SoTier
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Draft picks are usually a sign that you suck. Look at Cleveland and SF this year. They had a ton of picks.
Agree. I think the last time a team built a powerhouse team from having a bunch of high picks all in one draft was when San Diego got a bunch for trading Eli Manning to the Giants for Phillip Rivers (2004/2005). Before that, it was probably Dallas back in the late 1980s from trading Herschel Walker to the Vikings. Crappy teams make crappy personnel decisions, and consequently, their drafts suck even when they have numerous high picks. The Bills have proven that to be true throughout their history, most recently in 2009 when they had 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders in 2009 IIRC -- and blew the best one on one of their worst busts: Aaron Maybin.
I see no reason to think that the Bills won't screw the pooch once again.
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I'll stand by what I said months ago: I will consider the season a success only if the Bills make the playoffs or win 10 games. Anything less is unacceptable.
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The same group that wanted Lynch gone. They made excuses like he didn't want to be here, and was one strike away to justify letting him go for practically nothing. Lynch went on to have a tremendous career, and it was an awful move in retrospect.
This move may be even more of a disaster.
It's hard to imagine that would be possible, but the Bills always manage to do the impossible ... as long as it doesn't involve winning.
How is this same old Bills? You can dislike the move but it is far from anything the Bills have done during the drought. They are building the team in a much different way than we are used to.
It is exactly what the Bills have done this entire century: get rid of their best talent because they don't want to pay them and then sell the dollar store crap they keep or acquire as "just as good" to the true believers who continuously defend their moves. Major examples under previous regimes include Antoine Winfield, Nate Clements, Pat Williams, Ruben Brown, Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, and Chris Hogan. Allowing Gillmore to leave and trading Watkins are EXACTLY the same bull manure, no matter how you want it to be different. The only "data" that matters to OBD is the $$$ that they won't have to pay out for these players.
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Without Pegula ... Bills are no longer in Buffalo .. I say THANK YOU TERRY ... without him on Sundays ... you'd be watching Cleveland games on local Buffalo TV.
No, I'd be doing exactly what I'm going to be doing this season instead of watching the Bills suck again in another endless "rebuilding" season: watching Pittsburgh or Seattle or Atlanta or other professional football teams play interesting football games via NFL Sunday ticket. The Bills were nothing more than the NFL's #1 farm team during Ralph Wilson's last decade and a half of ownership, and the Pegulas are continuing that proud tradition.
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Same old, same old. If you ever wondered how so many people can become victims of scams, just consider that despite the fact that the Bills have failed to make the playoffs for 17 straight years, they have managed to sell the hope of another resurrection to so many of their fans by trading away two of their best players ...
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Even with the extra picks there is no certainty that they will be able to trade up for a QB. Both SF and the Jets will still likely draft ahead of them and neither of those teams would trade out so Buffalo could take the QB. The Bills will really have to bottom out and make sure that they lose both games to the Jets if they want a good QB prospect next year.
Dude, if you think the only impediment to the Bills actually drafting a competent NFL QB in 2018 is the competition, you are living in Fantasy Land. The 2002, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2013 drafts didn't produce a top QB, and the verdicts are still out on 2014-2017. Furthermore, in most drafts, there's at best, only 1 quality QB ... and not all of them were Top 3 or Top 5 picks. The only two drafts that have produced multiple HOF/likely HOF QBs since the merger were 1983 and 2004, which means there's a whole lot of both astute evaluation and luck involved in selecting the right collegiate QB to draft.
Now, maybe you have confidence in the Bills organization to pick the right QB, but not me. Nothing about the current regime suggests that they're any better than Ralph Wilson's incompetent bunch, particularly given that the owners have failed to significantly improve the Sabres during their tenure despite all their shuffling of GMs, coaches, and players. BTW, since the Polian era, the Bills drafting record has been simply horrendous, and not just at the QB position. They always pick the wrong guy. Consider that the Bills gave up their 2005 first round pick to draft JP Losman in 2004 ... and thus lost out on Aaron Rodgers in 2005 (who went #24 or #25) and they passed on Russell Wilson in 2012 for a WR who couldn't catch and then drafted EJ Manuel in 2013. Some of their other first round busts were even worse ... like Aaron Maybin.
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If the Bills had any class they'd cut Kyle Williams and let him latch on with a playoff team.
These trades, and our clear intent to rebuild through the draft make it pretty clear this team isn't going to compete for another few years while they search for and groom a young QB.
How long will that take do you think? A decade? Two decades? Three? There is absolutely no evidence during the Pegulas' ownership that the incompetence that has been the hallmark of the Bills' FO since Polian left 20+ years ago has been addressed.
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I would think a solid #2 would be the barometer. If either starts and plays over .500, I would say success. Figuring that we deemed both worse than Yates and Peterman, but time will tell.
"A solid #2" is NOT success, and neither is a .500 record as a starter. Success is being a competent starter for a number of seasons, which means being at least on a par with Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, etc.... and no, EJ Manuel will never be that. It's unlikely that Cardale Jones will either, but stranger things have happened.
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Somebody already mentioned "Amazing Grace", and I'll second that. I'll also add the beautiful Catholic hymn, "The Prayer of St Francis".
For more modern music, ie, country, since that's what I mostly listen to, I would say songs about the aftermath of lost love or unrequited love ... Doug Stone's "I Thought It Was You" or Eric Church's "Give Me Back My Hometown" or Dan Seals' "Everything That Glitters" or Keith Whitley's "Don't Close Your Eyes".
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Same thing I do every year, regret buying NFL Sunday ticket while enjoying a couple drinks.
So, watch other teams that you can't watch on local tv because your local station airs the Jests vs Cleveland ... Geez, unless the Bills are DOA beginning on opening day, they should be interesting for a couple of months...
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TJ Yates sucks!!!! If you don't believe Kaepernick is a better player than Yates, you are clueless about football.
Kaepernick could weight 150 lbs and sleep through the national anthem and he would still be a better qb than Yates. TJ Yates might be the worst backup in the entire NFL. Let's hope Peterman shows something.
So, why is he still looking for a gig with TCs about to open while TJ Yates is with a team? If Kaepernick was so much better than Yates, some team would have signed him despite his political views. Competent backup QBs are almost as hard to find as competent starting QBs.
Moreover, the statement was that Kaep was better than any of the Bills backups. Peterman is the youngster nobody knows anything about in the NFL. He certainly has a better chance of becoming a decent starting QB than Kaepernick who has already failed twice.
hate to say it, but TT going down (something like a cracked collarbone or minor but season ending) would be the best thing that could happen to this franchise. would allow everyone to write off the season, go 2-14 and get us a long term QB solution in the draft next year.
Is there some iron-clad guarantee that every draft class must contain a franchise QB? The 2002, 2007, 2010, and 2013 drafts had none, so drafting #1 still wouldn't have gotten "us a long term QB solution". Oh, yeah, the Bills DID draft a first round QB recently ... in 2013. Doh!
They have a veteran backup in Yates who knows the offense. What is the purpose of this thread?
To spin fantasies that some failed starter is going to magically resurrect a career than never was.
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I think that what's happened to NASCAR is simply that our culture is changing. People's tastes and interests have changed. It's not like it's something that's never happened before.
Through the 1940s and 1950s, horse racing was probably the most popular sport in the nation. Horses like Man O'War, Sea Biscuit, Citation, and Swaps were celebrities as were their jockeys. Every newspaper carried the race entries/results from the local tracks as well as stories about the major races from around the country. Important races were carried live on the radio, and later, in the 1950s and 1960s, on TV. Today horse racing is a niche sport with virtually the only races being carried nationally are the Triple Crown and the Breeders Cup.
Back in the 1970s and 1980s, tennis mesmerized the country. Bobby Riggs vs Billie Jean King. Chrissie Evert and Jimmie Conners were "an item" for a while, and people really cared. John McEnroe was a tantrum-throwing brat. People watched Wimbledon and the American Open religiously. Now, unless you get The Tennis Channel, you'll be lucky to find a live tennis match even at the US Open, although one of the networks usually has a late-night tennis show during the Grand Slam events.
Now, it's NASCAR's that's lost the draft and is getting shuffled back.
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Where does this idea that Dennison wants a running Quarterback come from. I am convinced some people here don't watch the NFL beyond the Bills.
Kaep having said that is better than any of our backups. RGIII? No. Anything he had is long, long, gone. He is done in the NFL... as probably is Kaep for different reasons.
I think if Tyrod went down it would depend where we were in the season. Still properly in contention I expect they would go Yates until we are out of contention. If the season is already dead it would be Peterman.
Why, exactly, is Kaep better than any of our backups? Because he had a string of impressive games with a very talented team toward the end of one season when defenses hadn't figured out how to stop him? His best year was his first year as a starter with SF. He was never that good again once defensive coordinators figured out how to stop Roman's offense. Like a lot of first year starters, especially those on excellent teams, Kaep looked good at first but fizzled. Troy Vincent, Mark Sanchez, RG III, Christian Ponder, Nick Foles, and Brock Osweiler are among recent QBs who looked great early on but then crashed and burned, and turned out to be not much better than Day 3 picks.
If the starting QB goes down, it's likely curtains for most teams' playoff hopes unless the team is especially talented and extremely lucky. Since there's not enough QB talent to go around, expecting to find a starter from among unattached vets is simply fantasy. Teams are better off rolling the dice and going with an unknown youngster who at least might be half way decent for part of season than wasting time with a failed starter.
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I can't even imagine what will come to be in my kids and grandson's lifetimes. The rate of advancement in technology is astounding.
Most 2017 HS grads will retire from jobs/careers in fields that don't exist -- and probably aren't even thought of -- today. Think of how cell phones have changed since the 1990s when they were big, clunky "car phones". Think how much more sophisticated cell phones have become in just the last five years -- and all the people who work designing/creating/supporting them.
Do you really need rights of way when you're burrowing UNDER things?
Yes. If the gas company wants to run a gas line across your property, they have to get an easement.
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think it aint happening anytime in our lifetime...unless i be missing something, who be paying to build the tunnel?
I think that you are seriously under-estimating the speed at which technology moves. It's unlikely to happen in the next decade, but it might very well happen before 2040. Consider that the first manned flight in an airplane, the Wright Brothers' 1903 Kitty Hawk flight, occurred in 1903, and that within twenty years, airplanes were already in use by the military and for carrying mail. In 1927, Charles Lindberg fly non-stop across the Atlantic, and within 30 years, the Soviets launched Sputnik, the first artificial satellite. Within less than 12 years of that, Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
The technology for powering hyperloops already exists. Tunnel building technology has largely been perfected ... nobody thought the Chunnel (Channel Tunnel under the English Channel) was possible when it was proposed because building a tunnel under water is much more difficult than building under ground but it's been open since 1994. What will hold it up is acquiring the land (or rights of way) and legal challenges.
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Either 9 wins and a playoff spot or 10 or more wins even without the playoffs (because sometimes poop happens because of tie-breaking rules). The Bills have accomplished neither in this century so this would be a major accomplishment. I am expecting neither, however.
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With the title I thought you were trying to get a gun through security.
That makes two of us.
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SoTier, this is SoLike you...
You think a team that hasn't had a franchise QB in 18 years, and hasn't taken a first-round QB since 2004 isn't doing due diligence when it comes to QB prospects?
You think a GM that watched all his predecessors FAIL because they couldn't secure that critical piece of the puzzle isn't zeroed-in on that one aspect of the game?
Wow...
You're right about one thing... For a legit tank to go down, the FO would have to be all-in... The Owner, GM, and perhaps HC would have to commit to it with the understanding that a top-3 pick was the goal. -Nothing else.
I've never said once that tanking was a certainty... I've just insisted that if there was ever a time for a new GM/HC combo to do it, it's NOW... If Beane wants to mortgage the future by trading away picks to move-up, he can do that...
I call it unwise for a rookie GM, but he can do it... There are MANY ways to pull off a tank if you're 100% committed to it... Whether it happens of not, it's definitely an Idea who's time has come.
The last time I looked, the Buffalo Bills drafted EJ Manuel in the first round in 2013, which is just a tad bit more recent that 2004. Tthe only other first round QB they've taken since 1970 was Jim Kelly in 1983. Todd Collins (1995), Matt Kofler (1982), Gene Bradley (1980), and Dennis Shaw (1970) were the Bills only 2nd rounders. They drafted Trent Edwards (2007), Frank Reich (1985), Gary Marangi (1974) and Joe Ferguson (1973) in the 3rd round. The only two who were even close to being "franchise QBs" from that lot were Kelly and Ferguson. Reich was a competent backup QB on a strong team, but his stint in Carolina proved he wasn't starter material, either. Shaw was 1970 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year, but like Vince Young, it was all downhill career-wise after that. The Bills inability to find QBs in the draft -- and their apparent disinterest in drafting them in the higher rounds -- isn't something that began with the departure of Bill Polian. It was a hallmark of the Bills under Ralph Wilson's ownership and the FOs that he employed.
Of course, except for the Polian era, poor drafting was generally the rule rather than the exception for the Bills, but I'm sure that that's all changed now, so undoubtedly if the Bills tank, they'll draft a QB #1 and he'll turn out to be a combination of Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady ...
at least he will in the alternative universe you inhabit.
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Some think this may be worth tanking for.... Sammy D looks tough... Better than Rosen IMO.... Very tough call.
Who, exactly, besides draft nuts, media mavens, and message board GM wannabes, would "some" include? Certainly not employed NFL GMs and HCs who want to remain employed because they're busy looking for players that can help them win in the upcoming season, not drooling over the high light videos of college kids who have 1+ years of college eligibility remaining. Scouts might be keeping tabs on some of the best looking ones, but no GM would decide to throw away a season just for chance to draft a specific college player. Too many kids who looked so great as juniors either get injured or don't perform up to snuff as seniors for an NFL team to commit to "tanking". Moreover, especially among QBs, too many supposedly "great" prospects who had excellent senior years have crashed and burned because they couldn't adapt to the pro game.
Keep in mind that in order for a mid-pack team to deliberately tank, the FO would have to make the decision to do so even before the FA period and the NFL draft so that it could shed key talent via FA and trades. Then it would have to pass on talented players in the current year's draft who could play well as rookies in order to preserve its chance to pick in the first slot in next year's draft. Now, this might seem sensible to you, but it's simply an absurd scenario to most sensible people. Somehow, I think NFL GMs are more concerned with the collegiate players currently in the draft than with who might be in the draft the following year.
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When I saw the thread title, the first thing I thought of was the IGY, but then I thought, "naw, only STEM nerds like me would have even heard of the IGY" ... unless it just popped up on your phone because you have a calendar app ... which probably wouldn't exist if the IGY (and Sputnik) hadn't fired up increased interest in the sciences way back then.
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I retired April 1, 2016 and have never been tempted to look back even though I liked what I did and worked in a great organization with great supervisors and co-workers.
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In addition to Chautauqua Institute, Chautauqua County has Midway State Park on the northern side of the lake which is a former amusement park geared for younger children. There are a couple of tour boats on Chautauqua Lake as well as Long Point State Park for swimming. I believe the Stowe Ferry is still operating on week ends (it costs a donation to take your car across the lake) between Stowe, NY and Bemis Point which is a cute little tourist town on the other side. Jamestown has the Luci Desi Museum and the LuciFest which celebrate the life of comedienne Lucille Ball.
Panama Rocks in the southern part of the county are huge boulders left from the erosion of an old seabed. They're not a hard hike at all as they're geared toward tourists not hikers.
The western part of the county has a compact wine trail consisting of several wineries between Silver Creek and Westfield. Dunkirk has a wonderful harbor for strolling and couple of nice beaches: Pt Gratoit (pronounced Gratchit) and Wright Park. Pt Gratiot also has an historic lighthouse.
Chautauqua County is primarily rural with a lot of Amish living in the southern and eastern parts of the county (Panama, Sherman, Cherry Creek, Randolph). These Amish communities also stretch into neighboring Cattaraugus County and northwest PA, and are much less commercial than the Amish communities around Lancaster, PA. The area abounds with farmers markets. The Chautauqua County Fair runs from July 24 through July 30.
For shopping, entertainment, and more museums and beaches, Erie, PA is about 45 miles away via I-86. Check out the Erie Maritime Museum and Presque Isle State Park (which is free).
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i hate when social issues are brought up on a football message board, whether its the Kaep bulls&*t on PFT,or this, who cares ? i dont care what anybody on here thinks about social issues.. and as always.. JMHO
Why? Football doesn't exist separate from the real world. Players and coaches are people, so they're going to have the same issues as other people. The big difference is that NFLers have more talent (and probably more money) than Joe Average, and people are interested in what they do, who they are, etc.
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You forgot Russell Wilson who went in the 3rd round in 2012. The Bills passed on him to take trade up to take TJ Graham who couldn't stay healthy and couldn't catch the ball when he was healthy!
I will add specifics to your post: there wasn't even 1 Tannehill quality QB in the 2002, 2007, 2010, 2013 drafts. It's also likely that Bortles, from 2014, won't turn out to be much, either, as he regressed last season. Moreover, even when there is a diamond in the draft, a team still has to find him. In 1999, the #1 pick, Tim Couch, went to Cleveland, Philadelphia took Donovan McNabb at #2, and Cinci took Akili Smith at #3. Minnesota took Daunte Culpepper at #11. McNabb was a bonafide franchise QB and Culpepper was decent for several years, Couch and Smith sucked.