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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I think people confuse "runs a faster 40" with "is a better athlete".
I expect Willis to run slightly faster at the combine than Josh did. But he is not a better athlete.
Reading "much better athlete than josh allen" honestly just gave me a chuckle. I feel like people sometimes forget he's doing what he's doing at 6'5 245... And then theres that arm of his.
.... honestly, has there ever been a qb in NFL that was a "much better athlete" than allen?.... seriously. EVER?
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13 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
Rodgers
Overall playoffs 11-9
Conference Championship 1-4
Superbowl 1-0 with 1 SB MVP
Elway
Overall playoff record 14-7
Conference Championship 5-1
Superbowl 2-3 with 1 SB MVP
Elway (prior to his final 2 seasons with a stacked team)
Overall playoffs 7-7
Conference Championship 3-1
Superbowl 0-3 (1 bad and 2 dreadful games)
Honestly I don't know if either guy should be considered clutch in the playoffs. Elway's 5-1 conference title record is impressive, but he followed those up with 4 pretty bad SB performances. Rodgers only made the SB once, but in that one appearance he had a fantastic game. Elway may have the slightly better playoff career than Rodgers, but the better regular season career is Rodgers by far (and Rodgers isn't over yet).
Elway had The Drive. Rodgers had the divisional game vs Cowboys that I linked earlier.
Saying that Elway is far and away the more clutch player is a combination of viewing Elway through rose colored glasses, and discounting Rodgers based on recency bias.
These are all fair points. the only one i see thats sorta grasping is you keep trying to discount elways last 2 seasons. That doesnt make a lot of sense to me. it was part of his career... Are you saying that a packers team thats gone 13-3 for 3 straight seasons is bereft of talent?
... rodgers still has a couple years to write his story. he very well might end up winning a title or 2 on a talented team(may or may not be GB) and solidify himself as a top 3-ish. i suppose we'll discount that as well, just to be fair?
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12 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
I think you're only looking at your pre-conceived notion of these guys reputations as opposed to what they actually did.
How about this game for Rodgers
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100crd.htm
Probably the best losing playoff performance by a QB in NFL history (at least until a certain game a few weeks ago).
The NFL is a TEAM sport. That's why I find it ironic that Elway is considered clutch for winning a SB going 12/ 22 for 123 yards 0 TD 1 INT and Rodgers is a choker for fumbling in OT after going 28 /42 for 423 yards 4 TD 1 INT in a loss after his DEF gave up 45 points in regulation.
It's part of the reason I dislike the playoff record / 'chips argument.
Rodgers has some disappointing playoff losses for sure. His career to this point reminds me of P. Manning with the Colts. Without their QB those teams would've been competing for #1 overall pick, and not playoff games.
manning made 3 titles in his prime and another on coat tails. So again i disagree. Win a freaking conference title man. Sometimes i think people underrate what top 5 means. Its HALLOWED ground man. Winning the biggest games matters. It needs to matter... heck its the only reason a guy like Aikman is even in the HOF.
And when did i say Elway was clutch for that superbowl? Elway is considered clutch because of his whole career and body of work. which, again, includes 5 SUPERBOWLS. i feel like your whole aim is slanting narratives. you conveniently leave out Elways 2nd title where he went for 330 yds and a 100 qb rating. And again leave out the fact he won his own conference 5 teams.... you just keep harping elways subpar superbowl win. its odd.
I'm done with this for now though. you get into that 4,5,6 range and its all up for big time debate. But IMO Rodgers lack of postseason success needs to be a factor when you are talking about the 5 best qb's of ALL TIME.
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13 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/400927749
Aaron Rodgers led his team to TWO lead-taking FGs in the final 1:30 in a playoff game against the Cowboys only a few years ago.
Including this ridiculous play on a 3rd and 20 with 12 seconds left:
Elway needed a ridiculously stacked team to win his back to back superbowls, and he had a straight up terrible SB against the Packers.
i mean we can all cherry pick games and plays. Or we could look at the bodies of work. One has a rep for being one of the most clutch qb's of all time.... The other doesnt.
Elway went to five freaking superbowls man. FIVE... and again, i'm not saying Aaron had to win as many superbowls as Elway. But how about get to more than one?
I"m not losin my mind over somebody putting Rodgers in their top 5. I just think its highly debatable and you absolutely have to put postseason accomplishments into the equation when talking about all time lists. That seems very fair IMO.
15 minutes ago, LeviF said:How many top ten defenses has Rodgers had?
I'll give you a hint: Brady has had more since turning 42 than Rodgers has had in his entire career.
Everyone wants to blame defense when the Bills lose to the Chiefs (and I'm not saying that's wrong) but when you consider the points allowed by the Packers during the bulk of Rodgers' playoff losses this becomes a very simple equation.
how many did his defesne give up in their playoff loss this year? fair to mention it, right?
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4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I see that logic and agree. However, the other side of the argument..this is who he's been by and large his career in the postseason. Odd timing to finally drop him down after the last 2 seasons he's had is all.
choking away #1 seeds can drop a guy IMO. thats just me..... and honestly, a couple of years ago i may have been projecting a bit thinking he'd be in one or 2 more. thats on me.
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5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you...but I would be intrested in hearing the logic behind a guy having back to back MVP seasons and that actually dropping him in your list.
Because in my personal opinion, and i think in a lot of other peoples, raising your game in the postseason and postseason success is a requirement when we are comparing best of all time. Not the end all be all, but definitely a large factor. Another superbowl or 2 woulda greatly helped his cause IMO. not even wins. just some appearances.
Game on the line. 1:30 left. Elway or rodgers. Who you taking? For me its Elway and it aint even close. And i think stuff like that matters. Now tack on the fact that these guys all have generationally great production in their respective era's, and i'll take the guys that keep going to title games.
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23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
For me:
brady
montana
unitas
manning
otto graham (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrahOt00.htm)
flip flop graham for elway and thats my list as well. Unitas never gets enough love and his numbers are absurd for the era.
.... as for rodgers. before the last 2 years i argued he was a shoe in for top 5 all time with a friend of mine that happens to be a brady truther..... after the last 2 years IMO he's been relegated to top ten IMO
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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Yes, I honestly did...I'm not trying to say they sucked, but they missed a lot of opportunities that would have put the game away. It was a story of our offense most of the season that we struggled in the Red Zone. The stats you quote are one reason I feel stats don't tell the whole story.
Of course, I was more disappointed in the defense, but "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?" other than the long Henry run they did a decent job on Henry, actually.
i agree they missed opportunities but the bottom line there for me is they went for 30+ and were doing what they wanted in crunch time before an all pro caliber player made a freak once in a season play... but i'll leave it at that. i personally just cant really put much on the offense there.
its a tough game to stomach in general because a once in a career play(for allen) changed the whole complexion of the playoffs. the guy was 29 for 30 up to that point on sneaks with the only mishap being a botches snap... those freakish instances seemed to be a theme this year 🙄
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4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
5 trips to the RZ and 2 TD, plus an INT deep in our own territory leading to a TENN TD
allen went for 360 and 3 td if i'm not mistaken. they scored 31 and moved the ball at will on the final drive up until the freak 4th down play.... did you honestly come away from that game disappointed in the offense? other than the botched sneak? ..... thats odd to me.
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I'll admit i was less confident in this team than 20's team based on the regular season. But when all was said and done the biggest difference in squads was 21 allens ability to go completely thermonuclear in the biggest of moments and thats why now that the dust has settled this 21 was our best shot in the last 30 years.... luckily i dont think his ability to go above it all is gonna vanish anytime soon.
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5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:
Mike White
Tua
Tyler Heinicke
Davis Mills
Jacoby Brissett
Mac Jones X 3
Lawrence
Trevor Siemian
Cam Newton
Zach Wilson
Good for you bro. Keep it up
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6 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:
I bet he dips it in ranch
BTW aren't they "The Official Pizza Sponsor" of the NFL?
Might be a league requirement to have one in all 32 cities
And it’s phenomenal. Store bought will do but I usually stop into the local bar and pick it up because their recipe is lights out. Sometimes i feel like the people that rip on ranch have only ever had store bought.
… I’ve never seen a whole area be so snobby about one measly condiment. But then again I’ve stuck up for mahomes and his ketchup on steaks. Because like I said upstream….. food snobs suck.
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Pizza Hut is awesome. Pizza Hut with a side of ranch is even better.
…. Food snobs annoy me.
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I personally think the Arrowhead mystique is done with.... They essentially got punched in the mouth in their own house 2 weeks in a row. They just so happened to get bailed out by an epic coaching meltdown.
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Was there not a massively blatant block in the back right there as mahomes rolled out?
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The recipe almost every single year is peaking at the right time, having some things break your way(rodgers and brady going down while bengals beat titans for a home title game), and riding out a QB on a absolute heater to the Lombardi. That was literally all in motion for this squad. No we ARE NOT overplaying or chances of winning the whole dang thing if we take care of those 13 seconds.
"breezed" to it is a bit strong. But we would have been the clear cut favorite coming out of Arrowhead.
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
KC Fans ought to be happy to hear that all 3 scouts said Mahomes >> Allen and Reid >> Daboll
"accuracy concerns"
heh
Man, they go nuclear if you act like there's even a convo to be had. That’s my main gripe with them. They act like their boy is in some sort of mythical “god tier” and then it’s all the other mere peasants…. all while being 12-5.
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The Athletic asked 3 anonymous scouts about each game and to make picks. Dont let any Chiefs fans see this. Tantrum city anytime somebody gets comped to Mahomes.
Bills-Chiefs
Put aside the team aspect for a moment even though many see the winner advancing to, if not winning, the Super Bowl. Have we reached a point where it’s fair to put Bills quarterback Josh Allen in a side-by-side comparison with Patrick Mahomes?
“I think it’s absolutely a question,” Scout 3 said.
That seems preposterous considering Mahomes’ achievements and gifts. However, Buffalo is coming off an unfathomable offensive performance, having scored on all seven of its full drives in last week’s 47-17 thrashing of New England. Allen, the 2020 league MVP runner-up, tossed five touchdown passes and had 376 total yards from scrimmage.
Recency bias or not, Scout 3 said, “Josh Allen just played arguably statistically the best playoff game ever played in NFL history.” The scout views Allen as the better runner. Though he can’t match Mahomes’ arm angles and flexibility, “Allen has essentially the same level arm talent.”
If the quarterbacks play something to a draw, the scouts see plenty of tables getting broken near the Canadian border.
“Scout 2: “Does Buffalo have the best defense of the remaining playoff teams? You could make that argument.”
Scout 1: “I like Buffalo’s defense a lot. Love their safeties. I think if Buffalo just doesn’t give up the big chunk plays, they make Kansas City grind it out, they win this game.”
Scout 3: “I think Buffalo is the more complete team. … Buffalo is on a mission.”
The Bills were on a heater in their 38-20 Week 5 win at Kansas City, as Allen threw three touchdowns. But Kansas City is the two-time defending AFC champion and vanquished Buffalo in last year’s conference championship game.
While the Bills had something of a meandering regular season, the Chiefs overcame a slow start to win nine of their final 10 games before throttling the Steelers 42-21 in the wild-card round. During that 10-game surge, the defense went from supporting cast to allowing the fewest points per game (16.1) since Week 8.
Buffalo plays with five defensive backs more than any team in the league. Scout 3 sees the Chiefs running game with Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Jerick McKinnon (142 yards from scrimmage with a touchdown against Pittsburgh) as the needed ball-control counterpunch.
The teams have playmakers on offense and defense. This game won’t just be about the quarterbacks, and yet, it probably will come down to those players. Despite Allen’s surge, all three scouts chose Mahomes when asked to compare. Scout 1 loves Allen the athlete but still has accuracy concerns, while Scout 2 was unwilling to ignore the people calling plays.
“Mahomes comes with Andy Reid. (Buffalo offensive coordinator) Brian Daboll is no slouch, but Reid is one of the best play callers ever,” Scout 2 said.
For these scouts, Reid and Mahomes will need to dial up a stellar plan against the Bills.
Scout 1: Bills
Scout 2: Bills
Scout 3: Bills-
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28 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:
You gonna let this dude beat you?
I actually respect him more for this than anything he does on the field.
We need to put a stop to condiment shaming…. Especially in buffalo and surrounding areas.
… You do you, Pat!
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38 minutes ago, NewEra said:
This place is different. Yes, there are a boatload of delusional fans here but that board is on a completely different level on delusion.
Bro, I've never seen a fan base more arrogant or get more butt hurt if you even HINT that theres a chance they could lose a game. Its unreal... i've seen it from them on every internet platform. just absurd. I think they honestly believe they are gonna take the AFC for the next decade.
their poster child, Nick Wright, has been having pouty tantrums all week on TV just because the chiefs arent favored by more.
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i read on chiefs planet that he absolutely buckles under pressure..... so i'm confused.
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Simms wants allll the smoke.
Nick Wright is in a corner somewhere plugging his ears, holding his breath, kicking and and screaming like the toddler he is.
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Peter Schrager: Joe Burrow should now be viewed as the top QB in the AFC
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
Back in November she said Mac Jones was the best QB in the conference. When she said Burrow over Allen today, i immediately went back to that moment and then just chuckled.... it doesnt warrant any other reaction really.