HoofHearted
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7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
payton is notorious for calling 4 verticals against thatgiven our secondary and their receivers they pre snap can call the lollipop and know there is a decent chance the DB will not execute on the level of the WR.
we begged them to target our weakness with the not unlikely result being we never touch the ball again.
You throw a back shoulder to draw dpi. You throw a “lollipop” out of desperation. Don’t give the Broncos more credit than they deserve…
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2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:
It doesn't work that way. You don't get to judge coaching decisions based on the outcome of plays.
You can only judge a decision at the time it was made.
People have been talking all day about this idiotic decision by McDermott, precisely because it inherently puts the Bills defense in a vulnerable position, and opens the door for a good coach/QB to exploit you.
It was on its face the wrong decision at the time the decision was made.
That was my entire point… lol
But I’ll play. What was the better call?
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7 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said:
LOL. Dude, what is going on in your head? You obviously understand traits and tendencies, based on a few responses in this thread. Calling two almost full-house blitzes in a row is not wise. I’m not gonna argue this stuff any longer - you win! Just like “Big Brain Sean” won the game last night…because if it had been an incompletion, an incompletion with one nickel back in coverage, because did I mention the whole almost full- house blitz two plays in a row thing would’ve been universally recognized by the football talking heads as “ brilliant playcalling…?” So, you go ahead and live in your world and I’ll reside in football reality. Deal?
I’m simply asking you to back up your OP, but instead you’ve just floundered around and become defensive.
2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:I figure 3rd and 10 from the 45 they'd be willing to take 5-7 yards and try the FG
And if we sat back in zone they probably would have. By blitzing we forced them into making a low percentage throw. It didn’t work in our favor. Doesn’t make it a bad call though.
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3 minutes ago, Mango said:
The 12 guys on the field and same exact defensive call 2 plays in a row is what soured me on McD. Just, like, he did everything pretty much right all game long on his side of the ball. And to just botch those things.
Then everybody’s pressers? And the QB isn’t playing well.
Maybe Brady turns this thing around on offense. But right now my money is on that he’s lost the locker room or very close to it. I think his message has gone stale.
It wasn’t the same call. They ran two different pressures. The first set up the second.
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2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
A first ends the game without Josh touching the ball. A blitz that’s all or nothing increases the odds of that first. Even a kick with 40 seconds and a timeout isn’t catastrophic- only a first down is.How so? Do you know the completion rate of the ball that was thrown?
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@SnappysnackcakesSo you can’t… got it.
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Just now, Snappysnackcakes said:
Yes it IS a bad defensive call.
Tell me why. What schematically or situationally made it a bad call?
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4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Blitz really hadn’t been working the whole game. And even when they weren’t blitzing they were rushing too deep and Russ was resetting or scrambling. The pressure concepts were not well schemed or executed last night.We didn’t really blitz a ton in the game. It was a lot of 4 man rushes with poor lane integrity. However the way I see it you had two options. Pressure and hope to get home again or rush four and sit back and play coverage. They were out of field goal range so they had to run some type of drop back concept and they did, 3 verts. Taron got beat at the collision point playing catch man and Russ under threw the crap out of the ball because of the pressure. It happens, but that doesn’t make it a bad call.
15 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:I'm curious if calling back to back all out blitzes normally results in giving up a big gain on the 2nd play. My guess is that it would, but i have no data to back that up
Couldn’t tell you, but I do know that usually when you don’t give a quarterback a lot of time to make a decision good things usually happen. This time it didn’t. That’s football.
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23 minutes ago, theRalph said:
Though the offensive woes have been chronic, they haven't moved the needle as seismically as 12-men-on-the-field debacle. I'm wondering if Dorsey still has a job had the wide-right stood putting the Bills at 6-4.
Dorsey failed when he lost the personnel —Dawson Knox—he needed for 12-personnel. Knox's injury vs. Jaguars started the crappy offensive trend (Knox played two more games but wasn't effective (see the 4th down drop vs. Pats)). Dorsey couldn't adapt to an 11-personnel approach, only being able to muster a predictable 2 X 2 motionless formation.
But none of that has a thing to do with 12 men. Hmmm.
I honestly don’t think he would be. I saw a team who had totally lost faith in their play caller last night. Guys didn’t play hard, there was no fire, it was sloppy across the board. At one point in the 4th Q at around the 13 minute mark on the 3 and 8 Josh threw into coverage trying to hit Gabe on the single side again you could see Stef and Josh in the huddle and Josh telling him “trust me”. Something else was said and Josh waved Stef off and said “trust me” again. You can see it all from the broadcast view. Not sure what it was about but Stefan’s face said everything.
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2 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said:
This ain’t a video game. It’s called strategy, muscle memory, tendencies, familiarity, and, most importantly- EXPERIENCE! Sean was outsmarted by a cagey vet and one of the best HC’s of our generation. If you cannot see this as, at minimum, a possibility, I can’t help you. In short, we gave them a mulligan and ate a big dic* at the end of the game.
Other than the result you still haven’t explained why it was a bad call. If you’re going to make such a bold statement then back it up! How was McDermott outsmarted?
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
“Fire Frazier for sitting in soft zones. We need to blitz more.”
”Not like that!!!!”
This place man. I tell you what lol.
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1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said:
How about the results? Dude, really? Is this McDermott? Was trying to be succinct, but this staff has the franchise on a collision course to immediate mediocrity. Daboll at the end of the Giants/Bills game? Sean’s created a toxic culture and it was on full display after the whistle blew. Had they squirreled out a W last night, which one of us would still, with confidence, profess that all is right in the world? Lest you not forget, Any Reid fired Sean in Philly, too. I’m flawed, you’re flawed, and, clearly Sean’s taken this QB and team as far as he can. So
stop trolling with the nonsense, rhetorical questions, please.
They aren’t rhetorical. I genuinely wanted an answer, and the answer I got was basically “hindsight is 20/20”. Just because the outcome wasn’t what we wanted doesn't make it a bad call.
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7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
If Taron doesn't interfere with Jeudy is it a bad call?
Gotta ask @Snappysnackcakes 🤷♂️
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1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said:
Yes, just with a positive result.
What makes it a terrible call?
1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said:Jeez. Dude. It was a terrible and redundant call.
Why?
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If we get a second sack is it a terrible call?
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11 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said:
Bad decision by Allen on the Harty int, but the play call was worse, especially for the game situation.
Bills had the ball with 45 seconds left and no TOs. They were trying to drive for points. In that situation a chunk play to the sideline is the way to go. Gain yards early and kill the clock.
With that in mind, Denver was playing dime or dollar coverage; a bunch of DBs, off the ball.
Knowing all of this, Dorsey called a smash (hi-lo) concept, which is a cover 2 beater, almost the same call as the pick last week.
So the slot receiver, the low, guy runs an out, to draw the CB in. Problem is , with 45 seconds left, the CB doesn't give a s### about the short route, so he hangs back.
The high receiver Harty, is supposed to be in the gap caused by the CB drawn in, but there is no gap. And to make matters worse, this route is usually a go, route, giving the option for the WR to beat the deeper coverage, but Dorsey turned this route into an out, which drew the high and low DBs to Harty, plus an additional DB, because Denver wasn't defending this cover 2 beater with a cover 2 defense.
So, no doubt Allen made a poor decision, but Dorsey couldn't have called a worse play to gain yards on the sideline at that point in the game.
And that sums up the Dorsey era. The QB making too many bad decisions in too many poorly called plays.
It wasn’t a Smash concept - it was just a deep out vs. Quarters coverage. Any out or comeback is a Quarters beater. The route to the flat was just a delayed check-down not meant to pull coverage.
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1 hour ago, Jukester said:
Any insight on his philosophy, coahing style, etc... welcome. Or he is just going to be a McD puppet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Brady_(American_football_coach)
Coaching career
New Orleans Saints
In 2017, Brady was hired by the New Orleans Saints as an offensive assistant under head coach Sean Payton.
LSU
In 2019, Brady joined head coach Ed Orgeron and the LSU Tigers as their passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach.[1][2] Recognized as the top assistant coach during the 2019 college football season, Brady was honored with the 24th annual Broyles Award.[5] Subsequently, he emerged as a leading candidate for numerous offensive coordinator vacancies in the NFL,[6][7] but eventually agreed to a three-year contract extension with LSU.[8]
Carolina Panthers
On January 16, 2020, Brady was hired by the Carolina Panthers as their offensive coordinator under head coach Matt Rhule.[9] The Panthers were selected to coach in the 2021 Senior Bowl, but Brady missed the game due to COVID-19 protocols.[10] On December 5, 2021, Brady was fired by the Panthers.[11]
Buffalo Bills
On February 4, 2022, Brady was hired by the Buffalo Bills as their quarterbacks coach, replacing Ken Dorsey after his promotion to offensive coordinator. After Dorsey's mid-season firing in the 2023 season, Brady was promoted to interim offensive coordinator.[12]
Nothing will be different from a scheme standpoint. He's going to run Dorsey's (Daboll's) offense the remainder of the season. Like I said in the other thread - hopefully the players respond to a different voice in the room.
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1 hour ago, boyst said:
Big question mark on why the change came now before this stretch.
Indictment of McChump
What did we see yesterday that was so much different than the other games? If anything he called a better game last night. Now heading into when it matters most, against our hardest stretch he put so much of task ahead of us that it is damn near impossible to recover.
This is poor management. The writing didn't just appear to fire him - it should have been done weeks ago if it was potential.
The players stopped playing for him. That's the difference. By and large I don't think his play calling has been terrible. He hasn't gotten his players to execute his plan - that's the issue.
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11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Ha, fair enough. I was focused on the originally bolded parts of "and he kept hammering those same calls every game! He was incapable of self-evaluating and saying "well this play hasn't worked for the guys on the field""
All good. Just trying to help this place be objective instead jumping to conclusions and running with them. Can't wait to share this full season run game breakdown as there's a ton of misinformation floating around this place lately in regards to that.
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42 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
I'm not going to pretend that the players aren't without some blame here, but to me it's tiny in comparison to the coaching staff.
A not insignificant amount of Dorsey's playcalls never worked, and he kept hammering those same calls every game! He was incapable of self-evaluating and saying "well this play hasn't worked for the guys on the field". Maybe the plays are awesome for a different set of players or a different QB, I don't know, but I do know that Josh has had similar interceptions for the past few games in a row and Dorsey would stubbornly go right back to them. It's beyond frustrating.Allen's "I'm executing the plays as called" is very telling.
@DrDawkinstein I must be a terrible reader.
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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:
I mean, look at what a joke "mesh" has become even among the Cover1 analysts that it's a huge deal when it actually manages to work (against a crappy Tampa Bay Defense). Yet we still force it. With more horrible results last night.
For examples beyond that, you're more qualified to find them than anyone else here so it shouldnt be too hard.
I know what the concepts are that we've thrown interceptions on and they're all different. The only similarity is the area in which the interception occurred. People like to throw around statements on here as if they're fact, but when asked to back those statements up can't - or are unwilling to. There's so much misinformation on this board because people just see something and run with it whether it's true or not.
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17 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
He called a high-low concept where a WR runs an out to the sideline like 15 yards down the field and another WR or TE runs an out 5 yards down the field.
It makes the DB have to choose to cover one of them and Allen is supposed to throw to the other one. They run it like 5 times a game and it has led to a bunch of INTs. I think defenses have figured it out.
The defense was in Quarters coverage - Allen isn't reading the DB to determine which throw to make on that play. Outs/Comebacks vs. Quarters coverage is the Quarters beater - you can't throw low and inside. That wasn't a scheme/Dorsey issue - it was a Josh issue.
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4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
Cover1 can do a much better job of showing it than I could describe, and I'd encourage you to check them out.
So that's kind of my point. They haven't been the same concepts. Nor have they all occurred vs the same coverage.
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5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
I'm not going to pretend that the players aren't without some blame here, but to me it's tiny in comparison to the coaching staff.
A not insignificant amount of Dorsey's playcalls never worked, and he kept hammering those same calls every game! He was incapable of self-evaluating and saying "well this play hasn't worked for the guys on the field". Maybe the plays are awesome for a different set of players or a different QB, I don't know, but I do know that Josh has had similar interceptions for the past few games in a row and Dorsey would stubbornly go right back to them. It's beyond frustrating.Allen's "I'm executing the plays as called" is very telling.
Which ones? I'm genuinely asking.
Second blitz at end of game
in The Stadium Wall
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But he didn’t… because there wasn’t time. Buddy couldn’t even step into the 30 yard rainbow he threw.