to make those picks...up high. Now...if you want to fault Beane for missing on IOL in round 2....I'll listen to that argument. Jurgens and DIckerson were both highly regarded college Centers who had G experience as well. If you need IOL...round 2 is where you ought to be targeting guys who can help, and not flawed DE's.
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3 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:
Roseman
McClay (Dallas) ....look at their drafts...consistantly really good. Jerrah botches vet contracts.
Lynch (49ers) drafts well enough to overcome some misses in round 1.
Veach (KC)
Loomis (NO) Good drafter and talent e v a l guy....reckless contract guy.
Beane is close....in the top 10 without a doubt.
I don't quite understand how much some here are discounting that he did take Allen. That has to count for something. I KNOW that Mayfield and Darnold were off the board, but surely all of you remember all the ridicule the Bills got for making that choice. Mina Kimes anyone? Clearly, at LEAST given the choice of Allen, Lamar and "the other Josh" ...they nailed that. It's FAR AND AWAY the most important part of the equation...and then...they developed him right. Credit for that too! Alot of fanbases are convinced that if their team took Allen, they'd have ruined him.
...just go back to 13 seconds....which was an incredible sequence, that was highly improbable. IF you go on to win the Super Bowl....NO ONE one within 500 miles of Niagra falls is making this rediculous case that Beane isn't a good drafter. He's good. He nailed the most important pick and he's been better than leauge average on many others.
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If they thought anything of Love at all, they would have moved on from Rodgers last year when they would have gotten a haul and not had to sign him to that huge extension. Love didn't suddenly become good between last offseason and this offseason. He still sucks. The difference is the Packers are tired of Rodgers...coudln't win with him last year and can't put or keep a good roster around him with his paycheck.....that's too much to put up with his shananigans for. They want to be done with him. Has nothing to do with Love..