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Confirmed Nassib signs with Jags. Marrone, Hackett and Nassib finally re-united in Syracuse South. Here comes National Champions!
oh wait.. his best record was what? 8-5. Playoffs? Maybe? LMAO
Don't laugh too loudly. Right now, the Jags have the same record as the Bills, and at the end of the season, they'll likely have more wins. Maybe a lot more wins. McDermott's play-not-to-lose philosophy is shared by so many great coaches, starting with Dick Jauron.
Yes and the Chiefs will move him in the offseason
Oh, yes, they're most certainly going to send Smith packing to take a chance on a sophomore QB who's played in exactly 0 NFL games that count.
This may come as a shock to you but some football teams value winning football games more than just making more profits for their owners. My guess is that KC is one of those teams ... the Lombardi is priceless, and they don't have one.
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I think the Giants have to be added to the list of team potentially dating high and drafting a QB. Eli is old and they suck.
Jags, Jets, Bengals, Colts???, Chargers?, Cards look bad, Niners. Probably left some off.
I think that you demonstrate your superb breadth and depth of football knowledge with this post.
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It's unfair that a millionaire who isn't good at his job is being blamed for being bad at his job? How awful.
He could always, you know...play better.
Well, dude, you won't see any better from Peterman ... or your supposed savior franchise QB next season or the one after that. QBs need protection and targets. Ask Andy Dalton and Andrew Luck.
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I think anyone booing this team would look kind of clueless to me. This team is way more like the rebuilding Jets, than it is a team like the Broncos going for the playoffs and a championship.
Rookie head coach, purging players, sticking with a journeyman QB with clearly having their eyes on the 2018 QB class. That's this years Bills team. What exactly would they be booing? That a playoff/championship calibre team has not been built yet? lol
Crazy, but I can totally see the it happen.
What is "clueless" is simply accepting more of the same bull manure that fans have had dumped on them for the past 18 years. As long as fans don't show their displeasure, the Bills are going to continue doing the same things they've been doing for the past 18 years: hiring cheap coaches every couple of years for OTJT or has-been coaches trying to resurrect their failing careers; continually using first and second round draft picks on DBs, RBs, and WRs whom they send off to other teams through FA or trades; refusing to figure out how to work the cap so that the team can actually keep some of its young talent; and being more interested in putting butts in the seats than in winning football games.
The Bills have been running one of the most successful, longest lived con games in history by getting fans to continually believe that they're sincere in their efforts to build a "championship caliber" team. If they were sincere, they would not be doing the same kind of crap they've been doing for the past 17 years nor hiring the same type of coaches/FO people they've been hiring, either. Hell, McDermott is a Dick Jauron Doppleganger! When the no playoff streak hits 20 in a few years, the Bills will be no closer to having a "championship caliber team" than they are today or were in 2010 or in 2006 or in 2001 although McDermott will likely be gone and maybe Beane, too. Oh, yeah, even drafting a QB in the first round won't be anything new either. They did that in 2004 and again in 2013, but hey, third time's a charm, right?
There's light at the end of the tunnel, though ... "the Drought" has to end sometime. After all, the longest playoff drought in the NFL since the merger is only 23 years (Colts: 1972-1994 and Bengals: 1991-2014).
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Von Miller vs. Jordan Mills... ouch
All those calling for Peterman will probably get their wish ... the Bills best give some snaps to their emergency QB this week in practice.
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I believe I mocked a Jauron comparison thread this past offseason. For that, I am sorry.
I can admit that it's looking eerily similar to Jauron-ball thus far.
As one of the posters who recognized the similarities to Jauron early on when most other posters were gushing over McDermott, I thank you for admitting that.
see no comparison, at all.
Keep telling yourself that.
This defense is infinitely better than any Jauron defense this team had
That's only because McDermott knows you need LBs that are at least the same size as the RBs and WRs they're supposed to tackle. Jauron liked smurfs on the defense and behemoths on the OL. His philosophy -- playing not to lose -- is the same as Jauron's but the details are somewhat different.
No way Jauron goes for a 4th and 1 from the 44...that's a punt all day.
As someone mentioned, Jauron in his first season, wasn't as bad as he became.
This thread is ridiculous.
We all knew this was going to be a painful offensive season and this team will threaten the team record of least points in a 16-game season.
To say McDermott is Jauron after two games experience as a HC is downright laughable.
Most of us don't want to go through this or admit it, but it takes time to implement an offensive system and when you don't have a QB, it take even longer.
Not having a QB severely hampers whatever you can do.
Whatever "offensive system" the Bills purport to have, it doesn't appear to be NFL caliber because it sucks against NFL caliber talent. What kind of "offensive system" doesn't have a downfield component to it BTW?
McDermott has a QB. His QB doesn't have protection because the OC changed the blocking scheme to one that doesn't appear to fit the OLers he has very well, and he doesn't have targets because the Bills FO sent all his WRs packing in the off season. When a team can't/won't throw downfield, they soon can't run the ball either because their opponents put 8 in the box, pretty effectively stopping even the best RBs. Those 8 defenders up close to the LOS then also disrupt the short/medium passing games as well. That's what we saw yesterday.
Teams need to do both, and when they can't, they'll get their butts handed to them most times. It's not rocket science, but it's apparently news to McDermott ... and to Jauron before him.
I bet you won't you think comparisons to Jauron are quite so ridiculous after watching the Bills offensive offense for a few more games.
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Nope, can't hold the FO accountable for yesterday ...or for the previous seventeen years of suckitude.
- When the Bills fire one coaching regime and bring in another that has a totally opposite offensive/defensive scheme than the previous one, how can that be the FO's fault?
- When the Bills have to let their best young players leave because of the salary cap, how is that the FO's fault?
- When the Bills continuously use first and/or second round picks on a revolving door of DBs, WRs, and RBs that they develop for NE or Philly or Baltimore, how is that the FO's fault?
- When the Bills hire has-been or neophyte head coaches and GMs, how is that FO's fault?
- When the Bills trade their best young talent for draft picks because they can't afford to pay them because they're a small market team playing an old stadium without lots of skyboxes and PSLs, how is that the FO's fault?
The only fault of the Bills' FO is its failure to get a "franchise QB" since Kelly retired. All the Bills' problems stem from that. Let them get that elusive franchise QB, and they'll be Super Bowl bound by the next season even if their OL sucks and they have no deep threat WRs and some of their best defensive players are refugees from STs.
Well, the Bills FO will fix that fault in the 2018 draft by taking their franchise QB savior in the first round. It's a going to be a great QB draft with at least 5 or 6 great prospects according to all the draftniks and their amateur wannabees, so the Bills will surely get their man ... and then, watch out Patriots ... you're DOOMED!!!!
//sarcasm off
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1 - Dareus had an ankle injury, which is why he was out for a bit
2 - It's hard to have play action when the defense has absolutely no respect for your rushing attack
Or your downfield passing game.
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To be fair, if I lived in some beach community south of LA I wouldn't be wasting a Sunday on either of these teams either.
I watched parts of both games. Even if they lost, both teams were far more entertaining -- and showed much more promise -- than the Bills have shown. I think the Bills are going to set a league record for punts in a season.
Chargers and Rams struggle to fill stadiums in Los Angeles
I was surprised that the Chargers would have so many empty seats in such a small stadium.
But not only LA, but there seemed to be tons of empty seats at the Bills game and the game in Baltimore that I caught a little of.
This is what I've seen, too, and I think it's something that's going to come back to bite the NFL in the arse sooner than later. That there were empty seats at the Bills home opener on a sunny day versus division rival Jests simply underscores the attendance problems all around the league. From what I've heard, the Jests have been having attendance issues at their new stadium ... primarily because they've priced out the ordinary fans who were the backbone of the Jests fanbase. The newer Jest fans flush enough to shell out for PSLs want to see better than what they've gotten ... and older Jests fans aren't traveling to B-lo to see their team stink, either.
The Bills aren't nearly as immune as some fans think. According to a news story back before the start of the season, the Bills season tickets are down at least 5,000 from last season. I believe that there are individual game tix available for most games, too. It's been seventeen years since the Bills fielded a team that recorded double-digit wins and made the post season. That's a whole generation of potential fans who have never had the experience of regularly seeing the Bills win. There's almost two generations of fans who have never experienced expecting to see the Bills crush opponents game in and game out. Most fans who actually remember "the Glory Years" are staring grandparenthood and retirement in the face ... or are already there. Old folks don't attend football games nearly as often as younger people, and teams that never win -- or win sporadically -- aren't going to attract new fans.
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We knew/know this is what Tyrod is. We knew this wasn't going to be a good offense.
But I think we were hoping we finally had a coach that could manage the game properly. Clock management by McDermott was absolutely embarrassing. And I don't want to hear about how he's a rookie head coach, he's been around this game. He himself said he's been preparing for this for a long time.
It's a tough reality to face that we have yet another head coach who has no idea how to manage the game.
Who is this "we"? You may have been hoping for coaching competence but after watching the fiasco that was the offense in the preseason, I knew that McDermott was most likely a Jauron-clone. I thought that the Jests game would have been a TD-less gem but apparently the Jests are more inept than even I thought, and Carolina not nearly as good offensively as I believed. The good news, of course, just like in the Jauron-era, was that the Bills beat the point spread as they were 7 or 7.5 dogs.
PS: every QB needs protection and targets, even the greats like Brady or Rodgers. Taylor has neither ... and that's not his fault.
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Why do the Bills hate people with talent? If not for that idiotic trade we're 2-0. Does anyone not think he hauls that last pass in EASILY??? We probably also still have Boldin, and at least a CHANCE to score some points today. My ass is chapped about this one...
The Bills hate players with talent because they have to pay them well to keep them ... and the Bills (and too many Bills fans) have 1001 excuses for why the Bills can't "afford" to do that when other teams manage to exactly that.
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I'll be interested to see how Cleveland does against the Ravens, how the Rams do against Washington, and how the Jags do against the Titans. All three surprised me last week: the Browns with how well they played against Pitt and the Rams and Jags with how they beat the crap out of Indy and Houston respectively. I'm not sold on Tennessee being all that good like some of the pundits claim but they'll be a better test for the "Sacksonville" than Houston.
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Jason Peters held out early too and turned out to be a HOF caliber player. In retrospect the Bills should have met his demands.
Donald is the best DT in football, so yeah, you gotta pay him. It's always impossible to know who is being unreasonable behind closed doors, but the Rams should be trying hard to work something out.
If the Bills had given Peters a fair contract in the first place or if they had just said, "mea culpa" and re-did his contract when he found out that they were trying to pay him like he was a backup RT, things wouldn't have gotten as ugly as they did ... and the Bills might have gotten much more production out of their entire offense over the last eight seasons. But that's the Bills' way: maximize profit by gutting the team of its best talent.
Not sure where the Rams will find the cap space to extend Donald and Sammy after this season.
Donald's 5th year option in 2018 is $6.9M
Rams cap space today listed at -$826K http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/contracts/
Y'know, it's really amazing how successful teams always manage to figure out how to re-sign/extend their best players under the same cap that always forces the Bills to let their best young talent leave.
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Stop with the crap about Brandon. It's ridiculous.
It's only "ridiculous" because you don't want to believe it.
They moved up from a C- to a solid B the day they finally fired Whaley.
Not a Sabres fan is leading the vote.
Who, exactly, hired Whaley? Let me give you a hint: the same person who hired Beane ... and Nix before him.
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Marrone quit. Do some homework.
Well, that's the official line. Maybe he did but maybe his situation was made so untenable that he had to leave. People are forced out of jobs all the time through management actions that create hostile work environments. Ask any woman over thirty-five who works/worked in a male dominated profession how that goes.
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You guys don't really understand. People just don't like to go down there. It's South Central LA. I live here. Your average Joe just doesn't want to go deal with the crappy stadium in one of the worst parts of town. I dont know one person that likes that stadium or likes going there. Outside of diehard USC alums and there are a lot of them. Hundreds of thousands.
The actual danger you are in is non existent. But no one likes to go down there.
The real issue is that the Rams haven't been in LA for 20+ years. They no longer have a following there. The LA situation wasn't like those in the other cities that got teams in the 20 years since the Rams left where much, if not most, of the impetus for bringing in an NFL franchise came from local people. Who was agitating for the NFL in LA? The NFL itself for TV ratings and real estate developers. If the Rams can turn themselves around on the field, they may eventually have a successful run in LA but I'm guessing that even the promised new stadium isn't going to save the LA Chargers. They'll leave eventually ... possibly back to San Diego.
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They've been the arguably the worst owners in both leagues since they joined.
F.
I'm so over the "new owners" excuse. I don't quite agree with your observation only because there are some really crappy owners who've been around a lot longer, but I gave them a D for the Bills. I gave them an F for the Sabres because they've done nothing. The Pegulas are working toward the goal of being the worst, though. As long as they leave Russ Brandon in charge of the teams -- and don't doubt that he is -- neither the Bills nor the Sabres will be better than mediocre because the emphasis will always be at maximizing profits over winning football or hockey games.
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Owens and Knox are both most likely to get in and probably most deserving from the perspective of their careers in the NFL.
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NFL trying to spin Watson as "Dazzling" last night, he didn't lose them the game and that is the absolute best you can say about it. Looked terrible as a QB.
He didn't look nearly as good as Kizer did for the Browns against the Stillers. The two rookie QBs taken before him are sitting behind Glennon and Smith, so we aren't like to see them much this season unless the starters go down.
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Marcell will not stop being late and stop being immature when the team starts winning. If 100 mil didnt motivate him, i doubt wins will.
And when will the Bills start winning? It's likely Dareus and most of the players currently on the roster will be long gone before that happens.
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What happened to Dalton? Wasnt he an MVP candidate a year or two ago? In terms of our game for week 3 it definitely looks good for us - a TON better then these weeks 2-3 looked on paper 6 months ago!
Three time Pro Bowl LT Andrew Whitworth is now helping Jared Goff look like a pro QB in Los Angeles and RG Kevin Zeitler is now protecting Deshon Kizer in Cleveland. That's what happened to Andy Dalton ... that's exactly the same thing that happened to Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo. A crappy OL can bring down any QB.
I'm going to be controversial and say I really didn't mind that game. I woke up for the start and then stayed awake the whole way through. I am a bit old school and enjoy some defense and there was some really good defensive play to admire. The offensive line play on both sides was ugly, each team basically has a #1 WR and almost nothing else on offense and the Quarterbacks were both limited to say the least in the passing game. But I don't think it was as terrible as everyone else seems to.
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A lot of punts just means the defenses were on top..... there was some brilliant play up front from both defenses and some bad play upfront by both offenses. I'd rather focus on some of the good.
C'mon, Bill!!! That wasn't great defense ... it was simply terrible offense. Neither Houston nor Cinci has a decent OL, and it showed. It was reminiscent of the gem that the Bills and Browns played in October 2009 where the Bills lost 6-3 at home.
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I asked Jeeves. He told me that the league allowed MLB, NBA, ICC Cricket, and Arena Football. NHL, and NLL owners were explicitly banned. As outlined in the 2009 NFL By-Laws.
Let me guess. You're still fighting the Civil War, and in you're alternative universe, the South wins. Amirite?
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You can bet the FO is exploring every way cap wise to dump him this offseason
They're not going to wait until the off season to dump him. Dareus is gone probably well before the trade deadline if they can find any team willing to give them whatever bargain basement price they set. The Bills are employing their typical negative propaganda about said player in the ever-cooperative local media to prep fans for his departure sooner rather than later. They've employed that tactic in the past, most notably with Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch but also with players who were sent packing in FA.
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Yeah. But Pegula's ownership status is in jeopardy considering that he also owns the Sabres. Can't own two teams.
Since he owned the Sabres when he bought the Bills, I think the NFL is okay with Pegula owning both of teams ... and I don't think that anybody except an NFL team owner can question the NFL by-laws pertaining to who can own teams ... in case you were thinking of suing.
As somebody mentioned, the AHL Buffalo Bisons were replaced by the NHL Buffalo Sabres in 1970. Both were owned by the Knox family incidentally. In addition to the NBA Buffalo Braves, the Buffalo Bisons AAA baseball team left in the 1960s or 1970s IIRC. They were replaced with an AA franchise for a while but then the Rich family resurrected the Bisons on the AAA level in the 1980s.
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The Bills FO hasn't "thought things through" as far as building a winning team since 2001. They shuffle and reshuffle their first and second round picks among DBs, RBs, and WRs that they use as replacements for the previous first and second round DBs, RBs, and WRs that they've kicked to the curb through trades and FA. They sprinkle in a few other positions just so it's not too obvious. They'll also occasionally add big name FAs to con the fans into thinking they're trying to build a winner like Takeo Spikes, Terrell Owens, and Mario Williams. When the fans get really restless, they draft a QB: Losman in 2004, Manuel in 2013, and some college QB to be named later in 2018. The Bills players they choose to extend are sometimes fan faves like Kyle Williams but oftentimes JAGs like Chris Kelsay, but they're seldom the most talented guys on the team.
Marcel Dareus is the rare true talented player they've chosen to pay -- at least for now -- and yes, he is worth his $$$. The problem with Dareus' contract, if there's any real problem at all and not simply FO propaganda in preparation of dumping him before next season, is that the contract is poorly written in its effects on the Bills cap situation. That's solely on the Bills FO because teams that are interested in winning always find ways to not only keep their best talent but also slurp up the younger talent that teams like the Bills, Indy, Cincinatti, and NO can't "afford" to keep because they have morons writing cap unfriendly contracts reminiscent of the early years of the salary cap era.