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I heard this same crap when the Devils were winning a million Cups.
Let me scream this so the OP can understand this........
WINNING IS NEVER BORING.
Truth!
I did think the shot of Carr slouched on the bench and looking miserable in the rain after Shady's TD run was priceless. It's been a long time since the Bills demoralized an opponent. -
Your comparison of Tyrod to Trent Edwards is shameful. He may not throw for 300 yards a game but doing so doesn't make a QB a winner. He is doing exactly what is asked of him. To not turn it over and extend drives with his legs. He made some very good throws that extended drives today and his touchdown throw was beautiful. Buffalo doesn't need him to put up all the numbers because they have the run game and the defense. Tyrod has been smart as the QB. Comparing him to Edwards is simply lazy
BINGO!!! The Bills are a run-first team. They've ALWAYS been a run-first team even when they had good QBs and good passing games. Given that they play in an open stadium in the Great Lakes region, running the ball is pretty much a requirement because there are going to be games, sometimes more than one in the same season, where passing the ball is going to be difficult at best, primarily because of the wind.
Moreover, the current coaching regime is pretty conservative, so they are going to favor short, safe passes and runs that produce time-consuming drives over long downfield throws all day long. The Bills are never going to collect a stable of top notch WRs and pass catching TEs so that their QB regularly throws for 300 yards under McDermott. That's not his philosophy, and I doubt that would change even if he had Aaron Rodgers as his QB. Most QBs who regularly put up big passing stats play for teams that don't have good running games or don't have good defenses.
All the fans out there who think that the Bills are going to turn into a pass-first team if/when they draft a first round QB in 2018 are likely to be very disappointed. It's not the QB who determines the Bills offense so much as it is the HC's philosophy, which is okay with me as long as the Bills continue to win with what they're doing. Having a stout defense and a good running game have been the primary building blocks of successful teams for years.
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Right here enjoying the wins hoping against hope it doesn't end up 7-9
I remember that great 2008 season under my favorite Bills coach, Dick "Play Not To Lose By Too Much" Jauron! The Bills started out 5-2 ... and then went 1-8 the rest of the way
McDermott is a much better coach than Jauron but I'm not convinced that the way the Bills are being built can produce a regular playoff contender. I just don't think that "buying in" and overachieving can trump genuine talent over the long haul since we're talking pro football not family life or something. Anyhoo, I thought that they were a 5-6 win team but I always said "success" this year would only be either 10 wins or making the playoffs. That looks far more realistic a goal for the Bills than it did back in August or September. They have 9 more games to go. Can they win 5 of them? In September, I didn't see them being able to beat the Broncos, Falcons, Bucs or Raiders. I thought maybe they could win 1 of those, but not all 4.
The Bills have yet to play:
@ the Jests
the Saints
@the Chargers
@the Chiefs
the Patriots
the Colts
the Carp
@the Patriots
@ the Carp.
It's not unrealistic for the Bills to come up with 5 wins from that group. The only games I don't think they have realistic shots at are @the Chiefs and both Patriots games but then I never thought that they could go into Atlanta and kick azz there, either.
However, with the bitter experience of 2008 in mind, I'll believe that they get 10 wins and/or make the playoffs when they actually do ...
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I listed a decades worth of 6th round picks earlier: Xavier Omon, Cary Harris, Danny Batten, Chris White, Mark Asper, Dustin Hopkins, Tony Steward, Nick OLeary, Kolby Listenbee, Kevon Seymour and the aforementioned Tanner Vallejo. This wasnt cherry picking a 6th round scrub. It was painting a harsh reality of the type of talent that is acquired in the 6th round.
I would rather put up with Dareus personality than Vallejo and $2M in space. He wouldnt have been on my roster in 2019 but he would have been through 2018. It was a cost/benefit issue imo. I dont for one second believe that Dareus was influencing/poisoning anyone in that locker room. He was a goofball by all accounts. Even if he was lazy and apathetic that wasnt rubbing off on anyone else. They should have tried to maximize his talent or gotten enough value back to warrant shipping him out. If that wasnt the case, which it wasnt, he should have been on the roster until that happened. You had an out after 2018.
I agree. IMO, McDermott and his figurehead Beane are throwbacks to the Jauron years when Jauron and his figurehead Levy got rid of whatever talent the Bills had in order to replace them with JAGs and STers who "bought into their system". Watch it happen. We've already seen it happen with the WRs where talented WRs with NFL caliber skillsets were moved out to be replaced by other WRs with skillsets more in tune with McDermott/Beane's requirements ... whatever they might be. Dropping passes? Being unable to get open? Not being deep threats? Playing for cheap?
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I'm surprised that the Bills were able to find a trade partner at all. The reason they only got a 6th is because every team in the NFL knew how badly the Bills wanted to unload Dareus and most were willing to wait for the Bills to cut Dareus in the off season when they could get him without his contract.
That Jacksonville was willing to trade for a player that the entire league knew was going to be cut after the season says that Marrone wanted Dareus pretty badly, too. My guess is that Dareus is going to flourish under Marrone and that the Jags' D is going to carry that team to the playoffs, possibly keeping the Bills from making the playoffs this year. They're 4-3 and tied for first in the AFC South despite problems on offense with Bortles poor play (although he's improved somewhat recently). The Jags' D is already formidable, earning the nickname "Sacksonville" early on:
- 6th in yards/game;
- 2nd in points/game;
- 1st in total sacks;
- 2nd in INTs;
- tied for 1st in forced fumbles;
Like the trades of Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch a few years ago as well as Sammy Watkins this preseason, it's likely this one is going to come back to bite the Bills in their arse simply because the Bills got so little in return ... and this time traded a player within their own conference.
The 2018 draft better be something special because the Bills are going to need to fill half their team with rookies next season.
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And constantly waiting and giving guys like Losman, Edwards, Fitz, EJ even Tyrod 3 years a time to prove it while taking no shots has serious long term negative consequences too. SEVENTEEN freaking years of them.
It generally takes three years of starting to determine if a QB is good or not, primarily because on most teams the starting QB gets like 90% of the reps, and the backup gets about 90% of the rest. The third guy, on the roster or on the practice squad, gets to crumbs from the coaching staff and generally just impersonates the opposition QB. It's hard to determine how good any backup QB might be in that standard scenario. Other than Flacco in 2008, who else could the Bills have realistically drafted once they had Losman and/or Edwards???
Fitzpatrick was in B-lo from 2009 (started as backup) through 2012. Drafting any of the QBs other than Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins during the time Fitzpatrick was here would have been a waste of resources.
Taylor joined the Bills in 2015. Like Osweiler and Garrappolo, he was really an unknown. He actually took the starting job away from Manuel and the veteran that the Bills had on the roster in 2015. Neither Jameis Winston nor Marcus Mariota were available for the Bills in 2015 but maybe the Bills could have traded up for Wentz in 2016, although like Greybeard, I'm not sure that the few QBs who were both realistically available to the Bills and who were successful would have been particularly successful with the Bills.
People act like the Bills didn't know they needed a QB. The reason the Bills don't have playoff appearances and the reason they don't have a franchise QB are the exact same thing. They repeatedly chose the wrong guy to both run and coach the team. They had a process and all kinds of scouting and I'm sure hundreds of meetings over the years addressing it and spent a lot of resources, they just chose the wrong guy to be in charge who chose the wrong guy to the be the QB, and had bad luck as well.
Put aside the qb position and then look at how this franchise has in general drafted. It's been mediocre. Not only that but the decisions to move up and gratuitously trade picks away for draft day maneuvers has too often not worked out well. It's very often said drafting is not an exact science. That's true. But what is evident is that some teams do it better than others.
After McDermott was hired he essentially brought in his own GM. Our scouting department was summarily dismissed after the draft. I'm not only not worried about this thorough cleaning out of the old guard I am celebrating these coherent organizational reconfigurations.
The Bills smartly have positioned themselves very well in this upcoming draft. This roster is competitive although in my view they are not a not a playoff team. In my view this roster lacks the depth required to go through the rigors of a long season. (Would love to be proven wrong.) I'm just hoping that this new regime drafts well enough to take advantage of their extra picks and give this roster a boost so that it can have some sustained success.
The Bills drafting hasn't been significantly worse than most teams' in the NFL. They have actually been very good at getting talent from later picks and UDFA, so they do find value. The problem is that the Bills DO NOT KEEP MOST OF THE GOOD PLAYERS THAT THEY DEVELOP, and that's been something that's been going on since even before the Donahoe era. It is what the Bills do: develop a player into a Pro Bowler and then send him off, getting nothing or virtually nothing for him while the Bills fill his spot with a JAG or ST refugee.
We have no idea if McDermott/Bean will be any good at drafting. The 2017 draft was essentially just filling needs, not looking toward the future. If Mahomes becomes a stud, he'll get added to the list of the good ones the Bills let get away.
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To your credit Gunner you banged the table for Watson. He looks like a stud. At the same time, Trubisky looks lost, Kizer is worse and Mahomes hasn't taken a snap so we have no idea on him. From the sound of it the Bills are disappointed in Peterman.
My point is it has to be the guy not a guy. If the class is deeper the chances of the guy are greater. The depth of this class, still, IMO is greater. That holds especially true if guys come out.
Brees was old, Bridgewater bad and Jimmy G unproven
This is what so many posters just don't get. Drafting the wrong QB in the first round has serious long term negative consequences, most notably, missing out when "the guy" comes along. It's a lot more serious than passing on Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton. Maybe if the Bills hadn't drafted Manuel in 2013, they would have found a way to trade up to get Carson Wentz as Philly did.
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I think too many posters here ignore reality when they claim that the Bills haven't tried to get a QB in the draft. Drafting a QB isn't the same as drafting a WR or RB or OT. The nature of the position requires that the team have only 1 starting QB at a time, which means that when teams draft a first round QB, they aren't going to spend another high pick on another one until they figure out if the first one is a keeper. If they have a keeper, they aren't likely to draft a replacement until said starting QB is closing in on retirement. Furthermore, a mistake in drafting a high round QB usually has serious consequences.
In 2002, the Bills traded a first round pick to get Drew Bledsoe, a proven starter who had been displaced by the much younger Tom Brady. This wouldn't have been a mistake if the Bills had invested in talent around him and kept him longer. They simply released him in 2005 because they wanted to start JP Losman (who was definitely not ready to play) and he went to Dallas to end his career.
In 2004, they traded their 2005 first rounder, 2004 second rounder, and a fifth rounder to trade back into the first round to pick up JP Losman at #22. That was a mistake. It's likely Losman would have been around in the second, and if he wasn't, Matt Schaub lasted until the third, and he turned out to be a serviceable starter for several years. What was worse about trading up for Losman was that the Bills lost all chance to grab Aaron Rodgers who lasted until #24 in 2005 ... and the Bills 2005 pick would have been #18. They could have also taken Jason Campbell in 2005. Even in a "deep" QB class, ya gotta pick the right guy.
Once the Bills had Losman, they weren't drafting another first round QB until they knew what they had in him. Economically, it wasn't even possible since there was no rookie salary scale at that time. Besides, who was there to pick?
- In 2006, the first rounders were Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and Jay Cutler.
- In 2007, JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the first rounders.
- The Bills did take Trent Edwards in the third, and Jauron wanted him as the starter so the Bills passed on Joe Flacco in 2008.
- 2009 saw Matthew Stafford at #1, Mark Sanchez at #5, and Josh Freeman at #18.
- Sam Bradford, at #1, was the only QB worth anything in the 2010 class.
- In 2011, a supposedly "great" QB class, Cam Newton went #1 followed by Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder. Like 2004, the Bills choices in this draft came back and bit them in the arse: they passed on AJ Green to take Dareus and they passed on Andy Dalton to take Aaron Williams whose career was shortened by injury.
- In 2012, the Bills might have traded up to get RG III but lucky for them, they didn't. Both Luck and Tannehill were gone before their turn. They traded up for TJ Graham rather than take Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins in the third. Like in 2004, ya gotta take the right guy!
- In 2013, the Bills decided to draft a first round QB well before the draft because they didn't want to pay Fitzpatrick, which in hindsight was probably foolish. The 2013 QB class was terrible, they missed two chances to break the Drought in 2013 and 2014 with better QB play, and they probably sank more $$ into QBs than if they had just kept Fitzy (they had to pay Manuel plus Kolb plus Orton) ... and they didn't draft Derek Carr in 2014 because they had Manuel.
Basically, the Bills had realistic shots at good QBs in 2008, 2011, and 2012. Only 1 of those was a first rounder, so claiming that the Bills haven't been "aggressive" enough in pursuing a franchise QB simply ignores who was available and what constraints the Bills faced, some of their own making but most just by lack of opportunity. I'll account them "guilty" of missing badly on Wilson and Cousins in 2012, but then, so did much of the rest of the NFL.
Hopefully, they won't repeat past mistakes in 2018 ... just don't repeat 2004 or 2013: picking a first round QB just to placate an unhappy fan base.
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I've said all along that Matt Moore is a better option and Cutlers injury is likely going to be a blessing in disguise for a dolphins team already with a head of steam riding a 3 game winning streak.
This Dolphins team reminds me a lot of the 1998 Jets, started 0-2 and finished the season 12-4 en route to an AFC Championship game loss to the eventual world champion Broncos.
Gase is a lot like Bill Parcells too with this coaching style and has created a very gritty team down in Miami.
Well, FTR, Parcells never won a playoff game without his trusty side-kick Belichick running his defense ... and I don't think any of Parcells' teams ever got shut out 20-0 much less 40-0, and certainly not in the same season.
Seriously, the Dolphins remind me of a team that's likely to have a new coaching staff come next season. Being out-manned is one thing. Getting whipped by a better team is another. Being disinterested in playing the game, however, which is what the offense appeared to be, says something is wrong in Carpland. Matt Moore's played before, and he never looked this bad. The Carp looked like this was December and they were running for the bus.
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lol !@#$ THE FISH
god that was glorious to watch.
As someone who remembers 0-for-the-Seventies, it was just wonderful!
Did the Carp seem as disinterested in playing this game as they did the game that they got whipped 20-0 by the Saints? In that game the announcers were dumping on Cutler for being "uninvolved", but in this one it seemed as if the entire offense was "uninvolved"... like they all had just come out of retirement.
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Trade up and grab a QB, let Tyrod walk or if he does well enough maybe we can get a draft pick for him. We would have two young QBs and the money being paid to Tyrod can be used on other positions.
I would love to see them grab Josh Rosen, maybe we won't have to trade up too far to get him.
How do you know that there will be even 1 QB in the draft who's worth a first round pick or if the team that holds that pick would be interested in trading it???
A lot of the college QBs from the preseason have gotten tarnished by poor performances and some of the best performers are underclassmen. Advocating drafting a first round QB, especially trading up for one, when nobody even knows who's going to be available is stupid. Trading up to get a QB who's the consensus #1 or #2 pick is very iffy but trading up for any other QB is beyond stupid. Just because a team drafts a QB in the first round -- or worse, trades up for him -- doesn't guarantee that QB will be a success. The Bills have tried both methods when they knew who was available and failed both times. Because they traded up for Losman in 2004, they couldn't take Aaron Rodgers in 2005: they'd traded away their first round pick, #18, to get "their QB of the future". Rodgers lasted until GB took him at #24 or #25.
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Once we've clinched.
During this drought, we lost to a Pittsburgh team playing mostly backups, at home, even though we needed it to get in.
There's nothing that can make me stop expecting tradegy until it's mathematically set in stone.
That's me, too. I was at that game. Willie Parker, some UDFA rookie nobody had ever heard of before that game, ran for 100+ yards. I'll be "all in" when they clinch a playoff spot.
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enough waiting, 2018 is the time to do it with extra picks
2018 is NOT necessarily "the time to do it" if the top QB prospects suck!
It could happen since there's no rule that says that there has to be a great QB in every draft class. Drafting the best of a poor lot only gets you an expensive bust. The Bills already tried that in 2013 with Manuel ... which prevented them from even looking at Carr or Bridgewater. The difference between last year and this year is the defense. As long as this defense plays bend-but-don't-break but don't give up the points, this limited offense does have a chance to get into the playoffs.
I think you are missing Phillip Rivers. He is an elite QB in the AFC along with Brady, BigBen and Alex Smith. May be David Carr is also at a higher level than Tyrod. Everyone else is worse or at the same level as Tyrod.
I used to think Rivers was elite, too, but I've changed my mind in the last few years. He's a very good QB but he needs a lot of support to carry him more than he can carry his team. He's never come up big when the Chargers needed him to do so, not early on when the team was making the playoffs every year nor later when the team was less talented but still capable. More recently, he seemed to be a significant part of the reason why they were having losing seasons. He seems to always find ways to lose games whereas guys like Rodgers, Brees, and Brady find ways to win them.
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Yea. Houston has their QB.
Maybe. Five or six games is simply too small a sample size to decide whether a QB is the real deal or a dud. Remember RG III's brilliance as a rookie or Colin Kaepernick and Brock Osweiler as first year starters? After five or six games, they all looked like keepers, too.
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Im good with Tyrod for now IF hes going to run. The way he played Sunday, is how he needs to play. Forget trying to make him a drop back passer. Let him do what he does. If Tyrod is going to use his legs, Im good. If hes going to try and stay in the pocket and drop back...Im not
I liked what Tyrod did on Sunday ... he was looking to pass first, but he didn't look a gift horse in the mouth when TB game him one. I don't think the Bills are ever going to be a team under the current regime where the QB regularly puts up 300 passing yards simply because they aren't likely to throw a lot of passes and they aren't built to stretch the field no matter who their QB is. The fools who use that as a measuring stick need to face reality.
To the OP, I think that Tyrod is probably the best the Bills will be able to do at QB for a couple of years at least. Even if they draft a QB in the first round in 2018 -- which I will be surprised if they don't -- it's highly unlikely that he'll be a better QB as a rookie than Taylor is now -- and, as we've seen with Losman and Manuel, he just might be another first round bust.
Moreover, I think the chances of the Bills finding an elite QB -- an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or Drew Brees -- in the draft are between slim and none. First, they're rare. Most likely, even if the Bills found a keeper QB, he'd be more like a Flacco,Dalton, Tannehill, Cousins, Rivers than Rodgers, Brady or Brees. Second, the kind of football being played by most colleges today make finding good pro QBs even harder than it used to be ... and it wasn't all that easy given that almost 50% of first round QBs were disappointments or flat out busts.
There was a discussion this morning on Good Morning Football (us retirees can get to watch all the good stuff on daytime tv) about should Washington pay Kirk Cousins or should they take a chance on drafting a QB. The consensus was that a good proven QB on your roster tops an unknown quantity ... especially as some of the collegiate QBs projected to go high in the draft have fallen flat on their faces ... which is what happens just about every year.
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So you think Tyrod will improve in year 3 but Jameis won't? Or won't as much? That seems the wrong way round to me but each to their own.
I think Jameis will be a top 10 QB by year's end.
The way things are going in the NFL this season, both Jameis and Tyrod might be Top Ten QBs by year's end simply by attrition. I think both can and will improve some this year but probably not all that much in the future. The original post I responded to suggested that Winston's future improvement was almost unlimited. I think Jameis is limited by his temperament. I think that Tyrod is limited also but he might improve simply because the situation on the team improved (ie, OL and WRs).
Too many fans think QBs exist in a vacuum, that they aren't affected by their team's situation. When a QB is a real bust, he's probably a bust anywhere, but sometimes decent QBs can look better or worse depending what resources the team provides for them. Would either Jameis or Tyrod look decent playing for Indy this season? I doubt that Andrew Luck looks decent playing for Indy ...
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The Star isnt wrong per se, but Indys defense wasnt very good before the massive turnover, and their previous GM was a widely hated buffoon. Not sure I would heap this much scorn on the new front office this early, especially with the franchise QB perpetually injured - which, by the way, is partially the result of Grigsons ignoring their offensive line.
Their franchise QB has been perpetually injured because he's been sacked/hit so much. Even franchise QBs need protection.
It worked in 2012, 2013 and 2014 for the Colts. I wouldn't necessarily say it's been a failure. Taking a team to a conference championship game is generally considered a success. And three straight playoff appearances is generally considered a success too. The Colts current struggles don't really have anything to do with tanking for Luck. Five whole seasons have gone by since then.
It worked because Luck, like Aaron Rodgers, made up for many of the deficiencies on the team. The Colts still had some talent reserve left over from the Polian years, too, ... and the other teams in the AFCS mostly sucked. Virtually all that talent is long gone now, and the rest of the AFCS has improved.
TY is the best player on the team, and one of the best deep threats in the game.
He shouldn't be pointing fingers like that, but I thought the article was overly critical of him.
The same problems Manning dealt with for a decade still effect the Colts to this day. Garbage offensive line, terrible defense and subpar coaching.
Exactly this.
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Winston is still improving. Both the eye test and the numbers support that. That said I have seen some improvements in Tyrod too... more than I expected at this stage of his career.
I think Jameis is a very good QB now, but I think his future improvement is probably limited by his temperament ... his gunslinger mentalitiy is part of who he is, and that's not something he can really change.
Most QBs, even the best ones, tend to not make huge improvements after about their third years as full time starters. Most of their improvements after they've been starters for three years or so tend to come from more experience or from improved situations. Russell Wilson played really well as a rookie, but he was great as a sophomore and even better as a third year QB. He's probably even better now because of his experience, but the difference between his play between now and when he was a third year player is probably no where near the difference between his first and second year or his second and third years.
I don't think Tyrod's improvement this year is all that surprising in that this is his third year as a full time starter. I had hoped to see more improvement from him last season but maybe Dennison's system actually fits him better. I think he'd do even better if the Bills had better WRs but Clay and O'Reilly seem to have taken up some of the slack. Perhaps Deonte Thomas will, too.
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Gotcha.
One advantage TT has is he was able to sit and learn the NFL game for a few years without being thrown into the "fire" as a rookie. He sat for 4 years in Baltimore. He can sit back, take it all in and kinda have a feel for what he's getting into. Winston has the Bucs hopes riding on his shoulders and he's only 23. This is in no way a knock on TT. The OP asked if Winston is a real QB. He's still a puppy by league standards. He will get better, as opposed to what So Tier says. If we beat the Raiders and Carr has a similar game to Winston, is he now not a real QB?
I didn't say he wouldn't get better. I said I didn't think he would get significantly better ... make more large improvements like he did between his rookie season and last season and over last season. That's because his issues don't seem to be related to things he can "fix" like getting better at reading defenses. He's probably not going to be able to curb his gunslinger mentality entirely, and that's his worst fault. He can exercise more self-discipline as he gains experience, but when the chips are down, he's not always going to be able to ignore the urge to try to force the ball where he shouldn't. Favre played for 20 years, and he never did quite master that either.
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Exactly. JW has a huge ceiling and I'd take him in a NY minute. TT played well today but no need to dump on JW.
Does he really have a "huge ceiling" any more? It seems unrealistic to think that Winston -- or any other QB -- is going to continue to improve significantly throughout their career. Generally, it takes about three years of starting for QBs to reach their best playing level, and from there on, the best ones will increase somewhat incrementally because they get smarter and wiser from experience, but most will stay about where they are, and their bad habits will tend to stay ingrained.
This is Winston's third year as a full time starter, so it's unlikely that he's going to get significantly better in the future or lose the gunslinger mentality. There's not much more that TB can do to help him improve, either, since they already field a respectable OL, a nice contingent of receivers and decent RBs.
Taylor, OTOH, who is also in his third year as a starter, could benefit greatly from the Bills providing him with a better WR corps, better OL play, and, this year at least, a better running game. Is it going to make him an elite QB? Highly unlikely, but it could probably put him on the same level as Dalton, Flacco, Tannehill, Bradford, etc.which wouldn't be bad.
If you watch games around the league, the two common denominators for QB "success" is effective OL play and good receivers. Having a strong running game helps, too. Numerous big name QBs have had disastrous game or are having seasons this year because their teams are lacking in those areas.
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I'm not quite sure what this means. If the Bills draft a "franchise QB" in 2018 (I'm not sure there is one, this year) they have plenty of money to pay the rookie contract. If the rookie turns out to be the "franchise QB" we've been waiting for, Glenn's current contract will be a non-issue, by the time the Bills will need to redo the QB contract.
Maybe you are saying something else.
I was being sarcastic. There are a contingent of Bills fans who are convinced that the only reason that the Bills have failed to make the playoffs in 17 years has been because they haven't had a "franchise QB" and who are convinced that the Bills should procure the #1 pick in the 2018 draft by whatever means necessary so that they can draft this mythical super hero, from "tanking" the season to trading away all the talent remaining on the Bills roster to procure enough draft picks to trade up to the #1 pick ... or top 3, I suppose.
It's also true the Bills asked him to come to the offices to have an injury evaluated before they'd redo the contract and he said no.
Peters wasn't going to sign any contract ever again with the Bills after the Bills refused to renegotiate the unfair contract they offered him in 2006 or 2007. The Bills stood on "principle" that they wouldn't renegotiate the contract that Peters signed for JAG RT or a swing OT money when he was already a starting LT. After his 2008 hold out and subsequent second Pro Bowl season, Peters stood on his own principle that he would play out his contract but wouldn't sign again with the Bills.
Nobody likes to feel taken advantage of, and that was what soured Peters' relationship with the Bills. The Bills had no choice but to trade him then, although if they had been fairer with Peters in the first place or had just accepted that they should renegotiate the unfair contract with a minimum of publicity, the best OLer to ever wear the Bills uniform would likely still be wearing one.
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He got two strikes against himself while he was here and a third would have meant a suspension for a whole year.
He didn't do the Bills any favors for being an idiot.
That's why the hate.
Bull crap. Dumb Bills fans hate on all ex-Bills players who go on to have successful careers elsewhere in the NFL. Marshawn didn't ask to be traded. He got pushed out because the Bills figure that great RBs are a dime a dozen ... apparently just like DBs and WRs ... and, apparently, LTs now.
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Groy is the replacement for Wood should that need arise. I think this staff will surprise you. I think we are loading up to build from the draft with all the picks and wanting to unload overbloated contracts if they can.
Good lord, the 2018 draft better be the best damned college draft ever, so overloaded with talent in every round that Bills can build their entire Super Bowl team just on the players they take with their 50 picks in the first three rounds from trading away every single current player with even a flicker of talent.
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Was elite except when he was injured, which was half his career. I know how much we love injury prone players.
I hope you like crow, cuz you're dead wrong about Peters.
In his 13+ year career, Peters potentially could have played in 214 games. He played in 175 games, starting 165. The last time I looked, he played in 81.8% of the games he could have played in.
2004 5 games 1 start
2005 16 games 10 starts
2006 16 games 16 starts
2007 15 games 15 starts
2008 13 games 13 starts
2009 15 games 15 starts
2010 13 games 13 starts
2011 14 games 14 starts
2012 Missed entire season because of Achilles injury
2013 16 games 16 starts
2014 16 games 16 starts
2015 14 games 14 starts
2016 16 games 16 starts
2017 6 games 6 starts
Jason Peters came into the league in 2004 as an UDFA TE. Since 2007, he's been a Pro Bowler 9 times, every season he's played, and he's been first team All Pro for Philly twice, 2011 and 2013. His ticket for Canton is already punched. He might just be one of the NFL's all time great OLers ... AND THE STUPID ARSED BILLS LET HIM GO FOR A LATE FIRST ROUND PICK AFTER HE'D PROVEN HIMSELF.
So, 4-12 predictors...how's that working out?
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Point 1: There's hardly anything more irrational than a man who thinks he's innately superior to everybody else because of his rationailty, but especially women.
Point 2: I wasn't talking about only this season since I mentioned building "regular" playoff contender (ie, a team that frequently makes the playoffs over a number of years). This regime dumped Gillislee, Gilmore, Goodwin, and Woods even before anyone had a chance to figure out if they "bought in" to McDermott's system, and Beane traded Watkins as soon as he was healthy, but a story now circulating in the media is that the WRs were moved because they wouldn't block. Dareus has been on the trading block since the summer. That suggests the Bills regime is more than willing to sacrifice talent in order to save money, but whether getting rid of any of these players had anything to do with them not "buying into" anything is truth or a convenient excuse, nobody outside the Bills organization knows. I'll give you a hint: if Cordy Glenn goes, you'll know it's all about $$$ and has nothing to do with "buying into" anything.