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Some interesting reporting with leaked discord messages and interviews with Robinson’s friends: Exclusive: Leaked Messages from Charlie Kirk Assassin “Hey guys, I have bad news for you all … it was me at UVU yesterday.” Thus Tyler Robinson messaged his friends on Discord, seemingly apologizing for murdering Charlie Kirk. “I’m sorry for all of this.” I obtained this and other Discord chats I’ve decided to publish (the legacy news media, as usual, refuses), along with new information I’ve learned about Robinson from the people who knew him best. Trump and company portray the alleged Utah shooter as left-wing and liberals portray him as right-wing. The federal conclusion will inevitably be that he was a so-called Nihilist Violent Extremist (NVE); meanwhile, the crackdown has already begun, as I reported yesterday. The country is practically ready to go to war. “It’s been so terrible and seeing it from an inside perspective is so frustrating,” a friend of Robinson’s since middle school told me. The childhood friend, who asked not to be named for fear of threats, provided me with the above non-public photo of Robinson on a camping trip (a favorite activity of his) to corroborate their relationship. “I think the main thing that’s caused so much confusion is that he was always generally apolitical for the most part,” the friend told me. “That's the big thing, he just never really talked politics which is why it's so frustrating.” The picture that emerges bears little resemblance to the media version. Robinson, I am told, though quiet, was a well-liked person with a supportive family. The friend group who he interacted with on Discord, far from some kind of militia camp or Antifa bunker it’s been portrayed as, represented a range of different political views but mostly talked video games. Yesterday, FBI Director Kash Patel said in an interview that Robinson “subscribed to left-wing ideology,” citing his family’s remarks to investigators. But those close to Robinson say there was a lot his family didn’t know about him. “Their ideas are based on someone they didn't fully understand,” the childhood friend told me. Though the family was generally supportive of Robinson (a claim corroborated by his mother’s Facebook account, brimming with praise for Tyler) they didn’t seem to know about his relationship with a transgender person named Lance, the friend said. When I asked if his family would have been accepting, the friend replied: “I don't think even Tyler knew the answer to that question, which is why he kept it so low key between themselves.” Tyler’s bisexuality, the friend said, was coupled with openness on LGBT issues. But his wasn’t some cookie cutter lefty position on every or even most issues, his friends say. “Obviously he's okay with gay and trans people having a right to exist, but also believes in the Second Amendment,” the friend said, referring to the right to bear arms. The friend described Robinson as fairly typical of a young man his age from Utah: someone who loved the outdoors, was a gamer, and into guns. “To all of us he just seemed like a simple guy who liked playing games like Sea of Thieves, Deep Rock Galactic and Helldivers 2, loved to fish and loved to camp,” the friend said. “It really did seem like that’s all he was about.” The phrase inscribed on one of the bullet casings from the shooting — “Hey fascist, catch!” — though widely reported to mean he was a man of the left, is in fact a reference to the Helldivers 2 game. Three arrows initially believed by federal agents to be a reference to Antifa are also a reference to Helldivers. Private Discord messages shared with me by a friend of Robinson’s confirm that Robinson wasn’t some political martyr. A search for posts of Robinson’s containing keywords like “Biden” and “Trump” turned up just one hit each. The Trump post was a passing reference to the 2019 impeachment inquiry. The Biden one came on the day of the 2020 election, where he provided an update to another friend asking about the status of the vote count. The childhood friend is a member of multiple Discord chats with Robinson. He described the group as trying to grapple with Robinson’s motive just like everyone else. “Even the goodbye message he sent in one of our servers [where Discord chats are hosted] was so hard to believe, we all just thought, what a weird joke to make … then the news came out and we all were calling each other saying check the news,” he said. “Yeah I don’t know what makes a person like him decide he’s going to drive 260 miles upstate to shoot someone like Charlie Kirk, then come back like nothing happened. It leaves a lot of room for speculation and theories which is why I think they’re so rampant.” Part of the confusion he attributes to Tyler’s quiet nature. “He was a really smart guy but super hard to read, stone cold poker face and you could always never be confident assuming anything.” When I asked if he opened up to anyone, the friend replied: “As far as we knew he was opened up.” Despite his verbal reticence, Robinson was not a loner, according to his friends. Unlike the stereotypical outcast shooter driven to violence by social rejection, he was apparently amiable and well-liked. “Everyone who knew him liked him and he was always nice, a little quiet and kept to himself mostly but wasn't a recluse,” the childhood friend said. “Regardless of the horrible actions that took place we must take this moment to remember that God is a living and loving God who loves all his children,” a Discord post from another friend posted the day after the shooting reads. “While Charlie Kirk's politics were not acceptable to some l ask that we all say a prayer for him and his family during these confusing times.” “The last message is religious in nature which just goes to show the apolitical nature of the server, we all have pretty differing views on politics,” the friend said of the discord post. “We all just exist as friends and just play stuff.” Cat memes, weather updates, home improvement and the odd Garfield reference populate Robinson’s posts. “I’m going to eep pretty soon, very eepy,” he said in one post, an intentionally silly misspelling of the word “sleep” — a common Gen Z convention. The federal government, the Washington crowd and corporate media (based in Washington and New York) see the country in wholly partisan terms, Republican versus Democrat, Red versus Blue, old media versus social media, liberal versus conservative, right versus left, straight versus gay, and on and on. Charlie Kirk’s assassination (in Utah!) should remind us of the actual diversity of the nation, and of the cost of polarization that demonizes the other side. No one in Robinson’s group is cheering or justifying the murder in any of the messages I reviewed. They’re just struggling to understand what their friend did. But Washington has become obsessed with the Discord chat, convinced it’s some kind of headquarters for the murder and cauldron of radicalization and conspiracy. Today FBI Director Patel vowed to investigate “anyone and everyone in that Discord chat.” What I see is a bunch of young people shocked, horrified and searching for answers, like the rest of the country.

I think people are doing themselves a disservice if they are trying to fit mass shootings, especially in schools, into traditional left vs. right narratives. The Columbine shooting was more then 25 years ago. Kids today have grown up under the shadow of school shootings and active shooter drills. Combined with the increasing invasiveness of the internet, it's become a meme to some kids. If you want better insight into what's driving much of this, I recommend the below article. From March: Experts warn that recent school shootings show growth in new radicalization pattern Two recent school shootings are highlighting what extremism researchers see as a growing — and poorly understood — trend among young people who embrace mass violence. The attacks, at high schools in Madison, Wis., and Nashville, Tenn., defy categories that law enforcement and researchers have long used to understand radicalization pathways, such as radical Islamist terrorism and white nationalist terrorism. Instead, some researchers say these attacks are examples of "nonideological" terrorism. They say these attacks appear to be the result of several antisocial, decentralized, online networks coming together in ways that encourage and inspire younger children to commit atrocities. "It's really about that violence for the sake of violence," said Matthew Kriner, managing director of the Accelerationism Research Consortium. "There is a growth of intention and design within certain subcultures and subnetworks to inculcate that belief into younger people." In December, Natalie "Samantha" Rupnow killed a student, a substitute-teacher coordinator and herself at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison. The following month, 17-year-old Solomon Henderson killed himself and another student at Antioch High School in Nashville. Both appear to have been heavily influenced by mass killers of the past and preoccupied with the prospect of adding themselves to such a list. "This is sort of the next chapter of what we could call 'far-right violence' looks like at this stage or what terrorism looks like," said Kriner. "One thing that we're trying to get people to start to wrap their heads around is that anything and everything is becoming a viable pathway to violence." The True Crime Community Since the Columbine High School massacre in 1999, shared-interest groups of people who obsess over mass killings have developed across social media platforms. Known as the True Crime Community (TCC), participants delve into detail about perpetrators' backgrounds and how they carried out attacks. Sometimes users share fan fiction inspired by true-life shootings. Both Rupnow's and Henderson's apparent writings indicate that they were immersed in these cultures. Rupnow cited attacks in Finland, Turkey, Crimea and Brazil, among other places, referring to some perpetrators as "One true ideal" or "An Ultimate saint." Henderson, too, listed past killers whom he saw as inspiration for his attack. But experts say that while there are darker corners of the internet that do encourage violent action, the TCC has not generally been one of them. "Within the TCC, you don't see these blatant calls for violence in the same way that you might in neo-Nazi circles online," said Cody Zoschak, a senior manager at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. However, Zoschak says his team is now finding that a growing number of school shooting plots appear to tie back to the TCC. "At this point, we have tracked at least seven, and likely more, school shootings or disrupted school shooting plots in the United States linked to TCC individuals in 2024 alone," he said. "This is a pretty significant number." Zoschak and other analysts believe the shift reflects the blurring of lines between the TCC and other, darker online communities that has accelerated in recent years. Among them is the Terrorgram Collective, a terroristic, neo-fascist network that encourages violence to bring about societal collapse. Also, a subculture referred to as Saints Culture, which venerates mass killers as almost superhuman figures, frames high-casualty attacks as the ultimate and only legacy worth emulating. Other online movements, such as No Lives Matter, promote nihilism as justification for violence. Experts say the result of this melding of communities has been a change in the profile of individuals mobilized to mass violence. "Young Black men, for instance," said Kriner, noting Henderson's background. "This is not something we've seen in the trend of school shooters, especially when we look at it within the context of what the U.S. calls '[the racially motivated violent extremism] RMVE' or Canadians call the 'ideologically motivated violent extremism' space." Kriner noted that the profile is also shifting younger. "Most of the individuals who are targeted for this are falling in the range of 13 to 18," he said. "That is a considerably different targeted range than most of the radicalization targets that we've seen in the past from the neo-fascist movements." Zoschak says it has also widened the reach of violent ideological movements to women. "TCC has perhaps the best gender balance of any extremist community I've seen online," he said. "It is roughly 50/50." Zoschak said girls tend to find their way to the TCC by way of online eating disorder communities. Boys, he said, often come from gore forums, where they have been desensitized to violence through watching graphic videos of torture, injury and death. From there, they may be particularly susceptible to ideological movements oriented around harm to themselves and others. "This isn't the first generation to grow up online, but it's pretty close to it," he said. "And [this reflects] how those types of totally normal teenage hormones and emotions and feelings manifest in troubled individuals and really just spiral and snowball and go to a terrible place in these echo chambers." The meaning of "764," and other dark subcultures Among the more troubling developments within this evolving space is the influence of online networks that groom and sexually exploit minors. One of these, called 764, has come to refer to both a specific network but also this category of community. "It's almost like they're little fandoms, and there's hierarchies, and in each one there are these people that are trying to push their victims to do more and more extreme harm to themselves for clout," said Mack Lamoureux, a former reporter for Vice News, who spent a year investigating 764. "We've seen that they've been connected to kind of nihilistic, accelerationism, misanthropic stuff," he said. "They've been connected to some occult groups, and they've been connected to neo-Nazism. But at the heart of it, it truly seems to be misanthropy and nihilism." Recent cases against people affiliated with 764 and similar communities that preceded it have highlighted the growing concern among law enforcement over these subcultures. This corresponds with a growth in reported cases of child sexual exploitation online that has alarmed child safety advocates. "Between 2023 and 2024, we've had an over 300% increase in reports coming into our cyber tip line regarding some type of violent online group," said Kathryn Rifenbark, director for the cyber tip line at the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. "The ultimate goal of these offenders is that they are wanting that child to perform some type of violent act, whether towards themselves, like self-harm or suicide, or towards another person in real life, or even towards animals." Although it is unclear to what degree Henderson and Rupnow engaged with child sexploitation networks like 764, Henderson's writings, in particular, indicate that there was at least some exposure. "His manifesto showed that he was familiar with the parlance of the group, and he appeared to have engaged with the group," said Zoschak. "And this is where we start seeing these overlaps between online communities that glorify violence. And so, TCC might develop a young troubled person's interest in mass shooters and bring them into that community." The growing presence of child sexploitation networks within the larger landscape of the TCC and violent ideologies is challenging law enforcement to approach cases differently, said Rifenbark. "They are having to join up their counterterrorism folks with their crimes-against-children staff as well, and work together on this," she said. "It needs to have a wider approach taken than other types of victimization in the past due to it having those elements of terrorism along with victimizing children." There is no detailed centralized data on mass shooting plots in the U.S. As analysts continue to develop a framework to better define markers of nonideological radicalization, they have faced a fundamental challenge: a lack of usable data. To begin, Zoschak says, school shooting threats are typically handled in a decentralized, local manner. As a result, there is no single database. Beyond that, he said, law enforcement's approach often is simply to intercept the crime, without an accompanying investigation into what radicalization factors led to it. "What this really requires is a dedicated team digging into the social media every time we get a threat or an arrest or, God forbid, a school shooting," he said. Experts say this would require significant time and expertise. And even in cases where such investment might occur, experts say that the novelty of this radicalization profile may elude investigators. "Most of these individuals are so deeply online, their identities are so deeply intertwined with internet culture or subculture, it's really hard to understand why they're radicalizing or how they're radicalizing, because what they're consuming is like five layers deep of inside jokes and memes," said Kriner. "So the way to detect radicalization is becoming more complex. We're having a harder time identifying individuals before they carry out acts of violence."

Looks like the kids in Nepal elected their interim PM via vote on Discord (how about that, @The Frankish Reich?) Sushila Karki: How Gen Z protestors chose Nepal’s first woman prime minister on Discord “Nepal’s young anti-corruption protestors reportedly used the platform Discord to hold an impromptu vote to pick their first interim woman prime minister days after toppling the KP Sharma Oli government through deadly protests that spread like wildfire across the country.” *** “The parliament of Nepal right now is Discord,” the New York Times quoted 23-year-old content creator Sid Ghimiri as saying. The channel’s organisers are members of the civic organization Hami Nepal, with participants among those who took part in the protests, the outlet reported.”

The violence was abhorrent and will only lead to bad outcomes. But you’re gonna have to come up with more evidence than the fact that Kirk was a Republican and an anonymous quote that is later retracted. Definitely open to this guy being a lefty, but it’s pretty much all conjecture at this point.

Lots of people sharing a quote from a single anonymous source that the outlet has already walked back: ”Editor’s note: This article was updated on 12 September 2025 to remove summarized quotes after the verified source who attended high school with Tyler Robinson said after publication that they could not accurately remember details of their relationship.” Guardian article about Robinson being liberal Everyone looking to jump to conclusions to fit their own narrative instead of waiting for more hard facts to come out.

Here you go, bud The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Incorrect! The Constitution applies to both citizens, and non-citizens alike. The Framers were very careful to be clear about which parts applied to citizens, and which were for all people within the United States. You can read the text for yourself. They mention citizens about a dozen times, and "person" over 20 times. "No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States." Sections that pertain to persons are for all people within the country while sections pertaining to citizens are just for citizens.

Why do you think that?

Hopefully the tractor and dump things don’t happen simultaneously

Thanks for sharing this, it’s very well done. I don’t think most people are ready for how many violent meme cultures and communities like groypers and TCC are out there and how they don’t map onto convenient political narratives.

Kinda telling that according to you, the Dem party is pro-crime and yet the GOP cannot win an election in a city that is apparently a hellhole of crime. If you were right, should be pretty easy for a Republican tough-on-crime candidate to get elected here. Of course, that would require you being correct...

Casings reportedly included the following memes: "Notices bulges, OWO whats this?" "hey facist! Catch! Uparrow, right arrow, three down arrow" "O bella cao, bella cao cao cao" "If you read this you are gay lmao" Not ruling out he did it for the memes/lulz. Wouldn't be the first.

If you still think the National Guard deployments are to provide a solution for crime, I don't think I can help you. Sky is green or whatever you want to believe. I doubt Johnson gets re-elected.

Big, strong Donny backed down when facing pushback. Wish people would learn from this... Trump says National Guard will deploy to Memphis next, sidestepping Chicago for now

Nihilism is pretty common with some of these groups, especially with Gen Zers. Personally, if someone was part of a community that promoted violence, encouraged its members to commit violence, and celebrated them when they did, I wouldn't call the violent acts those of a "lone wolf" even if technically nobody else was legally complicit in the planning or perpetration of the violence. This stuff doesn't fit simple political narratives though. Hard to bludgeon the other side with it. Doesn't mean Kirk's shooter belonged to such a group, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I never said it was? Discord is a popular tool for chats. Lots of communities use it, including some very weird ones.

Nothing for sure, but the phrases written on the cases are very similar to ones commonly used in some online communities. So while we wait for more info, I'd remain open to the possibility that he belonged to some fringe online community and not necessarily acting on his own.

I would not necessarily agree with this at this point. A lot of the people who end up being described as "lone wolves" belonged to fringe online communities. They often talked about their plans to do violence, or were even encouraged to do those acts. We just write them off as lone wolves because things like True Crime Community, Zizians, groypers, or 8chaners don't fit popular narratives.

Groypers hated Charlie too. Doesn't mean they did it, doesn't mean it wasn't someone on the left, but the people who disliked him were not confined to the left. Also could just be a local nutjob taking advantage of a prominent person coming to their town (wouldn't be the first time). Best to avoid jumping to conclusions until we learn more.

Seems like someone who spent too much time on the internet

The Buffalo Meringue: a lot of effort for very soft results

Oh Prime Vision, how I have missed you. Best alternative broadcast out there

Yep. The filibuster isn’t some sacred thing. It’s an accident of history and it should be done away with.

Senate GOP does away with the filibuster when it inconveniences them. Senate Republicans invoke ‘nuclear option’ to change rules to confirm Trump nominees Feels like there may be a lesson in there somewhere…

It continues to remain a good time to avoid jumping to conclusions. "According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.” "But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information." (Source)