SoTier
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Colts are probably only a few weeks away from shutting down Luck for the year.
Pagano should not have been brought back and the Colts will be in full rebuild mode by week 6 if they are not there already.
TY Hilton has elite speed. He is under contract for three more years. $11 million in salary next year, 8 million this year.
Would you trade a second in 2018 for TY this year to improve the WR group? A third and Mills, when Henderson is ready to come off suspension??
I wouldn't make a move yet but if they start 3-1 with no credible deep threat emerging, I would be tempted...
I can see the Bills doing this ... and their loyal, brainwashed fans applauding the genius of it: let a speedy young WR walk away in FA, trade away a fast, sure-handed young WR, and then turn around and trade for a speedy, older WR who makes more $$$. I'm sure that the Bills brain trust have concluded that Hilton will fit the Bills' "culture" even before he's on the team.
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if Trent Edwards was still on this team I wouuld see your point. Now it just sounds like a blanket bitching hopelessness. I feel kinda bad for you.
It's one game: the season opener at home against a division rival that not only appears to lack talent but didn't seem all that interested in winning games. I kept waiting for the Jests to fight back, but they seemed content to be pushed around. That says a lot about the Jests IMO, but to draw conclusions about how good the Bills are based on that game is silly.
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We have had head fakes before. Trentative and Fitz off to fast starts. JP deep balls.
This time feels different to me. We looked like an organized, professional football club. 50 yards in penalties? Rex teams could have that in one drive. It seems the guys want to play for each other - the early stirrings of a real "team" approach.
Time will tell, but it really feels to me like we are on the right track. I am sure there will be setbacks, but I like the direction we seem to be headed in. Team plays hard. Pretty amazing.
No, it doesn't "feel different". It feels like exactly what it was: an opening day win over a hapless Jests squad that didn't even put up much of a fight given that it was a divisional game. We learned nothing about the quality of the Bills from that game because the Jests seemed disinterested in winning.
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If the Bills shut down the Pathers run game Bills will win by 10
Cam is a shell of him self 178 yards passing against the 49ers. His shoulder is not right. He was sailing passes all day. Shut the Pathers run down and the Bills will win. You heard it here first. Plus Sean knows this team like the back of his hand. Bills are headed to a 3-0 start.
The Bills have started 3-0 numerous times before during the drought. They've gone on impressive 4 or 5 game winning streaks during that time, too, but the reality is that they haven't won 10 games or more in the same season since 1999, and they've only won 9 games twice. Start crowing when they win 10 games or make the playoffs, dude.
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No, he's not. And no he won't.
Today was a fluke against a bad team. Jaguars will come back down to Earth as soon as next week (although Titans aren't much better).
Believe whatever you want to believe but I watched much of the game, and totally agree that Marrone is a decent HC and will get more out of that team than you think. The Jags looked good, especially on defense where their pass rushers literally overwhelmed Savage on just about pass attempt, and on offense they made Bortles look respectable, which was probably quite a feat. Oh, yeah, they went into the Texans' house and dominated them ... and the Texans aren't the Jests.
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Fish lose their QB for the year and suddenly flatulant old Jay Cutler is going to make them great. Jets and Fish spot us 4 games this year. Just have go .500 rest of the way and we break the streak. Should have beat the Fish 2x last year.
Tannehill is nothing all that special as a QB, which is why Cutler can replace him and look decent. Miami's offense is well constructed and talented, and just about any decent QB would make it click. Contrary to myth here on TBD, a team doesn't necessarily need a "world class" talent at QB if it's got a good offense, a stout defense, and good coaching ... and as Indy demonstrates, a world class talent at QB is wasted if the rest of the pieces aren't in place.
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Sadly, the notion that those who are optimistic for the Bills are either clueless homers or newbie transplants from elsewhere with no football IQ at all and every naysayer, doom and gloom, the sky is falling pessimist some how has the inside track on smarts and should be agreed with on the strength of their negativity.
And for both the optimists and the pessimists remember this: If you say something enough times it will eventually become a fact(oid)
After 17 years of mediocrity occasionally sprinkled with outright crappiness, I think those being optimistic about the Bills are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Newbie transplants with no football IQ will have no interest in the Bills; they have better things to do on Sunday afternoons.
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Alex Smith doesn't have games like this very often. I don't expect their offense to continue to be this good.
This isn't also the first time the Chiefs dominated the Pats.....so I don't think the Pats are this bad or the Chiefs this good consistently.
Keep telling yourself that. KC is a good team that went 12-4 last season. Even without Eric Berry, they're likely good enough to take the AFCW unless Trevor Siemion improves at QB in Denver and/or the Raiders D is significantly better than expected. Alex Smith is a competent QB who now has better targets to go along with the good protection he enjoys behind the Chiefs' excellent OL. It's entirely possible that the first the Bills get next season from the Chiefs isn't even as high as #27.
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I know it's a tough decision to accept but I do trust McBeane on this. Sammy did not fit the culture they're trying to build. He complained publicly to the media about his targets and talked about raising the bar for receiver contracts. That's not the type of player McBeane wants here and he has injury issues that are possibly going to creep up again.
We're going to play ball like KC did yesterday I'm guessing. Run the ball, short passes, go deep a couple times a game. It is a recipe for success and we save a ton of cap space since we don't have to pay Sammy that money. Depending on how Jordan Matthews and Zay Jones do I think Tyrod will be fine.
Why, exactly, do you "trust" McDermott and Beane? Because they spout a bunch of platitudes and make promises that you like hearing? Neither of them have track records as head guys: they've always been assistants, never the leaders. Whatever happened to earning trust?
Moreover, in what way(s) did Watkins "not fit the culture they're trying to build"? That he dared to speak his mind? Dude, this is 2017 NOT 1967!
As long as players perform on the field, whatever they think about issues like player salaries or standing for the national anthem is their own damned business. Furthermore, the Bills are notorious for filling player contracts, especially rookie contracts, with individual performance incentives rather than just giving them a flat salary, so a WR who doesn't get many targets is going to get paid a lot less than he might if he just got a flat salary. It encourages a "me first" attitude rather than a "team first" attitude, and the fault for that is all on the Bills not on the players. -
And when the Bills are in the running for the playoffs, we will get a ton of love.
Well, that "when" will be a long time coming. My guess is that the drought hits at least 20, maybe even 25. The only things that are different between the current regime and past ones are the names and faces.
Gillie would be a backup and Hogan would be #4 because he sucks. I'm sick of hearing about that scrub. He is gone and I'm happy for it. He doesn't get separation and is a poor route runner. As for Gillmore, I'm not so sure he is better than what the Bills have due to scheme.
As for the comment, doesn't matter much. Sometimes you say thing and you regret it. He's on live TV and he has a low opinion of the Bills talent right now, most fans have a low opinion as well. Only time will tell and only wins will change that.
The Bills are working towards something finally, they have what looks to be a solid coaching staff, let's see what happens.
The Bills are working towards the exact same thing they've been working at for the last 17 years: maximizing profits by minimizing salaries without alienating the fans so much that they stop buying tickets.
well, the best coach in the league and defending champions disagree.
hah again, sleep well.
And easily one of the best NFL coaches of all times. Somehow, I think I'd trust his player evals over some neophyte HC.
Shady's better than Hunt. And Hunt was a monster last night.
The Chief's OL is seriously better than the Bills' OL.. Shady would run wild behind it.
It's 2017 now, that title might change, the best coach in the league just got 42 points put on him and had Alex Smith probably play the best game of his career and a rookie RB embarass him, at Home.
ROTFLMAO! Dream on.
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This entire board sounds like a jealous ex girlfriend.
So, true, and it's truly funny. I'm sure that we'll be treated to gloating threads every time Gillislee, Gilmore or Hogan have a bad game or make a mistake. Gilmore was in single man coverage most of the night. He had one screw up ... the problem is that when a CB screws up, it usually ends up in 6 for the other team.
Meanwhile, I think that all the gloating over Gilmore ignores the fact that the Pats offense was not impressive ... primarily because of the Chiefs' D. Those boys stopped NE on 4-and-less-than-1 twice. That first fourth down stop down in the red zone after Hunt's fumble changed the entire tenor of that game. Instead of being up 14-0, they were soon tied 7-7. It's like it deflated the entire offense; they played flat the rest of the game.
Eric Berry's achilles injury aside, all those draftniks spinning their fantasies about KC sucking this season and the Bills getting a mid/high first rounder for them need to face the reality that it might not even be as high as #27.
13-3, relatively easy. Last night was a fluke.
I agree. When the Pats lose 8 games this season, then I'll say they ain't making the playoffs.
none of those years did they look bad. Last night they looked really bad. There is a difference.
Well when you have posters constantly griping about how great he was (and he never was), how he will be this perennial pro bowler in New England and it keeps getting shoved down our throats, you love it when he's exposed again for who he really is an average corner.
LOL! They looked dismal and out-classed when the Bills beat them. Season opening games are the most likely to see upsets. Even the hapless Bills have beat better teams in season openers and falsely buoyed up their fans' hopes.
We match up terribly with them. KC beat them with speed. We don't have much outside speed
Maybe instead of trying to emulate Carolina, the Bills brain trust should emulate the Chiefs who have been a consistent playoff contender since Andy Reid became their HC. They're a run-first team that mostly use short passes but they've added enough speed to go deep when the opportunity is there ... and they field killer Ds besides having an excellent OL that not only can run block extremely well but is capable of keeping their QB clean.
IMO, part of the reason that NE looked bad was that Reid out-coached Belichick. The long TD passes were killers ... and totally unexpected.
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After TD Mike had that 3 solid runs in the 2nd quarter, he praised him heavily, saying he reminded him of Bell on one run..
Then talked him coming from Buffalo, where he said
" I think NE has better players from Buffalo than Buffalo does."
Gills ended up with 13 carries for 20 yards after the 16 yarder and 9 yard run. Totaling 15 for 45 yards. Impressive 3 goal line Tds, but it was clear he can't sustain production late in the game , wasn't a number 1 back here and don't see that changing...
Gilmore looked very average at best. Hogan had 25 total yards ,1 reception and 3 carries.
Just a very ignorant comment and very disrespectful.
Funny thing is,our O is perfectly built to beat that SOFT run D ,we can do them like KC did them, we're very similar personnel wise. Nickovich and possibly Hightower gone. Long and Sheard gone. All that $ to Gilmore has left NE with terrible depth in that front 7 and a leadership void. We can really end up whooping that D.
Edit- Al Michael's, not Jim Nantz,apologies
It wasn't entirely accurate about NE, but it wasn't necessarily untrue about the Bills, and the Bills have earned every bit of disrespect they get around the league.
Anyway you cut it, the reality is that the Bills have regularly shed their best talent through either FA or one-sided trades for almost two decades ... the entire length of the playoff drought. The Bills are never going to make the playoffs until that "process" stops. Name any other NFL team that has traded away an All Pro LT and an All Pro RB in their primes within 4 years. How many top DBs, RBs, and WRs have the Bills developed that they let walk after their rookie contracts ... and then had to replace with either first or second round draft picks or JAG FA they pretend are "just as good" as blue chippers who left?
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How does this "up to the standard" BS apply to getting rid of Watkins? Or J Williams for that matter.
IMHO the Sammy trade is going to make the Bills look stupid for the nest 5-10 years.
Oh, some of the really great trades that the Bills have pulled off live in infamy far longer than 5-10 years. Trading future Pro Bowl QB Darryl Lamonica for a has-been QB and even more of a has-been WR back in the 1960s was the all-time great. In this century, trading away All Pro LT Jason Peters for a late first rounder in 2009 has only been topped by the Bills trading away All Pro RB Marshawn Lynch for a fourth rounder. Trading Sammy for a second and player still has a ways to go before it reaches the level of those three trade disasters.
I think it might outrank the Bills' trading their 2004 2nd and 5th rounders plus their 2005 first rounder for the great opportunity of drafting JP Losman when they could have drafted the much more serviceable starting QB Matt Schaub with that 2nd or waited a year to use that first rounder on Aaron Rodgers.
They have plenty of cap next year. Over $35 million. Not counting players such as Shady, Kyle, and Tyrod possibly coming off the books who else are they paying significantly besides Dareus?
Assuming their plan is to draft a QB they won't have to pay him or pretty much anyone for another 5 years.
The idea of the Bills being worried about their future cap is ludicrous. They just didn't want to pay Watkins his salary this season.
Never doubt that the Bills won't draft a QB in the first round in 2018, no matter where they pick or how crappy the QB draft class is ... and rest assured that unnamed rookie QB will start sooner rather than later. It's simply a reprise of 2013 because after this season, the Bills will need to excite fans again to put butts in the seats.
They don't want to spend that much on the WR position. It's not about available cap, it's about how they want to allocate the cap space.
Yep. WRs are irrelevant to winning football games in the 21st century ... and the Bills are going to prove it. //sarcasm off
This is what the Neanderthals here don't understand. First, you have to create a culture of expectations where roles are clear; goals are set; and a steady progress is outlined so people understand. Second, patience, you stick to the plan in the short term when results are not perfect and sailing isn't smooth. Bailing on the system, especially one you are replicated from other successful systems, ensures failure. This goes to ownership too, they have to believe in the system and the process and give it time. The quickest way to failure is constant change, chasing your tail out of impatience, or in the case of Rex, a bad hire. But this is where RW sucked and who I blame for where this team is.
I like it and I want to see it applied and stuck to for at least 3 seasons.
You shouldn't insult your people like that, Mr Caveman.
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Well in McBeanes defense, the best proven way to build a team is through the draft. Purging many of the team's recent picks is somewhat contradictory to this plan. The answer to your question is simple. if the new FO doesn't draft extremely well in the next couple of years, they will be fired and fans will get to enjoy " the process" all over again.
Just as they've been doing for this entire century.
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Wow when was the last time the home opener didn't sell out
Or a Jests game any time in the season. Jests games (and Giants games when the Bills play them) always sell out because 1)so many downstate fans travel to see the games here because tix are easier to get ... and cheaper; 2) there are so many downstate transplants in the area; 3) there are so many downstate college students around.
It says a lot about what both Jests and Bills fans think of their respective teams.
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The Bills could go 14-2 and some fans would still be disgruntled that Tyrod is still QB & we let Sammy and J Williams go.
Yeah, right, because we've seen how Bills fans complain every time the Bills post 14 wins in a season ... oh, wait, they've never had a 14 win season!
In fact, they haven't even had a double digit win season in this century! :doh:After the last few seasons (and even going back to the Fitz / Edwards false hope seasons), I'll feel comfortable about the Bills odds of having a good season when they get win number 12.
Well, before TC, I said that I'd consider 10 wins even if they didn't make the playoffs to be a successful season, so I'd be comfortable with 10 myself.
You don't have to be terrible to get fired. You just have to be a clown.
If 8 wins is terrible then I guess 13 wins is just ok. AFC champ game is average and only a superbowl is good.
They weren't terrible. The offense as a whole was average and the defense was below avg. I don't think you know what terrible means.
I think he'll probably find out this season.
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There's nothing the Bills can do against the Jests that will make me "feel better" about this team's chances about accomplishing anything but possibly finishing with more wins than the Jets.
After watching the offense in preseason, I'm not sure that the Bills will be competitive with any of their opponents except the Jests, Saints or Colts.
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It is very, very hard to go 0-16. Tough to top the Lions.
For a poor team, the opening game of the season might be the easiest game to win since their opponent won't have much film of real plays to figure out what they might do. That's why opening day upsets are so common. When two poor teams meet up in the opener, just about anything can happen.
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You honestly think these guys are the reason the Bills haven't been successful over the years? Kyle Williams is the one holding the franchise back?
You made a dumb statement. I responded in kind.
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The focus on which team will finish DFL in the NFL this year has focused mostly on the Jets.
But is there a WORSE roster than the Colts if Andrew Luck is not on the field?
Suppose Luck can't come back early enough from his shoulder surgery to help the team compete for a playoff spot..........would they shelve him early and go for that #1 overall pick again?
And in a scenario where the first 2-3 picks were considered franchise QB's...........would the Colts then trade Andrew Luck to get a pile of draft picks and long term cap saving to try to re-build their roster and use that #1 pick on Darnold or Chosen Rosen?
Just a thought I haven't seen kicked around.....but if the Bills play Jauron-ball and land outside of the top 5 picks........it's not really THAT unrealistic of a scenario that they could be a good trade partner with Indy in a situation where other QB-desperate teams like the Jets and Browns get their QB satisfaction at the top of the draft.
Long shot but something to think about.........especially because there is just a very weird feel around what is going on in Indy.........it feels strangely like Manning-neck 2.0.
And if you are the Colts.......and your tank job falls short of completion.......your consolation prize is high picks to pair up with Luck in an increasingly competitive division.
You've been a Bills fan too long because you're beginning to think like the bean counters who have been really running the team for the last seventeen years. Teams, at least teams that are remotely interested in winning football games, don't trade away young franchise QBs unless there's something seriously wrong with them, although I could see the Bills doing something that stupid to save a few millions in salary in the short term. After all, we all know that QBs are almost as easily replaceable as DBs, RBs, and WRs.
FYI ... Half of all QBs drafted in the first round since 2000 have failed. Moreover, most drafts will yield only 1 franchise QB. A "good" draft will yield 1 franchise QB and 1 or maybe even 2 competent QBs on a par with Flacco, Dalton or Tannehill. Another problem is that it takes about 3 years to sift through the dirt to find the 1 who's a diamond. It will be interesting to see if Dak Prescott continues to have success because many times young QBs who look good as rookies/first year starters crash and burn over the long haul. Trent Edwards, Christian Ponder, and Colin Kaepernick all come to mind.
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By giving the young guys role models within the locker room to show them the way. These guys also happen to be the best players on the team.
No, they have not "devastated" the young talent on the team. That's ridiculous and more drama queen ranting.
Seriously??? "Show them the way" to what? Where to buy tickets for playoff games? Unless they played for other teams that went to the playoffs, that's the only way any of the Bills veterans will ever attend one.
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I am not talking UFAs. They have shifted to using their picks in trades for current players. Last years draft they had what thier pick was 83rd overall as their first pick. They never had that small amount of picks
My point is simply that I don't think Belichick is tied to any philosophy except "winning is everything," and he does what he has to do to keep the team stocked, If he sees a veteran he likes being shopped, he's not shy about trading away a pick to grab him.
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People want to knock MIA because of Cutler. I think he can perform just as well as Tannehill, if not better, given he stays healthy. He had his best year of his career under Gase. He also has more weapons in MIA than he has ever had. Parker is gonna be his Alshon, he has Julius Thomas, that dirty bastard Landry, Stills to take the top off of the D, and a beast in Ajayi at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if Miami wins 10 games.
Agreed. I watched one of Miami's games (I think it was the third) and I was surprised at how well Cutler played. Cutler has always been a decent QB. His problem has always been that every so often he turns space cadet and throws an absolutely bizarre INT for apparently no rhyme or reason, and then he gets into a funk and falls apart. Since he's diabetic, maybe his blood sugar spikes or crashes and he loses focus for a bit. Whatever the reason, Gase certainly managed him well, and I second the idea that he's got many more weapons than he had in Chicago. Miami also has a pretty good OL and a decent D.
I've never been a Tannehill fan. Like Andy Dalton, he's competent but he needs a good team around him for any kind of success, which is likely why the Bengals can get to the playoffs but don't do much when they get there.
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When you Draft as poorly as the Bills do, you can see there is no depth or up and coming players anywhere on the roster.
The Bills haven't drafted terribly, especially since 2010. The problem is that they continually let too many good young players (especially DB, RB, and WR) leave after the rookie contracts, and then are forced to fill those voids with draft picks, leaving precious few picks for other positions. If the Bills had re-signed Gilmore and Woods/Goodwin, they wouldn't have had to use the #1 on White and their #2 on Jones in order to fill those voids. Trading Watkins was more of the same.
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I didn't find it funny at all, and I gave up on it before the episode was even over.