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44 minutes ago, BananaB said:
How come they always regroup and never make a play.
Is that fact? Or is that just how it feels? Genuinely curious what the numbers show there.
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16 minutes ago, eball said:
This one aspect of McD’s coaching, in particular, is infuriating. Last night he did it again, multiple times, and all it does is give the offense a chance to regroup and strategize. Why aren’t the Bills practicing these situations during the week so they know what to do when the moment arrives?
Last night McD had a terrible 4th quarter.
Timeouts are for defense. Gives them a chance to regroup as well and get quick reminders about situational play. Playbooks are limited in these situations offensively so the time is used to remind players about what they’ll get out of the few looks they’ll see.
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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Initially I thought the receiver rounded his route and angled to the sideline, but watching it again I can see the subtle change of direction by the receiver from the under throw when Allen let’s go if the ball. Although I still don’t think it was a good route by the receiver out of the break IMHO (think it was Kincaid), but I see where Allen under threw it now.It was Knox - he’s not the smoothest out of breaks but he is right about where he needs to be. That ball should hit at 18 bottom of the numbers on that concept.
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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Watching the All-22 this year, the one thing that has stood out how often there are spacing issues in our play designs, including the interception to open the game against the Pats. Is it Dorsey and poor play design or are the WR's not running the right depths on their routes? That is the question, but given the frequency of it, I am having a hard time believing it's not Dorsey.
The interception was a flood concept. Allen underthrew it and the flat defender made a good play. Spacing was fine.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:
This offense has zero identity
That's the biggest problem... Dorsey has no idea who he wants to be
We should be under center way more where the rbs are more comfortable running power
Don’t think I can recall us running power once this year.
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6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
We’re gonna see this Defensive alignment every week until we (Dorsey) figure out how to beat it.
What defensive alignment?
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1 hour ago, Simon said:
In that case in particular I thought it was just because he was hunting TD's inside the 10 and wasn't interested in picking up 3 yrds.
I don't think he was wrong.
I really do think it’s because of his feet the more I watch it. He was off-base and did have a guy right in his face.
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
So it appears like you are saying for the most part Allen is diagnosing protections properly and doing things the right way regarding progressions, etc...why do you think he seems to be struggling so much against the blitz recently versus 2020 then? He used to destroy teams if they chose to blitz and now it seems to be causing him issues. Are there times he should be using his legs to make teams pay for doing it that he isn't and instead trying to become a Justin Herbert clone?
To be honest there was really only one opportunity for him to step up and escape the pocket and he ended up getting tripped up on it. Teams are doing a good job collapsing the pocket on us.
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28 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:
1st Series
1. 12p - Flood vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection to the Field - Good Concept vs. the Cover 3 look, Patriots bring 5 - protection is good - we slide to the pressure - Josh's eyes are good - corner came off late like it's taught and josh threw an underthrown floater to the out.
2nd Series
1. 11p - H Follow vs. Cover 1 - Half Slide Protection to the Field - Great concept getting the rub vs man coverage - Patriots bring 4 - protection is good - throw is good.
2. 11p - HBO vs. Bracket - Slide Protection to the Field - Protection was called correctly - Patriots bring 3 and spy with the 4th - Brown lost his 1v1 - Nice throw and catch between Allen and Cook on the scramble drill. Allen worked the two receiver side vs the man look to go for the big play to Sherfield on the vertical - had Diggs to the field early (even though they had bracket coverage on him on a rub - looked there but protection was breaking down and didn't have a base set to throw.
3. 11p - PAP Corner-Post Concept vs. Cover 3 - Outside Zone Blocking Scheme - Based off the protection it looks like Josh got too wide in his drop and then got caught outside of his pocket and was forced to roll to the sideline and eventually eat it. Play was designed to bring the defense down to the OZ side and then hit Diggs on the Post as it cross the MoF Safeties face. Dig route by the Tight End brought the underneath defenders forward to create the open spacing for Diggs to be wide open if Allen were able to sit inside Brown within the protection.
4. 11p - Curl/Arrow vs. 1 Rat - Half Slide Protection - Patriots rush 5 - Protection is called correctly - Good coverage - Allen recognizes man and tries to take off - gets tripped up - Barmore beats Morse with a club rip and gets widened into Dawkins allowing DE to work back upfield to get to Allen
5. 11p - Tunnel vs. Man - Good pitch and catch for a 1st Down to Cook. Great call vs. what we got from the defense and a great way to SCHEME COOK into the pass game
6. 11p - RPO Bubble vs. Cover 6 - Dart Blocking Scheme - Good call - 3 over 3 coverage - Dart actions holds the backer - we cross block the bubble to gain advantage on angles and pick up about 8 yards. This is the type of stuff that doesn't get noticed by anyone - the design of this play to 1) get a numbers advantage and 2) block it in a way to give us a huge advantage is a master class in play design.
7. 11p - T Choice vs. Quarters - Half Slide Protection - Patriots bring 6 - Protection was called correctly - Diggs is lined up in our backfield so Allen can't keep the back in for Scan protection - the 6th rusher will be free and Josh has to recognize that and throw hot off the 6th rusher - Allen recognizes the rushes - stares at Shakir who's our hot and instead of setting his feet and throwing he panics and tries to escape the pocket - should have been an easy pitch and catch - this ones on Allen
8. 12p - H Choice vs. Bracket - Slide Protection - Patriots rush 3 - Protection called correctly - Torrence blows the protection - after he realizes he doesn't have an outside threat he just freezes and doesn't help Morse who gets beat by Barmore - Josh still able to throw TD pass to Knox which was called back for OPI.
9. 12p - H Follow vs. Quarters - Slide Protection - Protection called correctly - Pats rush 3 spy 1 - Allen reads the H Follow side first sees it's not there and scrambles to the field - unfortunate because the patriots were in a version of Quarters where the corner mans 1 and the cover down and high safety are playing combo coverage on 2 and 3 - with the route concept we had called it set up a natural pick and both Knox and Kincaid were wide open
3rd Series
1. 11p - PAP Curl/Arrow vs. Cover 6 - BOB Protection - Patriots rush 4 - Protection called correctly - Allen hits Kincaid in the flat on the arrow
2. 11p - Flood vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - Protection called correctly - Patriots rush 4 - Torrence loses his 1v1 - Josh escapes the pocket and probably should have just dumped it to Murray and let him get what he could, but he tries to extend the play and has options in Knox and Diggs open - overthrows Diggs on the Out.
All I got time for right now, but I'll try and get some more done later tonight if I have time.
4th Series
1. 11p - Curl/Swing vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - Pats rush 4 - correct protection - Allen throws to Kincaid on the curl
2. 12p - PAP Deep Curl vs. Cover 3 - BOB Protection - Pats send 6 because we 7 man protect it - Allen hits Kincaid over the middle
3. 11p - Curl/Arrow vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - called correctly - Hit Davis on the Curl
4. 12p - PAP HBO vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - called correctly - Looked for Diggs on the Out n' Up - Patriots shaded his side and forced Josh to look backside - had Davis open on the route conversion - Allen over throws out of bounds with pressure in his face - Godchaux beat Morse with a spin after a failed chop rip - Josh held the ball too long (just over 4 seconds in the pocket)
5. 11p - Snag 7 vs. Cover 2 - Slide Protection - called correctly - Pats rush 4 - Allen hits Kincaid on the snag
6. 11p - Mesh vs. Man 7 - Full Slide Protection - Pats rush 6 - Protection set correctly - Allen is responsible for the free rusher off the edge - wants to throw the hot to Cook - but it's covered - Torrence and Morse both get badly beat - this is a dead play that Allen needs to just dirt
7. 11p - Switch Choice vs. Quarters - Slide Protection - Pats rush 5 - Allen initially looks boundary side Smash concept - sees the corner sink and moves on - sees corner/safety playing the vertical seam by Davis - looks like he's throwing a blind ball (or he's throwing it away) to what he assumes will be Switch Verts to the near pylon but Shakir rightly converted it to a hitch because the flat defender had vertical leverage on him
That's your first half.
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
First, thank you for taking the time to do this. Can you maybe share your thoughts on why, if Allen was staring down the hot as to why he would just stare him down and not throw it? I can't see the play you are referring to but I am envisioning that he is open if he is the hot and Allen has identified the right throw... so why isn't he throwing it? I have noticed other times that Allen sees the right guy but doesn't make the throw. It baffles me why that is.
Based on his footwork it looked like he thought he wouldn't be able to get the pass off in time.
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On 10/23/2023 at 8:23 AM, Dukestreetking said:
@HoofHearted question/request:
If/when you get a chance, can you do 'Line/QB Pass error analysis" for this game? Always interesting, helpful...realize it's probably time-consuming.
May be available already in the many threads, but haven't seen it. Thanks.
1st Series
1. 12p - Flood vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection to the Field - Good Concept vs. the Cover 3 look, Patriots bring 5 - protection is good - we slide to the pressure - Josh's eyes are good - corner came off late like it's taught and josh threw an underthrown floater to the out.
2nd Series
1. 11p - H Follow vs. Cover 1 - Half Slide Protection to the Field - Great concept getting the rub vs man coverage - Patriots bring 4 - protection is good - throw is good.
2. 11p - HBO vs. Bracket - Slide Protection to the Field - Protection was called correctly - Patriots bring 3 and spy with the 4th - Brown lost his 1v1 - Nice throw and catch between Allen and Cook on the scramble drill. Allen worked the two receiver side vs the man look to go for the big play to Sherfield on the vertical - had Diggs to the field early (even though they had bracket coverage on him on a rub - looked there but protection was breaking down and didn't have a base set to throw.
3. 11p - PAP Corner-Post Concept vs. Cover 3 - Outside Zone Blocking Scheme - Based off the protection it looks like Josh got too wide in his drop and then got caught outside of his pocket and was forced to roll to the sideline and eventually eat it. Play was designed to bring the defense down to the OZ side and then hit Diggs on the Post as it cross the MoF Safeties face. Dig route by the Tight End brought the underneath defenders forward to create the open spacing for Diggs to be wide open if Allen were able to sit inside Brown within the protection.
4. 11p - Curl/Arrow vs. 1 Rat - Half Slide Protection - Patriots rush 5 - Protection is called correctly - Good coverage - Allen recognizes man and tries to take off - gets tripped up - Barmore beats Morse with a club rip and gets widened into Dawkins allowing DE to work back upfield to get to Allen
5. 11p - Tunnel vs. Man - Good pitch and catch for a 1st Down to Cook. Great call vs. what we got from the defense and a great way to SCHEME COOK into the pass game
6. 11p - RPO Bubble vs. Cover 6 - Dart Blocking Scheme - Good call - 3 over 3 coverage - Dart actions holds the backer - we cross block the bubble to gain advantage on angles and pick up about 8 yards. This is the type of stuff that doesn't get noticed by anyone - the design of this play to 1) get a numbers advantage and 2) block it in a way to give us a huge advantage is a master class in play design.
7. 11p - T Choice vs. Quarters - Half Slide Protection - Patriots bring 6 - Protection was called correctly - Diggs is lined up in our backfield so Allen can't keep the back in for Scan protection - the 6th rusher will be free and Josh has to recognize that and throw hot off the 6th rusher - Allen recognizes the rushes - stares at Shakir who's our hot and instead of setting his feet and throwing he panics and tries to escape the pocket - should have been an easy pitch and catch - this ones on Allen
8. 12p - H Choice vs. Bracket - Slide Protection - Patriots rush 3 - Protection called correctly - Torrence blows the protection - after he realizes he doesn't have an outside threat he just freezes and doesn't help Morse who gets beat by Barmore - Josh still able to throw TD pass to Knox which was called back for OPI.
9. 12p - H Follow vs. Quarters - Slide Protection - Protection called correctly - Pats rush 3 spy 1 - Allen reads the H Follow side first sees it's not there and scrambles to the field - unfortunate because the patriots were in a version of Quarters where the corner mans 1 and the cover down and high safety are playing combo coverage on 2 and 3 - with the route concept we had called it set up a natural pick and both Knox and Kincaid were wide open
3rd Series
1. 11p - PAP Curl/Arrow vs. Cover 6 - BOB Protection - Patriots rush 4 - Protection called correctly - Allen hits Kincaid in the flat on the arrow
2. 11p - Flood vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - Protection called correctly - Patriots rush 4 - Torrence loses his 1v1 - Josh escapes the pocket and probably should have just dumped it to Murray and let him get what he could, but he tries to extend the play and has options in Knox and Diggs open - overthrows Diggs on the Out.
All I got time for right now, but I'll try and get some more done later tonight if I have time.
@Big Turk You had asked about protections I think.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I literally pointed out all the things that are factually wrong about what you said and that is your reply. Cool story bro
You still have provided zero evidence to back your stances. Can't describe scheme. Can't understand scheme and how it affects the other side of the ball. You have no awareness as to what we are doing as an offense to attack defenses, and no awareness as to what defenses are doing to us. Without any of that I don't know how you can come up with any solutions. All you've done is say a bunch of words that don't mean a whole lot at the end of the day.
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10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Geezus, no need to be this pompus and dense. I have already answered this question.
LMAO...this is a ridiculous reply. You are categorically wrong about what the "purpose" of us running 12 personnel for us is supposed to be...I don't know what else to tell you. They did NOT trade up in the first to draft Kincaid so he and Knox could "draw guys in" to get 1 on 1 matchups on the outside for Diggs who is hardly ever going to see a 1 on 1 regardless and Davis who scares no one and produces 1-3 catches a game in the majority of his games. If you can't understand that Kincaid was drafted...traded up for...to be a receiving weapon then there is no reason to keep talking about this.
I mean Beane literally said "he wasn't drafted to block"..."its more like 11.5 personnell" with Kincaid a big slot...etc etc. If you want to reply with this ridiculous comment "Beane isn't a coach" and not even realize that all you are doing is furthering my original point about how Dorsey is NOT utilizing the mismatches and advantages correctly that Kincaid and even Knox provide in that formation, then I don't know what to tell you and no need to keep discussing it.
Here we go...the absolute waste of time "Season Total" stats that literally provide NO CONTEXT what so ever of week to week involvement or production. Its comical to see you say watch the tape, when clearly you are not and just trying to use stats to manipulate the stance.
if you think Davis is a quality WR2 then I don't know what to tell you. And I was a guy who was once again high on him after his strong camp and contract year. But you don't seem to understand enough about WR's to evaluate them correctly. Because if you did, you would see a guy in Davis who struggles on routes that don't have straight line cuts or rounded routes. I don't care if he is a good blocker, we are NOT a power running team, we are an air it out offense and he isn't doing enough week to week to justify 96% of the snaps, and that is true his whole career.
You wan to look at stats...go check is poor career catch rate. Go check how many 100 yard games he has had during his first 3 seasons. Go check how many games he has under 50 yards. Go check how many games he has 3 catches or less. Go check how many games he barely registers an impact. Go check how many games we literally lost where he had a key drop that might have changed the outcome of the game.
I could care less about the meaningless end of year totals. He will have one big game, a few decent games and a bunch of duds. That is Davis. His "Big Game Davis" name is not accurate, its ironic because it only happens like once a year. In 7 playoff games he has 2 good games (KC and Miami last year).
Disagree.
That is rich coming from a guy who thinks we traded up for a TE after signing a TE to $50M contract so we could run 12 personnel to get 1 on 1's on the outside with a guy who still won't get 1 on 1's and a guy who doesn't produce when he gets 1 on 1.
LMAO...guess the offense is perfect then.
PS: No...No...No it hasn't. We had SEVEN points midway through the 4th quarter against Jags and lowly Giants. We had a terrible 2nd half against the Jets too. That is not in anyway "unstoppable" in the 2nd half. For a guy who keeps telling me I know nothing about football and need to watch the games, you sure seem to have a lot of stuff wrong.
Stop. You don't have a clue to what the film shows. To do that, you would have know the play call, the hot read, the order of progression on the play, the coverage, etc. Just because you see a guy open on film does not in anyway equate to "we have designed plays to get Cook the ball in open space in the pass game". You say a lot of disrespectful and smart a** responses in your replies for no reason, but you keep just flat out making claims you can't possibly make and saying things that are just not accurate.
Are there plays where Allen had opportunities to get Cook the ball and didn't see him, or the pass pro broke down and forced Allen elsewhere, etc etc...sure...but again, none of that means it was a play design to scheme Cook open and that Cook was the focus of the play but Allen went rogue and ignored it. Other teams make the RB a priority in the pass game, a focal point to get them the ball. We have yet to do that with Cook despite the fact the whole reason we drafted Cook was to be that kind of weapon for us.
If you want to discuss things...then great...Im all for it, differing opinions and all. But if you want to pompous with weak attempts to flex your "knowledge" is better than everyone else schtick then try elsewhere cuz it ain't landing here.
Pompous lol. Coming from the guy who says he has all the answers and is trying to tell the professional football coach what to do. I just don't know how many ways I can say you don't know what you're talking about 🤷♂️. Sorry for hurting your feelings though.
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1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:
I am really confused by this. The Offense did start off slow but:
1. scored 25 points against a team that was 0-24 when a team gets 24 or more points.
2. Got a 3 point lead with I believe 1:54 left in the game. All the bills D had to do was stop the worst scoring O in the NFL from getting a TD in order to not lose the game.
3. Yes the Bills D has a lot of injuries on it, but hello! The Patriots have the worst O and they gave up 29 points to them, more than doubling their normal output.
4. The Bills D per numerous sources only got 22% pressure on Jones who up until Sunday was the most pressured QB in the NFL.
My point? The Bills D would worry more a heck of a lot more than the Bills O because if they gave up 29 to the worst O what will they give up to teams like Dallas,KC, and Philly?
Your O be fine, even sleep walking through a half they still managed 25 points.
It's easier to gripe about offense. Most people don't know what they're looking at when it comes to defensive football.
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2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Not FB style runs up the middle.
Please enlighten me, what are those again? Diagram and describe the scheme while you're at it 😉
3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:No no no. This is NOT what we traded up for Kincaid to be...he was NOT drafted to pull people in and get 1 on 1 on the outside, nor are we getting that with Diggs who is regularly doubled. From Beanes mouth he was drafted to catch a lot of passes, to be a big slot, to be a weapon...not a decoy. You don't run 12 personnel to "try and get 1 on 1's" on the outside with a doubled WR in Diggs and Davis who has a limited route tree and struggles to get separation.
The entire purpose of Kincaid was to run as Beane called it 11.5 personnel and make him a big part of our offense. So again, you do not grasp what we are supposed to be doing with our 12 personnel but instead highlighting why we need to run less of it because its being used improperly.
Last time I checked Beane aint a coach. I'm telling you what the Bills have been doing, and why they are having success doing it the way they've been doing. It's just not what you want and you have no evidence to support what you want would be better.
5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:A WR2 is not a TE...his value needs to exceed "run blocking", especially when we don't run a lot. Hines Ward was an excellent run blocker, but he was a dangerous WR too. Davis does not produce as a WR and we are not a power fun team. So he should not be on the field 96% of snaps. This comment here is even MORE puzzling to me based on your comments above where you are trying to sell that the 12 personnel is designed to draw guys in to get 1 on 1's on the outside...well Davis is on the outside, and he is the one getting 1 on 1's and guess what...he isn't producing just like his whole career of a couple decent games a year and a whole bunch of duds.
53 receptions for 843 and 10 TDs. If I told you that would be the production from our #2 receiver at the beginning of the season no one would have batted an eye. Everyone is up in arms because he didn't do anything against the Pats, but again haven't watched the tape. He was used a lot as a collector in concepts. Pulling defenders vertically with him to open up stuff underneath. Why do you think Kincaid had the day he did.
8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:Check the stats. I have already stated why.
You've provided none...
9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:You are literally describing the definition of predictable.
No I'm describing how defenses align to offensive sets. Has nothing to do with what we do out of them. The game has rules. Learn them.
10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:So then every failed OC can labeled as execution being the reason. If the players only better executed what he wanted to do then it would have worked. Literally can be said about every fired OC in NFL history. I hate this excuse. It is the OC's job to literally put the offense in positions to where they do execute, plays they are comfortable with, game plans that can get them into rhythm. The fact the offense has been pathetic, anemic, and flat in the last 3 first half of games against weak opposition says everything about Dorsey and how he scripts the beginning of games. And in 2 of those games, the offense didn't come to life until the 4th quarter where Josh started to do more Superman things and the offense when into hurry up. Why is it taking so long for Dorsey to make these changes and get the offense going every week?
The offense has been unstoppable the second half of games with virtually no changes.
12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:I have, this blanket statement does not even remotely address what I said.
It does. The film shows we have designed plays to get Cook the ball in open space in the pass game. Should it be more? Probably, which is what I said in my initial response, but the scheme is there.
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10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Disagree. You want to run designed runs, then roll him out, not run him like a FB up the middle off the snap. And Josh improvising with his legs is a big part of his game, taking that away isn't making him mature as a passer, its making him work against his instincts. Josh never was a run first QB, he has always looked to throw before running, but now he waits too long for the pass and has missed many opportunities these last 3 weeks where he could have made a positive play by pulling the ball down and taking off and either giving him a better chance for the first down or at least shortening the down to go yardage on the next play.
So do you want designed runs or no?
10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:When you run something more than anything, then statistically its going to produce yards because you still have Josh Allen and Diggs. But from an efficiency stand point, its not been good. You can't sit here and say how successful its been when we had 7 points midway through the 4th quarter of weeks 5 and 6 and just 10 points in week 7. There is nothing "successful" about the offense the past 3 weeks and against weak to bad competition to boot. We should be on a 3 game losing streak, but Giants beat themselves.
And sorry, I assure you I know plenty about football. And I would say you are actually the one who doesn't understand the mismatches with a 2 TE attack given you just lumped in production that is heavily Diggs and not the TE's. Kincaid was drafted to be a receiving weapon, and coming into this game he was averaging UNDER 7 yards per catch and so was Knox. They are not using our 2 athletic TE's to put pressure anywhere else down field. The offense still produces because we still have Allen and Diggs out there, but that in no way is an indicator that we are using the 2 TE set to an advantage out there, and if you don't believe it, just go rewatch the last 3 games.
If Kincaid and Knox are not being used as anything other than short dump offs or decoys, that is NOT taking advantage of mismatches, that is a poor use of the 12 personnel set, poor use of a first round TE we traded up for, and poor use a $50M TE. If we hid the names and looked only at the stat sheet, everyone would say Buffalo needs to draft a TE next year because ours average less than 7 YPC through 6 games and have pathetic production. And this gets magnified when you factor in the only other target out there besides Diggs is Davis who struggles to get separation and it puts a ton of pressure on the Allen to Diggs connection. There is a reason there is so much talk we are too reliant on Diggs offensively.
I'm referring to on a per play basis - not in totality. PAP out of 12p has an ANYA of 12.42 (11p is 7.86) and regular drop back is at 6.03 ANYA (11p is 4.86). Again, you don't understand what you are looking at. We are using 12p, more often than not, to pull defenders into the box and create 1 on 1's on the outside forcing teams to play Quarters, Roll 3, or play Man against those looks. We've seen a lot more 3 than we have anything else against it which is why the tight end usage out of 12p has been minimal. There's a "why" for all of these things, but you either haven't watch the tape or just don't understand what you're watching enough to figure it out.
10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:We are not running the ball enough to justify Davis getting 96% of the snaps because he is good at blocking.
I'm really not sure how to respond to this. If he's in on the vast majority of run plays, and is also in on the vast majority of pass plays he's going to have a high percentage of snaps. Who would you want to replace him outside because the guy you mentioned is a slot.
10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:Still not enough
Why? Explain to me, and provide facts to back you up.
10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:This has more to do with how predictable Dorsey is than anything else.
It has more to do with teams having to bring defenders into the box when we're in our Ace or Tight End Wing sets. Again, watch the film - it'll give you answers.
10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:And this is the biggest issue with Dorsey, he just is consistently out coached and is poor to adjust.
I just described to you how he has adjusted to different defenses week to week to attack what they are doing and your response is he doesn't adjust? Execution has been the issue - not the play calling. This has been very clear. We haven't come out with anything different after halftime - we're still running the same sets and the same plays out of those sets as we did in the first half and the offense has been nearly unstoppable in the second half of these games. Again, it's an execution issue - not a scheme or play calling issue.
10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:I don't buy that, lesser QB's and lesser teams throw to their RB's all the time because its part of their game plan. Cook is far too often a check-down often late in the read progression. And when you got an arm talent like Allen, he is more likely to see a throw he feels he can make before he gets back to Cook on the check-down, and that is assuming the OL held long enough to get through his progressions which it hasn't been doing a good job as of late.
Again, watch the film. It's there. I don't really know what else to tell you.
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3 hours ago, Buckets said:
They're one and the same.
My point was if you fire him mid-season we'll just continue to run the same scheme - so what's the point.
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15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
Was watching some of the game earlier, didn't see much, if any, three man pass rush.
I'll watch more when I have time. Do you know what part of the game they used only three?
It wasn’t meant to be three man. Settle just wasted himself.
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1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:
Yup, so imagine what D coordinators are thinking when they prepare for this offense....
Pretty shocking that someone on the staff is not going to McDermott to point these things out.
Dorsey is just plain lazy--and maybe not that bright as well.
They converted on 5 of the 6 soooooo.
Pretty shocking fans take these things at face value without ever watching the tape to figure out “why”.
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23 minutes ago, MPT said:
We rushed 4 on 84% of defensive snaps. Couldn't find any blitz stats yet but I'm pretty sure we were way above our season average. Still couldn't get pressure and Mac had all day to sit back and find the open guys.
I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. I'll see if I can add a video.
EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about. Look at Settle.
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Williams didn't play as bad as I initially thought. He was misaligned a couple times. Didn't fit correctly or was slow to fit on the split zone the Patriots ran a few times, but the thing that got him benched was giving up the big pass to Bourne on mesh. He had a bust in every series.
8 hours ago, PBF81 said:No disagreement, but they knew that when they drafted him.
Here's what we need to understand, yesterday's game forced our defense into a more traditional role, or at least that's the way it ended up.
We're not built for that for the very reason you stated. McD's D has been predicated upon swarming players rotating in and out. In this game he had to rely more on his depth. Without Milano we have no one that's stout at the point of attack up-the-middle, even a brick-footed larger LB would have been useful, although he wouldn't have fit into the D the way that it's run.
File under if you're going to run this kind of a D, best to make sure you have the appropriate depth players. We obviously don't, and opponents, offensively weak ones, have figured out how to capitalize on it.Still, it doesn't' explain why three of our leading pass rushers, all of whom played, two of which started, netted 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, and only 1 QB Hit. Rousseau, Floyd, and AJE, oddly all getting only about 50% of the snaps.
Plan on seeing more of the offensive game-plan that Belichick brought. Our defense in general is average or so, but our rushing D is bottom-dwelling right now. It's one of our worst in franchise history. There's no reason to expect that to change. And considering that the offenses that we've played to date are ranked ...
So far, besides Miami, we've faced the 14th, 22nd, 25th, 27th, 29th, and 30th ranked Yardage Offenses, and ...
the 9th, 18th, 20th, 30th, 31st, and 32nd ranked Scoring Offenses.
Coming up we face offenses on the other end of the spectrum.
Because we essentially rushed 3 all day. Settle added absolutely nothing to the pass rush and often times automatically played as a low box player not even attempting to win a rush. Hard to get home when it's 3 v 6.
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5 hours ago, Big Turk said:
The issue that needs to be fixed is why does it take til halftime to adjust and why can't you make these same adjustments after the 1st or 2nd drive of the 1st half? Fix that and they go back to putting up crazy numbers.
That’s the most frustrating thing, and I’m sure what’s frustrating for Dorsey right now. We aren’t making sweeping adjustments we’re just executing better in the second half of games. By and large we’re running the same sets and calling the same plays from those sets the second half of these games.
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4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Not a fan of Dorsey or the excuses he gets...but since the odds of him being replaced in season are so low, this is to focus on what he and the offense need to do to turn this thing around. And with the injuries on Defense, we absolutely need the offense to be better. This is ALSO assuming no trades, just working with what we have.
Well its not rocket science even though it seems hard for Dorsey to figure out who honestly just feels out of his depth right now from a coaching perspective. So let me help him out...
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TURN JOSH ALLEN LOOSE! - This whole over correction after the Jets game is just as bad as the Jets game was.
- Josh did NOT need to run less...he needed to take less hits.
- Josh did NOT need to run less...we needed less called runs off the snap up the middle like a FB into the teeth of the defense.
- Josh did NOT need to run less...he needed to be smarter and not fight for extra meaningless yards once he made the play.
- The bottom line is that this was a MAJOR part of the NIGHTMARES that DC's had to defend against because he made you pay and pay bad when you didn't account for it. Taking this out of his game has made Dorsey vanilla offense even easier to defend and its taken away Superman's cape to a degree. Josh is more hesitant than I have ever seen him and it's because he is playing in a way to fight his own instincts. When you have a talent as special as him, you live with the good and the bad because the good SUBSTANTIALLY out weights the bad.
- SCRAP THE OVERUSE OF 12 PERSONNEL! - If we are not going to use the 12 personnel to put a ton of pressure on the defense and take advantage of mismatches, then STOP running it so much. You are not Belichick, you have no clue how to utilize this to our advantage so stop over using it until you figure out how to make defenses pay with it.
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REDUCE DAVIS SNAP DOMINANCE! - There is absolutely no reason for Davis to have the most snaps on offense (96%), especially when he is producing so little with it.
- Shakir is starting to earn more trust with the coaches and he is making key plays when given chances to do so. His snap % has gone up every week since week 1 where it started at 10% and was 34% week 7. HOWEVER...Davis snap counts are NOT going down, that means we are still limiting the other personnel to keep Davis on the field more.
- We need more snaps that have BOTH Shakir and Kincaid on the field more. Let Shakir work the slot short stuff so Kincaid can hit the seem, midfield, etc and put more pressure on the defense. Right now, Kincaid is seeing too much short underneath stuff and that is not what we drafted him for.
- PUT JOSH UNDER CENTER MORE! - Geezus Dorsey, are you the only person who watches football that hasn't seen the significantly higher level of success and production when Josh is under center vs the shotgun????
- STOP RUNNING SO MUCH OUT OF SHOTGUN! - As I already said above, this offense is so much better with Allen under center, and the play action has been a major weapon of this offense. So start lining up under center and running the ball from there too so it only further helps sell the play action even more.
- STUDY PHILLY QB SNEAK TUSH PUSH! - How are we not literally doing the same thing with Josh? Yes we ran some sneaks, but they are not as good as Philly's and we don't do it often enough. It should be a major weapon in our offense and practically immediate goto play with 1.5 yards to go or less.
- MORE QUICK STRIKE READS! - Josh Allen again on Sunday was night and day better on drop backs where the ball came out quickly. And I know there is more that goes into it than just saying more quick strike reads (guys got to get open, OL needs to do its part, Josh needs to make the right read, etc). But its pretty easy to tell when that wasn't the type of call, like when Josh makes a deep drop and then you can see the first looks are downfield which take longer to develop.
- THROW TO JAMES COOK! - There is no reason or excuse where James Cook shouldn't get at least 5 targets in a game. Cook should be getting 18+ touches a game between running and receiving. And despite being drafted to be a receiving weapon, Dorsey just isn't getting him involved enough in that area.
I mean, this isn't rocket science. It doesn't take a professional GM or OC to look at the tape and literally see Josh playing like he has some sort of speed restrictor on his gas pedal out there. Don't get me wrong, taking what the D gives him is something Josh needed to be better about rather than always trying to buy time to find big chunk plays. However, there has been a gross over correction now, especially in regards to Josh using his legs to make plays. And honestly, go watch Allen highlights, its those plays where he runs someone over, stiff arms someone, etc etc that you will see Josh the most fired up. He feeds off those moments and it brings him to another gear few players have.
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1. Designed runs are going to be the most effective way to get Josh going in the run game and put stress on a defense. You don't want those though as they are designed to hit between the tackles in most instances. So what you are actually asking for is for Josh to get out of the pocket and scramble more? Have there been times this year where Josh has had the opportunity to tuck it and gain some yards, sure, but I do think this is a big step in his maturation as a QB to learn how to operate within a pocket. Is it a struggle right now, sure, but it will set us up for long-term success later.
2. You want to scrap 12 personnel yet it has been the most successful personnel package we've had throwing the ball both with and without play action and it's not even close. You also say we're not taking advantage of mismatches within the personnel group, but you don't have a clue what you're looking for. By being in 12p and sitting in these loaded box formation we are forcing defenses out of their Cover 2 shells and allowing our receivers to do big time damage down the field. Josh on play action out of 12p this season is 23/32 for 397 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 12.42 A/NYPA. So, yes, we are taking major advantages of the mismatches created by 12p - you just don't know enough football to understand what those mismatches are that we're taking advantage of.
3. Davis is the best run blocking WR we have on the roster. That's why his snap count is so high. To your point though - there is absolutely reason to get Shakir more involved in the pass game running the option routes from the slot that Cole use to run. With Knox out for an indefinite period of time I'd expect to see more of him in the slot. I'd also like to see Harty get more involved in the pass game. Harty has the physical ability to be a defensive nightmare in the slot with his speed and agility. My concern currently is that he's struggling to pick up the offense (pure speculation on my part based on a couple of Gabe's comments the other day). He's a weapon though with the ball in his hand, and when called upon this season he has shown flashes on extreme athleticism.
4. Josh has been under center more and more - the more we've used play action in the pass game. There has to be balance.
5. We've been at our worst running the football out of 12p which has been more under center than in gun (3.26 yards per carry). This myth that getting a full head of stem on runs helps you gain more yards just isn't true. The run game is all about taking proper paths, angles, physicality, timing, and numbers - nothing more - nothing less.
6. They're protecting Josh as much as possible. Whether right or wrong - that's what's happening.
7. This has to do with what the defense is giving us. I haven't gotten to the A22 from the Patriots yet, but from the broadcast it sounded like that Pats were primarily in C2 looks which takes away our deep passing game and thus opening the underneath. Against the Jags they were primarily in C3 looks and we tried to take advantage of those by running different types of levels concepts to the sidelines. It's a fantastic way to attack Cover 3, but takes longer to develop in some instances. Against the Giants they were running a lot of 1 Rat to start the game and we tried to take advantage of it with our crossers. The gameplan can not and should not look the same week to week. If it did there'd be some serious concerns with Dorsey.
8. I agree Cook needs to get more touches in the pass game, but it certainly hasn't been for lack of trying. We've schemed him wide open multiple times on mesh and for whatever reason Allen is staring down Diggs instead of taking what the defense is giving him. We've also design various rub routes to get him open in the RedZone. His lack of targets definitely isn't because of lack of trying.
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TURN JOSH ALLEN LOOSE! - This whole over correction after the Jets game is just as bad as the Jets game was.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Normally I don't buy these reports, however this account had us as a team that called on Trey Lance a few days before it was known. They have been correct many times on 49er related things in the past and do seem to have some inside knowledge.
That said, it makes some sense with Milano out and Williams being benched 2 games in a row. On defense I know the hot topics are 1T and CB...but this is a position to watch in the coming week for sure.
These guys are constantly putting out feelers. Don’t think he’s not putting out feelers for multiple positions.
And specifically you want to get an idea of top end and low end so you can set a market value.
Some interest stats to ponder before our game tonight (11 personnel vs 12, Allen, Defense)
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It was Kincaid - his arrow route depth of 4-5 is right where it should be. This concept has been a staple of Dorsey's because he's using it as a multiple coverage beater. The way they are running it is essentially Smash with a Vertical collector to beat both Cover 2 and Cover 3 looks. The collector (vertical) pulls the deep defender and puts the flat defender in conflict.