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2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
Newsflash : Bills " make a profit " regardless of who they draft. The NFL isn't hockey. EJ Manuel comparisons are lame. That FO took a QB in a first round that was projected to produce none. That is a far far cry from drafting a player that was top ten on virtually all mocks/ boards. Remind me ,how many teams were calling others to trade up for EJ ? If you think McCarron is likely to be significantly worse than Tyrod, you have vastly overrated Taylor. He's mediocre, and this GM/ HC have clearly changed the team's direction away from settling for mediocrity. And from paying for it. AJM is here to be a placeholder vet, for less $ than his thoroughly average predecessor. He's gone because he guarantees you 7-9, 8-8, 9-7. They are aiming much higher , though that does carry risk of landing much lower. Fear of failure would only guarantee perpetual irrelevance that's plagued the Bills for too long. These guys don't have that, and I'm glad. Too many GMs here have ignored bold moves at QB in the name of not screwing it up. Your comparisons don't hold water.
In 3 or 4 years, we'll probably be about in the same place we were at this time in 2017, with a new HC and maybe a new GM. It has nothing to do with Buffalo GMs failing to make bold moves, especially when both Donahoe and Whaley made bold moves, and everything to do with the Bills organization's continuing lack of commitment to winning, but continue to tell yourself differently if it makes you feel better.
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11 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:
Next year we grab our top WR/RB in the first 3-4 rounds.
And the year after that it will be a new HC and maybe a new GM, and the Bills will return to Square One once again.
10 hours ago, The Red King said:Whose said I was optimistic? The plan for 2018 is to make the defense into a meat grinder that keeps us in the game while hoping our offense can score enough to win. At this point I'm expecting a mediocre to good offense. Remember, just 10 pts. would have gotten us a win vs. the Panthers and OT vs. the Jags. I think our D is better then last year and think our current O, warts and all, still can put up at least 10 on anyone.
The Bills used 5 picks in the first three rounds and got 1 very nice LB, but not the best LB on the board. They left him (Roquan Smith) there for the Bears to take and instead gambled on a project QB that they traded up to get. How does this translate into a "plan" to build "the defense into a meat grinder"?
10 hours ago, Figster said:A J McCarron is an upgrade over Tyrod Taylor in my humble opinion so I agree with you.
Granted McCarron still has to go out and prove me right...
IOW McCarron is an upgrade over Taylor because he's not Taylor ... just like Kolb was an upgrade over Fitzpatrick because he wasn't Fitzpatrick.
25 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:they can't help but be better. i can't wait to watch a.j. get us into a top 10( at least ) offense and
i can't wait to see a top5 defense ...no.2 in sacks, no.1 in turnovers.
i can't wait to see phillips and kyle side by side in the rotation!
i can't wait to edmunds decap gronk!
i can't wait for huges and trent frankenstein to terrorize qbs.
i can't wait to see. a.j. avg. 280 at least per game.
i can't wait to host a playoff game!
ROTFLMAO. Stoking your unbridled optimism is exactly what the Bills' plan is for 2018 ... and 2019 ... and 2020 ... and evermore...
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12 hours ago, The Red King said:
Three picks into the draft and I think Beane's plan for the Bills is coming into focus. It's obviously a multi-year project, but talk of this upcoming season being a sacrifice or a wash is about as accurate as last season being a tank job. The off-season and draft have helped reshape the roster, and the culture. Players who were seen as problematic or lazy are being shipped off and replaced with solid, hard workers. We passed on Rosen because he lacks the character that Buffalo is after. Last season the Bills overachieved with a "Us vs. the World" mentality, with each player being a cog in the machine. Beane and McD are looking for players with a matching mindset. Rosen whined about not being picked in the top #3, Phillips makes it sound like he's unworthy to breath the same air as a player like Williams. Character.
The plan for the future is rapidly shaping up as follows:
2018 - Same plan as 2017. The defense has been beefed up with FA pickups and draft picks. The idea being, defense keeps them in the game, offense scrapes out a win. AJ will lead the offense while Allen takes the time to learn and develop. We can only hope the offense and defense are better then last year's. I think they're going to surprise people and contend for a playoff spot, but I don't think they're going to be an elite team quite yet.
2019 - Endgame. With the defense far more secure, a vast amount of freed up FA money and Josh Allen ready to take the reigns...the Bills focus on offense, buying and drafting the tools to put around Allen so he can succeed. The defense will still be the Mean Machine from 2018, but the offense will be shaped for Allen. The team shifts from relying on that defense and hoping the offense can at least put up enough to win...and instead looks like a proper elite team which finally looks every bit as dangerous on the offensive side as it does on the defense.
...at least, that appears to be the plan. Time will tell if it works. I'm just excited we have a plan, rather then throwing darts at a dart board hoping something sticks. What's more impressive is how this plan seems to be keeping us at least competitive even when rebuilding from rubbish. We're going to be a better team this season then people expect. After all these years it is wonderfully refreshing watching a front office with an actual plan, successful or not.
Well, that's what the Bills want you to believe so you'll continue to fill the stadium, buy the merchandise, pressure state and local officials to give more concessions on any stadium issues, etc. The reality is that the "new" plan is essentially just the "old" plan in a shiny new wrapper with a different name. It's simply a reprise of 2013.
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
Yes but calling him to be benched for...whom? Unless there's a better option on the team, there won't be many calls to bench him.
Wasn't that the reason that the Bills traded Taylor? To clear the field for whatever rookie QB they drafted no matter how poorly he performed? AJ McCarron has started fewer than 10 games in his entire NFL career. Peterman's one start was a disaster, and he didn't redeem himself in his other appearances.
The Bills' actions in 2018 are eerily similar to what they did in 2013 to clear the field for EJ Manuel: replace a serviceable veteran QB, bring in a backup likely to be significantly worse than the former starter, and then draft a project first round QB to excite fans. I really thought after the events of last year that the Bills had actually changed their corporate culture to put the winning ahead of profit, but while the names and faces have changed, the "Bills way" apparently continues unabated.
That's what is depressing about the Allen pick: for all the talk about "process" and other bull ****, it's just the same old, same old for the Bills. I hope Allen is successful but I'm not optimistic about his future because first round project QBs simply don't do well in the NFL ... or about the Bills' prospects about becoming a regular playoff contender.
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Whistling past the graveyard ...
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6 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
The only logical explanation for taking a RB over a QB in that situation -- i.e., getting the #2 pick in a great QB draft while currently relying on an aging, average QB -- is if they really believe in Davis Webb. They may. I thought he was good in college.
But I've never gotten the sense that the Giants are big believers in him. If they aren't, what they did makes zero sense from a long-term franchise-building perspective. Sam Darnold is good, and he was right there for them.If I were Gettleman, I'd have taken the best player in the draft over QBs who all had big question marks about them, too. Give Eli some help in the form of protection, a running game, and a defense, and he's about as clutch as they come as his two SB victories over the Pats demonstrates. The Giants have been busily collecting the pieces to surround Eli all off-season, and Saquan is another one -- probably a big piece.
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1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:
I dont know, reading Bill's fans comments and thoughts on Taylor here before he was dealt and most would argue that just about anyone could be an improvement over Taylor....
A lot of Bills fans felt the same way about Ryan Fitzpatrick, too ...
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3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
I don't think anyone will deny he needs to develop aspects of his game if he's going to be the answer long-term at QB. What I don't understand is why you'd rule out the possibility that he WILL develop and keep harping on his deficiencies that have been articulated ad nauseum pre draft.
Because Allen was unimpressive in college except for his physical attributes. On the important factors that separate successful NFL QBs from successful collegiate QBs, Allen is behind the 8 ball. His college career was not particularly impressive despite playing against competition that's most charitably described as "weak" ... and the Bills not only traded up to get him, but were apparently willing to trade away more simply on a hope that he becomes the first "raw" QB prospect taken in the first round to be successful in the NFL in decades.
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24 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
One word. Neither were the generational talents Allen is. Allen is a legitiment franchise potential Qb in any draft. Losman was a consilation price and Ej had the most to work with in a terrible qb draft.
What, exactly, makes Allen a "generational talent"? He's got size, a big arm, and some mobility. Whoopty-doo. So did any number of collegiate QBs who failed in the NFL. It takes more than that, and Allen hasn't demonstrated that he's got more.
5 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said:Uh... one of these guys is not like the others. Joe Flacco has a freakin' Super Bowl ring. Dalton's 0-4 in the playoffs and Tannehill's still dreaming about the playoffs.
As all three have demonstrated in their careers, they are decent NFL QBs who can take their teams to the playoffs with the right personnel around them and can even win the Super Bowl in the right circumstances, but they're not in the same class as Rodgers or Brees or even guys like Roethlisberger or Stafford.
Actually, I believe that the Carp did make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016 BTW.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
Sure but EJ's career wouldn't have been saved if he had had a stronger arm. That's the problem with picking Allen. A strong arm isn't enough. We just have to hope he develops.
And therein is my problem with Allen: we traded up for somebody we have to hope develops. I would have been much more accepting of taking him at #12 than at #7. I just think that Beane has set the franchise back significantly unless Allen comes through and is at least as good as Flacco, Dalton or Tannehill.
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2 hours ago, Mat68 said:
Neither were considered as highly of as Allen. They just were not.
Allen, like Losman and Manuel, is a project considered "raw", and the track record of first round "projects" is terrible. Few, if any, first round projects in the last 30 years or so have been successful. I'm not optimistic about him developing into a successful NFL QB.
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6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. For instance: A #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert.
I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?
After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?
I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.
GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently your "many years" don't include the JP Losman and EJ Manuel eras.
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55 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said:
Trust me, if we hadn't traded up, both of those guys would have been gone. After we took Allen, it changed the rest of the 1st round as far as QB's go. Arizona traded up to get Rosen and I believe if Miami didn't take Allen, someone else would have traded up. I don't believe either one of those guys would have been there at 12. I could be wrong, but obviously the Bills thought the same thing.
What do you know about anything that I should "trust you" about anything? The top six picks went pretty much as I had expected all along, so my thoughts have more merit than yours. My thoughts are that if the Bills didn't panic, they miscalculated and paid more than they should have for Allen. IMO, Allen would have been there at #12. Even if Arizona had traded up, they would have taken Rosen anyways.
- The only 2 QBs went in the top 5, to Cleveland and Jests, making all the soothsayers claiming that 4 of the first 5 picks would be QBs look like fools. Darnold wasn't the #1 choice.
- The Giants went for Barkley rather than a QB, as anybody with half a brain or wasn't hyping QBs figured they would.
- Cleveland wanted too much for their #4, and with no takers, they went defense.
- Denver was never looking for another QB since they just signed Keenum and still have former first round pick Paxton Lynch on his rookie QB. They had worked out the outlines of a trade with the Bills earlier, but when they had the chance to grab Chub, they grabbed him.
- QB was about the ONLY position that Indy didn't need, and they grabbed blue chip guard Nelson.
Nobody knows how things would have turned out if the Bills hadn't traded up to #7, but it's very possible that if the Bills hadn't traded up, neither would Arizona. Contrary to the hype, there apparently weren't many teams other than Buffalo and Arizona really interested in trading up to take Allen or Rosen. The idea that Miami was interested in taking a QB was the same kind of nonsense that was spouted by the fools claiming Denver would take a QB since they have Tannehill. Contrary to the BS being spouted by the media mavens hyping QBs in the draft, his HC likes him a lot. He doesn't have "durability issues", either. He missed 3 games in 2016 and all of last season with a knee, but starting every one of Miami's games from 2012-2015. More importantly, the Carp have so many holes that they simply don't have the luxury of drafting a QB in the first round as "heir apparent" to an decent starting QB who's only been in the league 6 years.
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31 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:
They'll probably make some moves. They really need to. WR and RT are areas I'd like to see them address.
I think the interior OL is a bigger concern than the tackles at this point. Luckily, interior OL are positions where it's relatively common for Day 3 picks to turn into decent or better players. I also think that the number of trades in the first round suggests that there may be limited top end talent in this draft, especially at some positions like OL, and teams went up and got the best ones early. Usually interior OLers (centers/guards) who actually go in the first round go in the 20s. Nelson went in the top ten and Price went in the top fifteen I think. A right tackle went in the top ten as well, which is not nearly as common as left tackles going high.
Apparently, none of this year's WRs were particularly well regarded, so maybe it's just as well that the Bills look to Day 3 or FA for help there.
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IOW, the OP doesn't actually know anything more than anybody else posting here, and is relying on wishful thinking.
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16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
The are making every effort to do just that.
It seems that way to me, too, but I'm not all that worried about the having to settle for at #12 -- which seems to be the OP's gist -- if they pick outside the top five or even the top ten. I think only 2 teams drafting before them are just about guaranteed to take a QB: Brownies and Jests. If the Bills don't take a QB at #12 or sooner, my guess is that the guy they wanted went in the top four, and they don't like any of the other QBs enough to take one of them at #12 or higher.
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23 hours ago, mattstev said:
What if everything goes against us and we miss the top 4 qbs or don't want to trade up for the one that's left. If we were not going to take a qb with our first pick this draft, what should we do?
Is there anyone else you would trade up for if they were sliding to 8-10, or who would you want to see drafted at 12.
I personally would love if Nelson were slipping to move up a couple picks and grab him. I don't think that's likely but there is a decent chance either he or one of the elite lb's (Edmunds, Smith) will fall a bit.
Trading up for a QB might not be the best thing, either, but trading up for a player at another position seems outright foolish unless it was for a consensus #1 pick who happens to be an edge rusher like Bruce Smith. If 4 or 5 QBs go in the top 11 (highly unlikely), the Bills should have a real chance to grab somebody like Smith or even Chubb or Nelson without moving up.
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10 hours ago, Putin said:
I still believe McBeane will get something done , maybe not with the Giants but Cleveland @ 4 , or Colts/Denver is still a good possibility, all depends ( of course) on what happens with the first 3 picks ,
I'm not a great fan of moving up, and if Beane can't/won't move up, that's okay with me. I answered the specific question the OP asked: what if the Bills don't trade up and at #12 only have Allen, Jackson, and Rudolph on their board. That's gross incompetence IMO because a GM and his staff have to be prepared for virtually all plausible scenarios. Having 3 QBs go in the first 11 picks is a very plausible scenario. It's even plausible that 4 QBs could go in the first 11 picks. In either case, there are probably at least 2 or 3 blue chip prospects at other positions who fell because teams gambled on prospects who aren't nearly as good just because they want a first round QB. A team has to be prepared to take JJ Watt over Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert if that's the way the draft works out.
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On 4/22/2018 at 11:51 PM, Bakin said:
We have reached pick 12.
Only these 3 remain on our board.
You must pick one.
Who do you choose?
Fire Beane ... and maybe McDermott, too. At #12, a team needs to have more options for that pick than 1 position, especially when 1 of those options is a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
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11 hours ago, Carter said:
A successful GM doesn’t trade away his pro bowl caliber, play-off reaching QB without a plan in place. We have an agreement.
We are moving up. No question about it. Guaranteed.
No other options.
This draft will be very telling how long beane and Bald Ginger last. If they fail this draft, they will both be gone in ‘19 after the usually 3 years.
Until we land our franchise qb, I suspect beane is still sabotaging our roster and he won’t last here in Buffalo.
One of the stupider posts I've seen on TBD in a while.
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8 hours ago, KD in CA said:
Oh yeah, forgot that. People love to bash him but I always thought Schaub was a decent QB. Better than anyone who's played for the Bills in many years.
Certainly better than Losman. If you're going to end up with a modestly successful QB (Matt Schaub or Tyrod Taylor), better to take him in the third or sixth round than in the first round, especially if you trade up to get him.
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4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Ok then. Let's look at all of the Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Miami, Penn State, LSU, and Michigan QBs since 1970 who really made it at the NFL level. They are storied programs, and they all generally produced one great qb max. Where Darnold went to school is MEANINGLESS. It is a truly weak inference.
You are totally missing my point. I'm not talking about whether schools produce QBs frequently or not, but how much hype -- publicity intended to boost a QB's draft stock -- the QBs from some schools get compared to other schools. Would Darnold be as highly regarded if he played for Miami of Ohio or Wisconsin or Boston College? IMO, I don't think he would be, but as I noted, he was being mentioned as a likely #1 pick as early as 2016.
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11 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:
So now that there are these rumors, we are all going to start hating Sam Darnold now? Ginger USC quarterbacks never succeed! But he does believe in Jesus...how much money did his parents make last year?
Some fans have a distinct fear of success...I guess they don't want to be let down?
Some fans understand that it's hard to have success consistently when you have a QB who gives the ball away too often.
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17 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
I suggest you list all of the great UCLA qbs not named Troy Aikman. And all of the great Oklahoma QBs. I did research on this, and the only two schools that stand out since the 1970 merger are Stanford and to a lesser extent Cal.
Aikman attended UCLA not USC, which was the team I referenced, and USC gets much more hype than UCLA.
More to the point, I specifically referenced the hype that's been a hallmark of USC QBs in "recent years, which 1989 certainly is not, and how USC QBs have not lived up to their hype when they got to the NFL. Palmer, Leinart, and Sanchez were all supposed to be "can't miss" prospects, at least according to their fans, but only Palmer had a decent NFL career. The hype surrounding Darnold has been even worse than the hype spewed out for Leinart and Sanchez ... and his flaws -- too many INTs and fumbles and poor mechanics -- are among the most frequent problems of QBs who fail to transition from college to the NFL.
Is Beane making the same mistake Whaley made?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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How dare you suggest that the Bills organization is doing essentially the same thing they've been doing for the last 20 years! That the Bills have replaced all the old bodies with new ones proves that. Success is foreordained because the Bills have just drafted their messiah.
//sarcasm off