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I don't know about Kincaid being the TBD Whipping Boy of the season ... it seems to me that Keon Coleman might have the edge here. Oh, please! The TBD mob had their pitchforks out for Kincaid even before the season started, starting with all the complaints that the Bills should have drafted Sam LaPorta.

"Captain Checkdown" never learned to read defenses ... which is why he earned that nickname. He was the perfect QB for Dick Jauron (who believed in playing not to lose games by too much) because Edwards was good with throwing a 4 yard pass on third and 5 and then punting. Jauron disliked Losman because he (Losman) tried too hard to make plays and win -- IOW, he took risks, which Jauron hated.

The issue was that the Bills defense wasn't good enough to stop KC from scoring more points than they had scored in any game in 2025. No team has beaten KC in the playoffs without the defense getting after Mahomes and limiting Kelce.

I thought the biggest problem for the Bills last year was WR. /sarcasm off I can't blame the guy for his poor prediction about Allen since I was skeptical about Allen, too. Many were. As a rookie, Allen's most notable traits were his leadership and his willingness to do whatever he needed to do to win. To call Allen's improvement from his rookie season to today "impressive" is a huge understatement. It has been awe-inspiring. I remember a time within the last two decades when Rapp would have been the best player on the team. You don't know that; the team hasn't even had any mandatory workouts yet.

While what you say is true about fans, this list is supposed to be based on how players perform on the field, and the guy who put it together is supposed to be a professional. Tyreek Hill has a less than endearing personality but that doesn't diminish his play on the field.

How the defensive line and defensive backfield develop during the season and perform come playoff time is much more likely to determine the outcome of the Bills' 2025 season than anything else. Teams beat the Chiefs in the playoffs when their defenses get after Mahomes.

The MB was shut down before Pegula purchased the team IIRC. I think it was just part of the evolution of message boards.

I lived in the Albany area during the Glory Years. The Albany network affiliate always carried the Jests rather than the Bills and sometimes even the Patriots even though both teams sucked as badly as they've sucked the last couple of years. They got so many complaints that they decided to have the fans vote on which team they would show, which the Bills of course won, if not necessarily because there were so many Bills fans but watching a crappy team lose week after week doesn't appeal to many people.

Since the Bills are already doomed before Memorial Day, why not plan for the 2026 and 2027 drafts just like in "the good old days" of the Drought Era?

I cannot find anything nostalgic in the Drought. It was painful, especially for someone who had season tix for several years during it. It did make me appreciate how special the current team is. I never take any Bills game, especially the wins, for granted.

I wasn't questioning the validity of PFF data. I was questioning the use of it by the OP as ammunition in his crusade.

My current dog is mostly an Australian Heeler/Australian Shepherd named Leroy Jethro Gibbs that answers to Gibbs. I found him at an Amish farm, but didn't buy him that day because I had a road trip to an event at RIT planned the next day. Somebody had texted me while I was on the road that I should name my new pup Jethro, which didn't impress me. Then on the way home, we passed the Thruway exit for Leroy, NY. Being a fan of the early NCIS, what else could I name my new little boy but Leroy Jethro Gibbs??? By sheer chance, naming Gibbs after the lead character in the original NCIS is a perfect fit because both have kind of "unique" personalities. In the case of my Gibbs, a lot of it is related to his genetic make up: he's OCD when it comes to balls (he will fetch balls until he drops, and he also hoards them); he hates rakes, mops, and brooms as well small wheels on baby buggies, lawn mowers, etc. trying to get them to stop; and he "smiles" when he meets his favorite people (a notable trait linked to Heelers). While Gibbs will chase squirrels and woodchucks, he's not a killer; he tries to herd them. He's also very vocal, letting the world know when he's unhappy, especially when he can't go everywhere I go, but also when he's playing with various squeaky or chew toys. He also takes his job as watch dog very seriously, not just at home, but at the local dog park, while walking in the neighborhood or in the park. The world is full of suspicious things like pigeons, flapping laundry, boats at the ramp across the street from the dog park, etc that he needs to warn me about. He also sings to sirens and joins his besties at the dog park in community howls.

Fixed it for ya!

Find another dead horse to beat. This one's past putrid.

I'm with @rusty shackleford on the differences between Northtowns and Southtowns. I have family who live in both areas, so I frequent both. IMO, the only problem with the Southtowns is the heavy snow. The solution to snowblowing as you age is to hire somebody to clear your driveway and sidewalk (if you have one). You can find almost all of the same shopping and dining options in the Southtowns as you can north of Buffalo. The village of Hamburg is very walkable. The biggest problem with the Northtowns is the traffic. What good is having all kinds of options for shopping, dining, and entertainment within a 1-2 mile radius when it takes you 30-45 minutes to get there? Kenmore and Williamsville are both walkable villages, but you will still need to brave the traffic for most shopping and dining.

That's because TO ran his routes beyond the first down marker.

I think that the Bills wanted a big Red Zone target who could fight for balls, and Coleman seems a good fit for that role. The weaknesses that his critics keep bringing up -- his 40 yard speed and his difficulty getting separation -- are pretty inconsequential in the tight quarters inside the 20.

Cody Ford, drafted by the Bills in 2019 and considered a major bust by fans, was active in 16 games and started 9 for the Bengals in 2024, and I believe he has been re-signed by Cincinnati for 2025.

You really aren't trying very hard.

It was a facetious response to a poster whom I saw as posting another ignorant post with no basis in fact. That poster claimed Beane "didn't get it" because he kept drafting DLers and DBs while the Chiefs "got it" because they keep drafting WRs. That's nonsense. Beane keeps drafting DLers because he hasn't hit on a real stud yet, and he takes DBs because the modern NFL requires having 5 starter quality DBs ... 2 outside CBs, 1 slot CB, and 2 Safeties, plus he missed on Elam. Beane also traded a first and a fourth to get Diggs, so he obviously does understand the importance of WRs. Conversely, the Chiefs keep drafting WRs because they really haven't hit on one since they parted company with Tyreek. Rice had a good rookie campaign, but he only played 4 games in 2024 before getting injured, so he's still a question mark. The Chiefs have also been drafting OTs recently because they haven't had a lot of success at filling that hole, including using second round picks (IIRC) in both 2024 and 2025 on OTs. Both Beane and Veach "get it" in terms of the importance of various positions, but the draft is a crap shoot, and that's especially true where both teams have drafted in the past few years. The Bills gave up a first and a fourth to get Diggs. I think that qualifies as spending draft capital on "a speed WR early in the draft". I don't often agree with your takes, but you are dead on with both of these.

They obviously don't "get it" when it comes to the OL. They have drafted multiple OLers but have yet to find a good LT. Maybe if they had drafted an OT instead of Skyy Moore or Xavier Worthy, they don't get whipped by the Eagles in the last SB.

Are you saying that Metcalf has never dropped a pass?????? IMO, if the Bills could have stopped KC on any of their fourth quarter scoring drives, there would have been no need for late game heroics by the Bills offense in either of the last two years.

The Bills didn't want DK Metcalf enough to trade for him. Deal with it. Actually, the gauntlet drill focuses on a WR or TE's ability to focus on the ball while moving and changing direction. Receivers zig zag across the field while trying to catch balls from multiple sources. (I looked it up). Running 40 yards in a straight line doesn't really test acceleration and suddenness because receivers don't run all out in a straight line for that long in actual games unless they've already caught the ball and are heading for the end zone. It's only somewhat less useless than having linemen running 40 yards. If you want to measure acceleration and suddenness, then you want something with shorter straight line runs and changes of direction. The gauntlet drill seems to come closer to what a receiver might actually do in a game. Because Beane didn't draft him, he can't be used as "evidence" of why Beane is a failure.

This is just me, but I'd rather be "still somewhat deficient in our WR room" than be "somewhat deficent" on the offensive line or in the defensive backfield. I almost always give rookies and sophomores the benefit of the doubt, especially when they've missed time due to injuries, whether they play for the Bills or another teams. You can check out my posting history if you want. I did think Peterman was trash almost from the get-go, and there are probably a few others. The jump from college to the NFL is a big ask, and very few young players, even #1 picks, start out playing at a high level. FTR, my comment was aimed at the continuous whining by some posters about things that cannot be changed. The draft is a crap shoot. Even for first rounders, only a handful are going to become game changers, and some are going to be busts.

Another day, another thread where the "We're doomed because we don't have a great WR" fraternity beats the same dead horse.